5775Re: why i left ekult
- Mar 2, 2006Sharon,
You don't need to write a book....you've said everything you've had
Who else in the world can write about wheat allergies, divorce and
Eckankar in one missive. You should get your own talk show.
--- In email@example.com, "Sharon" <brighttigress@...>
> (Sorry, typed this up yesterday morning but didn't get it sent!)
> Hi Kaye!
> Thanks for sharing your story, and welcome!
> I found it rather revealing that after you resigned and confirmed
> resignation by signing & returning their letter, they sent you ayou?
> threat-filled "Mystic World". Did they do this because they love
> I think not.to
> I didn't get a Mystic World, but my "sign & return" letter wanted
> make sure I knew that I was doing, that I would lose all mymind.
> initiations and have to start at the beginning if I changed my
> Furthermore, I would not be allowed to re-join for six months.of
> They didn't ask why I was leaving. They didn't have to. In spite
> what the eckthugs say, MN most certainly *does* monitor a.r.e.some
> You know, sometimes it's very difficult for me to remember that
> Klemp's a victim, too. But, we all have to be responsible for our
> choices - and Klemp made some bad ones. When he became LEM and set
> people to work looking into the plagiarism, and even discovered
> plagiarism that still hasn't been exposed, he could have beenhonest
> about it. But he wasn't. He chose to continue the lies, and eventhreats.
> added to them. He tightened the control. He increased the
> He focused more on what would maintain & increase the numbers ofI
> members & donations.
> For example, what I think of as the "Club Med" letter in the Mystic
> World years back. He told people to cut down on the bed-hopping at
> seminars because it gave potential new recruits a bad impression!!
> wondered why he didn't say anything "spiritual" - maybe a few wordsthe
> about the "spiritual aspects of sexuality, how the *outer* is a
> manifestation of the "inner", how Maybury's Laws apply. Now, I
> don't really remember the timing - since I didn't socialize with
> local ecksts I missed a lot, so by the time I read what Klemp hadto
> say about his divorce & remarriage it was probably old news.Isn't
> it a bit ironic that while Klemp was bitching about seminar-cult
> bedhopping, it might have been when he was still married to #1 but
> carrying on rather openly with his secretary/mistress, including
> traveling with her to seminars?
> Have to laugh, actually. When I joined, although I'd had a pre-
> dream "ecksperience" with Klemp that certainly seemed to "prove"that
> the "teachings" were true, I had "doubts" - my intent wasoriginally
> just what the books said - prove it to yourself, and learn neathigh-
> holey secret stuff on the "inner" as well as the "outer" by signingup
> & studying the discourses, etc. I *will* say one thing - yep,way
> eventually all my questions were answered. Unfortunately, not the
> the cult planned. When I got answers to all those questions I'dsort
> of kept filed away, I left! The answers were all the same -eckankar
> was b.s., and even worse than b.s.!basically
> Arrrghhh, just realized I'm doing it again, "yakking" with
> the same-old, same-old that I've typed umpteen million times sincebe
> I've left but as usual, not typing it for a new website so I never
> ever have to do it again, and if necessary and if I have something
> relevant to say, I can simply direct people to the URL. I want to
> a "Silent One"! And I'm laughing here again, my inner 11-year-old-
> boy always flashed to "Silent But Deadly" whenever they wereold,
> mentioned. Hmmm....you know, maybe it wasn't my inner 11-year-
> maybe that was the true "inner master"? <gg>highly
> Anyway, while I'm here, a few odds & ends. First of all, I
> recommend a free e-book by a former Amway "high initiate". And Iimmune
> sincerely apologize to all those innocent victims I judged a bit
> harshly when I first saw Amway on cult lists. I was basically
> to all that MLM recruiting nonsense because my mother went from oneto
> another, and I figured that anyone with the least bit of commonsense
> could see them for what they are. I joined a few to help mymother,
> but they were simply part-time jobs - I'd go do my parties, andthat
> was it. I didn't get nutsy about them. I had *no* interest injunk
> recruiting or doing anything more than a party or two every week or
> so, because I could see that the more involved you got, the more
> got piled up in your home, and any profits would go right back tothe
> So, head over to: http://merchantsofdeception.com and download the
> book!! And if anyone out there has WebTV and can't use Adobe to
> read .pdf documents, I saved a copy in plain text so drop me a line
> I'll send it to you.about
> Although this book is useful to help former eckists learn more
> how cults work, I think it's also great for current eckists - theycan
> read it "detached" without having those cult-implanted mind-stoppers
> kick in, and perhaps in time things will "click" and they'll seehow
> e-kult is no different.for
> Sort of ironic - a couple years ago I saw a little counter display
> "Seasilver", a liquid product that claimed to contain *all*nutrients
> known to man. Well, that's what I'd been looking for!!! Thehonestly
> clerk and her family used it and swore by it, especially for
> allergies. So I contacted the distributor & got some, can't
> say whether or not it really did do anything but it seemed to. Iproduct,
> started "sharing" it simply because I thought it was a good
> but one *huge* problem was the promotional literature - you know,the
> usual "cures cancer & saved my life!" stuff. You know, whenyou've
> got a genuinely good product you don't need all that ridiculousit
> "hype". If I gave someone a brochure, I felt embarrased - I told
> people to ignore the b.s.
> Well, very shortly afterwards, the FDA (or whoever) shut them down -
> the stuff supposedly had a cranberry juice base, but it turned out
> didn't - it contained artificial cranberry flavoring. Can younecessary,
> imagine?? This was a *huge* lie!!!! And it wasn't even
> you know? But what was *more* amazing was the b.s. from thetop!
> Honestly, the head of the company went on & on about governmentwas
> persecution, and even said that he was on a mission from God, God
> on his side, Seasilver would "come back" bigger & better than ever,the
> and everyone would get rich & live forever. Not one word about
> fact that Seasilver claimed to contain cranberry juice, butdidn't.
> What was even *more* amazing, I was on a little email list for mybut
> "sponsor's" distributor group - neither he nor anyone else said
> anything, asked questions - nothing!!!!
> Anyone who knows me, well.....<ggg>.... I posted something like -
> there's no cranberry juice in it!!!the
> I got *one* private email from someone asking me what I think they
> should do. Duh.
> Anyway, I just now did a quickie search on "Seasilver" - now, why
> heck didn't I do that to begin with? In spite of everything, Iguess
> I'm always going to be trusting, and start out assuming thateveryone
> else is basically honest, just like me.kids,
> Okay, while we're on the subject of health - Hi Mike!!! I could
> really get into chatting about food & health!! I've seen recent
> statistics that disturbed me a bit - how veggies don't contain the
> vitamins they had 50 years ago. Understandable - I've always been
> "into" organic gardening. A veggie can't contain nutrients that
> aren't in the soil they grow in. And vitamin levels in little
> I think what I read said 5 year olds, are way down. On the otherfood
> hand, over the years I've known a lot of people who live on junk
> & white bread, etc., and they're a heck of a lot healthier thansome
> lifelong "health food nuts" I've known!!all.
> Different people have different nutritional requirements, that's
> I happen to be allergic to wheat, which is sort of okay because Ias a
> never really liked to eat bread and pasta. Probably because even
> kid, on some level I recognized I didn't feel good when I atethem.
> Makes sense, huh? <gg> Anyway, rather recently I've been eatinga
> lot more bread than usual since I discovered a half-pricePepperidge
> Farm rack at a local grocery store!! <gg> I've sort of beenslices
> "binging" - which for me means eating a whole mini-bagel or two
> of bread. Especially the cinnamon-raisin varieties. I canhandle
> half a mini-bagel or one slice of bread okay, but anything moremakes
> me feel like crap. But that's just me. My system does best ongood
> old all-American red meat, especially fresh & raw.in
> Anyway, a friend has been telling me how good sunflower seeds are
> chicken salad and oatmeal, to mention just two, for a long time.And
> although I almost always have my jar of sunflower seeds handy - Inever
> refill it with less expensive no-additives bagged seeds - I just
> thought to try her suggestions until a couple of days ago, when Iwere
> remembered and tossed some into my chicken salad. Ohmigod, they
> *so* good I added a lot more, and can't wait to try them in mynever
> oatmeal!!!! Try it, everyone!!!!
> Okay....on to something else now. I'm doing this here or it'll
> get done - darn, right now, to be honest I don't remember if I'dfigure
> posted at ESA or "Chains" last week, and had started on another one
> but never finished & posted it - so I'll just be brief here, I
> everyone here reads the other groups too - the possibility of Joanjust
> becoming the FLEM (thanks for that one, Liz, it's even funner than
> TWOT!!) was being discussed. Actually Gail was the first FLEM,
> not "official". It's going to be interesting watching thesituation
> & what happens in the future.the
> You know, this could end up with history repeating itself! Will
> time come when Harold is no longer able to handle the FLEM's mightywith a
> power flows, just like Mrs. Klemp couldn't handle his? <gg> Of
> course, it's highly unlikely that Harold is going to die in bed
> young hottie the way Twitch did, but maybe Joanie is alreadyscanning
> seminar crowds for her Darwin? Will she be handing him a blueare
> carnation one day?
> Mish, your noticing Klemp's mentioning Joan's appearing in members'
> dreams in the new "eckmasters" book, and thinking there's something
> more behind it, is *very* significant. I'm sure your instincts
> right on the mark, and I'm glad you mentioned it! I'vebeen "out"
> for a long time, and before that I was always "behind" with thebooks
> so I never saw much mention of her. Although way way back, I sawa
> video where he had laryngitis and had to whisper in her ear, andshe
> repeated it. At the time, I thought that was very sweet. Have toI
> laugh, though - when I found out about his ill health so long ago,
> was also told he was getting better. Sometimes there's just somuch
> "truth" in those little things we notice, even when they seemtotally
> insignificant. Like, the story I read where Klemp saidhe'd "heard"
> about his daughter's graduation. Heard??? You know, divorcemother,
> happens, and the sad truth is that a lot of men don't stay involved
> with their children when they're no longer sleeping with the
> and especially when they have to pay child support. On the otherabout
> hand, the reverse can be true - I know some totally awesome single
> dads, and "mothers" who just took off & dumped the kids, and I also
> know divorced couples who absolutely *despise* each other but still
> keep their children's welfare first and their personal feelings
> each other to themselves. But either way, that one word, "heard",new
> says a lot about the "Master of the Universe", doesn't it?
> Oh!!! Almost forgot - and to be honest, it may have been mentioned
> here and I may have missed it, but I recently "discovered" another
> Yahoo group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spiritualsurvivor/necessary.
> Although this one was started by a former eckist, I don't believe I
> even saw e-kult mentioned by name, and it's not at all
> So far it looks like a good group with *lots* of potential, and Igot
> very good feelings from it. Thanks, Ed, for starting it! I hopeout
> you get some members from the many other new-agey "master" cults
> there, many of which are so small you can't really find much infoon
> them, pro *or* con!in
> And everyone, I'd just like to remind you that I appreciate when
> people announce new groups & add them to the "links" here - except
> when it's those darned pesky "religious spammers", but I catch 'em
> "pending" so they don't get thru. At first I used to think theseawhile
> people had actually read a bit here at ET - for example, quite
> back one of them slipped past me because I'm interested in Nativeit
> American spirituality, but after trying to converse with the guy,
> was obvious he was just a spammer. I'd left the link here though,told
> but I'm pretty sure I removed it when recently a Native American
> me that this particular person/website was one of the manyphonies.
> You know, popping over to the other groups right now has made me
> that it's not just that I'm not really keeping up with reading mymy
> "daily digests", I don't think I've been getting them.
> And right now I've gone way beyond my daily eckstuff limit <gg> and
> mind is drifting far far away, so I'm going to close now. Andwant
> although I've been "Thinking Spring", tomorrow is March lst so I
> everyone to think "blizzard" - it'll be nice if March goes out likea
> lamb!!! Can't really complain, here in PA it hasn't really beena
> bad winter. Come to think of it, I don't think we got below zeroat
> all, which is unusual for where I live.Actually,
> And Kaye, thanks again for posting & sharing your story!!
> it reminded me of some things, I might end up posting some more
> another time.
> Bye everyone!! Have a good one!!!
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