6940Re: [eckankartruth] Re: Whoa
- Jan 6, 2008Are there any other spiritual paths that are much better than Eck? I was looking into Zen, kabbalah, yogananda, skirpal singh, beas/sat mant to start. Or are all these BS?ThanksL
colleen <colleenmft@...> wrote:Gail left, from what I understand, around the time
that Darwin was booted out (or some time before).
Others here probably have all the information
I was the CA RESA too, years ago, and I knew Don Ginn.
I wish both Linda and Don my best wishes in
discovering themselves and developing their own lives,
free from dogma.
--- Leanne Thompson <le_anne_thompson@ yahoo.com>
> I found out that linda is the CA resa and don ginn
> stpped aside. BTW, where is Gail twitchell and did
> she bail out as well?
> colleen <colleenmft@yahoo. com> wrote:
> Hi Tygerpurr...
> As you have experienced, cults can cause great harm
> relationships and families when members and leaders
> view themselves as the "chosen ones", more
> enlightened, superior, or "spiritually aware", etc.
> than those outside the group.
> The man who recruited me when I was 19 was the man I
> later married. When I filed for a divorce, I also
> made the decision to become "inactive" in Eckankar
> that I could determine how I could live on my own,
> without my first husband and away from the day to
> activities that had become my life for 7 years.
> later I stopped paying membership. I didn't have any
> other family members who were involved and this
> certainly made it easier for me in some ways. As I
> began to become psychologically free from my
> dependence to the "master" and the deception in
> Eckankar, I was able to relate more genuinely and
> maturely to my family of origin and extended family
> members. When I perceived myself and others as more
> fully human, with all our complexities and
> imperfections, I was able to become more closely
> It is a loss when one isn't able to have the loving,
> supportive, and accepting relationship with one's
> family that one desires.
> I've known people who have distanced themselves from
> family members still involved in the cult. They try
> in various ways to connect, be seen as who they are,
> and respected, but this may fail to a great degree.
> So, they may spend less time with family members and
> accept that communication will be superficial and
> hopefully courteous. Cultivating a close, intimate
> (not necessary sexual) relationship with someone
> can be a fulfilling alternative. Perhaps some day
> family members will leave Eckankar as you did and
> can have more in common.
> > Colleen, do you have any suggestions on how to
> > with long time
> > eckists in your family who lie to you or won't
> > to you in an
> > honest way? Maybe this is typical of the cult
> > mentality and lack of
> > authentic emotion. I saw something funny on that
> > sitcom The Office
> > where one of the office staff was admiting to
> > both a cult leader
> > and a cult member at various times. Anyway, I
> > be interested in
> > your opinion on how to deal with long time eck
> > members. Sometimes they
> > are also prone to jump from one cult to another.
> > Tygerpurr ; )
> > --- In eckankartruth@ yahoogroups. com, tygerpurr
> > <no_reply@.. .> wrote:
> > >
> > >Re: Whoa!!!
> > Hi Colleen,
> > I feel the same way about an eck "friend" that I
> > still come in contact
> > with once in a while. Yes I feel sad and even a
> > little freaked that
> > this person carries around a picture of Harold
> > Klemp. Now they
> > consider eckankar to be a religion and even talk
> > about going to
> > "church", even though Twitchell went out of his
> > to say that
> > eckankar wasn't a religion, blah, blah.
> > I keep hoping that this person will wake up and at
> > least join a group
> > that isn't so Authoritarian and Hierarchical, but
> > after 35 or so
> > years, is there still hope? I guess it has
> > to do with
> > believing that they are some how Special and that
> > all other religions
> > are inferior. THis person is very anxiety prone
> > fears being alone
> > a great deal. It can be difficult to make the leap
> > away from this
> > "deceptive ideology". Maybe it is like a really
> > and abusive
> > relationship, where the person involved still
> > to believe that
> > the abuser is good and they blame themselves if
> > anything goes wrong.
> > It is really tragic. Usually, when I am with this
> > person I don't
> > discuss eckanakr directly, but talk in more
> > terms about the
> > problems of blind faith in an Authoritarian
> > and the problems
> > with absolutist dogma. Still, it seems to fall on
> > deaf ears. THey only
> > see and hear what they want to.
> > I was a member of eckankar for a shorter period of
> > time than you, but
> > it continued to affect me through family members,
> > etc. I never was
> > really in a position of authority in eckankar. I
> > always asked too many
> > questions. This is a good place to start for any
> > eckist wanting to
> > separate from eckankar, imho. They will start
> > pushing you out the
> > door. LOL But then it is probably a good idea to
> > have some kind of
> > back up or support to make the transition easier.
> > Tygerpurr ; )
> > --- In eckankartruth@ yahoogroups. com, colleen
> > <colleenmft@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > Re: [eckankartruth] Re: Whoa!!!
> > Leanne,
> > It's very interesting that my then husband and I
> > were
> > their role-models during the early years of
> > Eckankar.
> > I became inactive after 7 years....they continued.
> > My
> > guess is that what they've told you fits into the
> > mythic ideology of eckankar in that the chanting
> > supposedly helps one burn off karma and if someone
> > does a lot, there's a huge amount that could be
> > unmanageable. My dear old friends sound to me as
> > though they've lost their own critical thinking
> > skills. I'm saddened that they're still involved
> > what I consider a deceptive ideology.
> > Colleen
> > --- Leanne Thompson <le_anne_thompson@ ...>
> > wrote:
> > > Yep Thats them. If I hu for 2+ hours in a day my
> > > karma would get very large or I would make life
> > very
> > > miserable for myself. I thought it was just a
> > > song to God so no harm in doing it.
> > >
> > > Leanne
> > >
> > > Colleen Russell <colleenmft@ ...> wrote:
> > > Hello Leanne,
> > >
> > > I knew Ron and Linda Lavaneri very well years
> > > when I was a Mahdis
> > > in LA. Are you referring to them? Could you
> > explain
> > > what you said
> > > they told you about chanting hu? I'm curious.
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