6130Repost from ESA
- Jun 5 5:17 AM(I'm going to repost this ESA post to ET)
> Message: 1Readings are no longer given because back when Twitch
> Date: Sun Jun 4, 2006 12:59 pm (PDT)
> From: "kaye" eyesopen444@...
> Subject: Re: Random Thoughts on Ekult
> Hi Everyone,
> HK claims to be a prophet and the highest
> spiritual manifestation on earth. If this is true,
> then why are Eck-Vidya readings or, at least,
> predictions, no longer given. There are talented,
> humble people who make no such lofty claims, but are
> able to assist people, the police and healthcare
> practitioners in the service of mankind.
was doing it, people started comparing their readings
and discovered he was giving the same readings to many
people!! It may be in "Wisdom Notes" that he ranted
about this, said there were "reasons" for the
duplicate readings that lowly chelas couldn't
understand, and bitched that surely Edgar Cayce
must've messed up a few times, too!
The "Eck Vidya" is meaningless bullshit - Twitch just
made it all up because he needed his own version
"higher" version of astrology to sell.
Twitch also used to claim he was a healer, and
accepted "donations" for healings. One very sad story
was revealed at a.r.e., when a woman whose mother died
of breast cancer because she believed Twitch would
heal her got on the internet and landed at a.r.e. Her
mother hadn't told her family she had breast cancer
because she believed in the Twitchster, and she died
while this woman was away at college. The family knew
nothing until they found the letters from Twitch after
Here's a link to the archived posts:
I especially "loved" the response from "Jackie the
Friendly Eckist" - a perfect example of e-kult's
"detachment", don't you think?
I can't tell you how many times over the years I'd
read something Harold had written that was *so*
unloving...actually, quite often I'd think that quite
obviously he was a Republican <gg>...gawd, can't
believe it bothered me so much that I wasn't able to
stifle *caring* about people and become a properly
It's strange looking back at a.r.e. - like the post
from eckist "Glen" that turned up in that thread where
"One of them is a lady who claims to have been an
ex-Eckist. Her name is
Sharon Comstock. She has posted several thousand posts
here in the last 9
months with 2-3 different addresses, but you can
always tell a Sharon
post. It says a little bit about a ton of stuff, but
says nothing of
substance about anything. By all means read all of her
stuff, if you have
the time. But be aware that she is the only person
here who knows for sure
if she ever was an Eckist. And at times she is not
always clear on that
This is a hoot, and shows just how lying & deceptive
cult members can be - following the example of their
phony "masters"!! Glen and I "knew" each other when
I was an eckist, and we were both part of the
behind-the-scenes "EckGestapo". When I first went to
a.r.e. as an eckist, Glen's hateful posts really
bothered me, and it *also* bothered me that I had such
"negative" feelings about another eckist and what he
was doing, so I wrote to him honestly about it to try
to understand, and we had quite a discussion about it.
Glen was a teacher in Canada, and he stopped posting
at a.r.e. after a "detractor" using the name
"Revealer" (and thank you always, Rev, if you're still
out there!!) threatened to do to Glen what a.r.e.
eckists so often do - in this case, inform the
Canadian govt. that one of their teachers perhaps
wasn't fit to be teaching children. I was still
"officially" an eckist and chatting with Glen
privately - he told me he'd made the mistake of using
the same email address for a.r.e. that he was using to
apply for financial aid for grad school!!
Kaye, you're *so* right about the difference you've
seen in other spiritual groups!!! Ekult isn't about
love, it's about recruiting new marks!!
I used to read the beautiful and uplifting testimonies
in "Guideposts" and tell myself it was really "the
eck" but those poor Christians just weren't "ready" to
"know" that yet. But, like everything else, ekult's
got it all *backwards*! Earth isn't perfect, but
it's certainly *not* the ashcan of the universe,
filled with depressed & unhappy non-eckists. Millions
and millions of non-eckists find a hell of a lot more
spiritual fulfillment and true "connection" with
God/Spirit than many eckists can only dream about, but
never achieve, simply because they're following a
phony path that's focused on profit, not love.
You know, this really isn't that bad - after some
years "off" I'm trying to slowly work myself back into
"detractor mode". <gg> I sort of had to turn myself
off for awhile, and just not think about all the pain
ekult causes innocent people.
> Message: 2So true!!!! I could have overlooked the plagiarism,
> Date: Mon Jun 5, 2006 1:45 am (PDT)
> From: "Freefrom" eckchains@...
> Subject: Re: Random Thoughts on Ekult
> Hi Kaye,
> I found your post to be very touching. So
> much of eckankult
> was all about this eck detached love, certainly
> devoid of feelings and
> therefore compasion and empathy. Eckankar is an
> egocentric religion.
> Quite often, I find myself overlooking a theology or
> viewpoint that I may disagree with when I observe
> that the people
> involved have heart. Actions speak louder than
seriously...what *really* did me in and woke me up was
seeing the vicious hatefulness in other eckists,
especially the HIs, and then seeing how this came
straight from the LEMs and the "teachings".
This is one area
> that is a crossover for all the external trappiingsIt's really only a small handful, and it's just
> and dogma that are
> on the surface. I rarely see this in eckankar
> though. This world is
> just an "ash can" and the goal is to escape it,
> according to eck
> doctrin as stated by Klemp and the other fake
> "masters". Sometimes I
> see this exhibited in the ex-eckists who complain
> about those who
> suposedly don't "move on, or forward".
because they've been so indoctrinated by the eckancrap
about the horrible repercussions for speaking against
"the master", and the silly belief that everyone's
exactly where they should be, etc. They just need
more time and "un-brainwashing".
I had one former eckist write to me some years ago
about that "moving on" nonsense. This one said they'd
left the cult because they felt they needed to explore
& experience some non-eckstuff, but they'd probably
return when they were "ready", and in the meantime,
they were still "recruiting", telling people who were
interested in new-age stuff to look into it, with
their highest recommendations!
It's like, so many current members will ask "What's
next?" and "Where do you go after eckankar?" They
don't understand...they can't even imagine not
following someone, something...not "belonging" and
"believing" in something, not having someone tell them
what to think and what to do...they have no concept of
freedom, of being your own "shepherd" and not just one
of the sheep.
The Holocaust? Well...we all know what the cult
teaches about *that*, don't we? All those massacred
millions *deserved* it, they needed it for karma
balancing, etc. Those poor Lords of Karma were
evidently having a hard time doing their job with
individual people, so they took care of it with a big
The cult's karma teachings are just another trap, and
leave absolutely *no* room for learning and growing
through experience, or for forgiveness. I think
perhaps eckists tend to focus on how karma affects
them personally, as an ecksplanation for shitty things
that happen to them, and maybe "good" things too.
Like, instead of being grateful for any blessings in
their lives, they often arrogantly congratulate
themselves for being such wonderful "souls" that they
deserve whatever they've got; they've earned it!
There's just no room in the "teachings" for love and
forgiveness. An example in my own life, from a very
young age, I hardly ever took personal offense and
held on to "grudges", etc. Life's too short, you
know? And as the years passed and I "learned" about
karma and reincarnation, I got "better" at this - not
only did I do my best to not do anything that I'd have
to come back & "pay off", but I didn't want to come
back because someone owed me something, either!!!
I wonder what
> they would sayYou *know* what they say!! All the victims should
> about Hitler and the Holocaust and the movie
> Schindler's List, etc..
shut up and be grateful!!
> There are a lot of people who aggressively attemptI couldn't put my finger on it at the time, but many
> to educate each new
> generation about the good and the bad in history.
> They want the truth
> to be told, and in some ways, it is a good thing to
> NOT forget certain
> atrocities, yet we can heal from and learn from
> these experiences.
> THere is a fundamentalism, both in organized
> religion and some of the
> New Age religions that puts a guilt trip on those
> who would attempt to
> learn and grow from their experiences, and then to
> pass this learning
> on to others, especially the youth. What eckankar
> does to their youth,
> just encourages denial and delusion, IMHO.
of the things aimed at eckyouth disturbed me. Now,
children need to develop good healthy self-esteem, but
is it good for kids to think they're some kind of
"masters"? How often do the "teachings" say that
kids may be higher "spiritually" than adults?
I know of one whose wacko eckmother raised him to
believe he'd been a "master" in past lives and would
probably be one in this one too. Even though he was
never an eckist, it didn't appeal to him even as a
child, this nonsense affected him by giving him a
false feeling of superiority although this mostly
works unconsciously. It seems to me that this young
man somehow felt unable to live up to what he'd been
told he was in past lives, and quite realistically
didn't think he could do it in this life either, and
the end result is a young man who's mostly totally
clueless about normal life on earth, having "normal"
dreams and aspirations and goals, and doing what it
takes to achieve them.
Laughing here, though...I *loved* the "Tattooed
Stranger" story and I *do* believe and love stuff like
that! But since I've gotten out of eckanlalaland I'm
more realistic, and often even cynical.
Well, some years back there was a guy out on the
streets with a "Will Work For Food" sign. And the
local newspaper interviewed him and ran a big
sob-story about how he was just trying to take care of
his family. So, one day my young son & I drove by,
and traffic was heavy so it took awhile for me to get
turned around and come back for him. Now, I never had
much money but I was real good at adding more water to
the soup, and there was always room in my home for
people who didn't have a roof over their heads. When
my son was little, I couldn't work for several years
because of a back injury, so I had to be very
creative. I was also good at finding jobs for people,
friends did construction work and could always give
someone a job, even if it was only for a week or so.
So, I stopped and told this man I could really use
some help with some yardwork, and I had a big pot of
spaghetti on the stove. He said most people just gave
him money. I told him I didn't have any. So he said
thanks, but no thanks.
A few days later, my son-in-law told me this guy had
been in the bar, laughing and throwing around his
money, telling everyone how easy and lucrative it was
to stand on the side of the road with your hand out.
Well, what can you do? There are many dishonest
people out there - like, I saw a news report about
some local people who ran down to LA after Katrina and
got money by claiming to be victims. And the local
head of the Make-A-Wish Foundation was arrested for
stealing thousands of dollars donated to help
terminally ill children.
When I picked up that first eckbook at the library,
some of the things I read seemed pretty far-fetched,
but it just didn't occur to me that someone would
deliberately lie, especially about God!! At first I
was just curious, I wasn't "committed" or anything, I
just wanted to learn more. The books said check it
out, try it for yourself...I didn't realize, that's
how it works. Slowly and subtly. Before I knew it, I
was hooked, I "believed".
I remember specifically one thing I read, I forget
where, Twitch was ranting about how the whole universe
had been against "the eck" since the beginning of time
and all the kal-forces were working to destroy it,
etc. I though it was ridiculous and a bit paranoid -
at the time, I didn't realize that when Twitch was
starting his little racket, he'd studied a lot of
cults and religions and their tactics (and he admits
this in LC and other places) so he knew that
eventually he'd have to deal with defectors...he
prepared for it ahead of time by incorporating all
those dire threats into the "teachings" to discredit
former members and hopefully at least keep them silent
when they woke up and got out!!
One thing that sort of "bugs" me about many former
members is how they'll blame everything on Klemp and
still think Twitch was something "special". Sometimes
they think Darwin was legit, too. They fail to see
how Klemp is purely a creature of the Twitch, a total
& "perfect" example of cultic indoctrination!!!
You know, I hadn't even looked at a.r.e. since roughly
February, and hadn't been paying much attention to it
for quite awhile before that. Well, I recently
learned that Google emails usenet posts, so I signed
up. Oh horrors, I've only read *one* daily digest,
and there's Clergyboy Rich Smith being deceptive as
Yep, there are people out there working hard to
convince the world that the Holocaust didn't happen.
Enough of a ramble for now!! Have a great week,
Don't be deceived by a seemingly innocent program on "Spiritual Dreams" or "Past Lives" at your local library or community center! It's one of many ways Eckankar and other cults recruit new members. Learn the truth before you sign over your mind, heart, soul, and life insurance!! See a short intro video at: http://tinyurl.com/hw7p7 and check out the links at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eckankartruth
- Next post in topic >>