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  • Steve Ellington
    I guess the $75 doesn t include support? Steve ... From: Ted Roycraft To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 11:29 AM Subject: Re:
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      I guess the $75 doesn't include support?

      Steve

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Ted Roycraft
      To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 11:29 AM
      Subject: Re: [dxatlas] CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own



      The same thing happens to me. Usually the jump is by 1KHz. It's not an
      LP-PAN problem because the frequency offset of PowerSDR/IF is not
      affected. I sent mail to VE3NEA about it a couple of months ago but
      never got a reply.

      73, Ted, W2ZK

      On 9/5/2010 10:44 PM, n4lq wrote:
      >
      > In the "settings" field for Audio IF, Hz, I normally have it set for
      > 1700 Hz. I'm using a K3, LP-PAN here.
      > Now and then I'll notice that the green arrow doesn't match the acutal
      > frequency (signals appear to be offset by 1700 hz) so I change the
      > Audio IF to 0 and all is well again. Usually, the next day when I boot
      > up, I'll have to change it back to 1700 Hz. This weird change happens
      > without me doing anything and I wonder if anyone else has experienced
      > this?
      >
      >

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    • K4IA@aol.com
      Happens here all the time. I never know what the offset will be when I turn it on and it almost always requires some fiddling. I m using an LpPan with the
      Message 2 of 28 , Sep 6, 2010
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        Happens here all the time. I never know what the offset will be when I
        turn it on and it almost always requires some fiddling. I'm using an LpPan
        with the k3.

        Buck
        k4ia


        In a message dated 9/6/2010 1:05:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
        n4lq@... writes:




        I shut the system down and rebooted everything last night and even waited
        10 minutes to power back on....Just in case. No change, my "Audio IF, Hz"
        Had to remain at 0 for the frequency to be correct.
        So this morning I fire everything back up and sure enough....Everything
        was off by 1700 HZ so I had to plug in 1700 to Audio IF. Nothing else had
        changed. It must be something between PSDR and Skimmer.
        SR is always turned off on PSDR but thanks for the tip.
        Steve

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Bill
        To: _dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com)

        Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 12:22 PM
        Subject: Re: [dxatlas] CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own

        Make sure you do NOT have PSDR 'SR' enabled.....
        that will create the offset.

        On 09/06/2010 10:29 AM, Ted Roycraft wrote:
        >
        > The same thing happens to me. Usually the jump is by 1KHz. It's not an
        > LP-PAN problem because the frequency offset of PowerSDR/IF is not
        > affected. I sent mail to VE3NEA about it a couple of months ago but
        > never got a reply.
        >
        > 73, Ted, W2ZK
        >
        > On 9/5/2010 10:44 PM, n4lq wrote:
        > >
        > > In the "settings" field for Audio IF, Hz, I normally have it set for
        > > 1700 Hz. I'm using a K3, LP-PAN here.
        > > Now and then I'll notice that the green arrow doesn't match the acutal
        > > frequency (signals appear to be offset by 1700 hz) so I change the
        > > Audio IF to 0 and all is well again. Usually, the next day when I boot
        > > up, I'll have to change it back to 1700 Hz. This weird change happens
        > > without me doing anything and I wonder if anyone else has experienced
        > > this?
        > >
        > >
        >
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        >
        >

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      • Steve Ellington
        I just got another clue....When I call CQ, Skimmer displays my call as a CQ find about 800hz below the green arrow. I think it s picking up some spur from the
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          I just got another clue....When I call CQ, Skimmer displays my call as a CQ find about 800hz below the green arrow. I think it's picking up some spur from the LP-PAN. I've always seen these on PSDR's scope but it didn't matter.....So when I was finished calling CQ, Skimmer was off frequency again by the usual 1700 Hz.
          When it's off like this, I can click the signal from PSDR thus tunining it in and on Skimmer I can see the code but it's way off frequency. Clicking on the code changes the K3 by 830 HZ and of course I loose the signal. So now I have to change the Audio IF back to 1700 HZ.
          So Skimmer must be reacting to that spur somehow.

          Steve

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Steve Ellington
          To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 1:05 PM
          Subject: Re: [dxatlas] CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own



          I shut the system down and rebooted everything last night and even waited 10 minutes to power back on....Just in case. No change, my "Audio IF, Hz" Had to remain at 0 for the frequency to be correct.
          So this morning I fire everything back up and sure enough....Everything was off by 1700 HZ so I had to plug in 1700 to Audio IF. Nothing else had changed. It must be something between PSDR and Skimmer.
          SR is always turned off on PSDR but thanks for the tip.
          Steve

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Bill
          To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 12:22 PM
          Subject: Re: [dxatlas] CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own

          Make sure you do NOT have PSDR 'SR' enabled.....
          that will create the offset.

          On 09/06/2010 10:29 AM, Ted Roycraft wrote:
          >
          > The same thing happens to me. Usually the jump is by 1KHz. It's not an
          > LP-PAN problem because the frequency offset of PowerSDR/IF is not
          > affected. I sent mail to VE3NEA about it a couple of months ago but
          > never got a reply.
          >
          > 73, Ted, W2ZK
          >
          > On 9/5/2010 10:44 PM, n4lq wrote:
          > >
          > > In the "settings" field for Audio IF, Hz, I normally have it set for
          > > 1700 Hz. I'm using a K3, LP-PAN here.
          > > Now and then I'll notice that the green arrow doesn't match the acutal
          > > frequency (signals appear to be offset by 1700 hz) so I change the
          > > Audio IF to 0 and all is well again. Usually, the next day when I boot
          > > up, I'll have to change it back to 1700 Hz. This weird change happens
          > > without me doing anything and I wonder if anyone else has experienced
          > > this?
          > >
          > >
          >
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          >
          >

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        • Ted Roycraft
          LP-PAN can t cause CWSkimmer s settings to change. It simply delivers an audio signal to CWSkimmer and I m pretty sure that CWSkimmer doesn t change its
          Message 4 of 28 , Sep 6, 2010
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            LP-PAN can't cause CWSkimmer's settings to change. It simply delivers
            an audio signal to CWSkimmer and I'm pretty sure that CWSkimmer doesn't
            change its settings based on audio content - not intentionally anyway.

            Ted, W2ZK

            On 9/6/2010 1:22 PM, Steve Ellington wrote:
            >
            > I just got another clue....When I call CQ, Skimmer displays my call as
            > a CQ find about 800hz below the green arrow. I think it's picking up
            > some spur from the LP-PAN. I've always seen these on PSDR's scope but
            > it didn't matter.....So when I was finished calling CQ, Skimmer was
            > off frequency again by the usual 1700 Hz.
            > When it's off like this, I can click the signal from PSDR thus
            > tunining it in and on Skimmer I can see the code but it's way off
            > frequency. Clicking on the code changes the K3 by 830 HZ and of course
            > I loose the signal. So now I have to change the Audio IF back to 1700 HZ.
            > So Skimmer must be reacting to that spur somehow.
            >
            > Steve
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: Steve Ellington
            > To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
            > <mailto:dxatlas_group%40yahoogroups.com>
            > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 1:05 PM
            > Subject: Re: [dxatlas] CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own
            >
            > I shut the system down and rebooted everything last night and even
            > waited 10 minutes to power back on....Just in case. No change, my
            > "Audio IF, Hz" Had to remain at 0 for the frequency to be correct.
            > So this morning I fire everything back up and sure
            > enough....Everything was off by 1700 HZ so I had to plug in 1700 to
            > Audio IF. Nothing else had changed. It must be something between PSDR
            > and Skimmer.
            > SR is always turned off on PSDR but thanks for the tip.
            > Steve
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: Bill
            > To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
            > <mailto:dxatlas_group%40yahoogroups.com>
            > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 12:22 PM
            > Subject: Re: [dxatlas] CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own
            >
            > Make sure you do NOT have PSDR 'SR' enabled.....
            > that will create the offset.
            >
            > On 09/06/2010 10:29 AM, Ted Roycraft wrote:
            > >
            > > The same thing happens to me. Usually the jump is by 1KHz. It's not an
            > > LP-PAN problem because the frequency offset of PowerSDR/IF is not
            > > affected. I sent mail to VE3NEA about it a couple of months ago but
            > > never got a reply.
            > >
            > > 73, Ted, W2ZK
            > >
            > > On 9/5/2010 10:44 PM, n4lq wrote:
            > > >
            > > > In the "settings" field for Audio IF, Hz, I normally have it set for
            > > > 1700 Hz. I'm using a K3, LP-PAN here.
            > > > Now and then I'll notice that the green arrow doesn't match the acutal
            > > > frequency (signals appear to be offset by 1700 hz) so I change the
            > > > Audio IF to 0 and all is well again. Usually, the next day when I boot
            > > > up, I'll have to change it back to 1700 Hz. This weird change happens
            > > > without me doing anything and I wonder if anyone else has experienced
            > > > this?
            > > >
            > > >
            > >
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            > >
            > >
            >
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          • Pete Smith
            Hi Steve - isn t this just a tad over the top? In the States, it s a long holiday weekend. I don t know if the same is true in Canada, but when you re
            Message 5 of 28 , Sep 6, 2010
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              Hi Steve - isn't this just a tad over the top? In the States, it's a
              long holiday weekend. I don't know if the same is true in Canada, but
              when you're dealing with a one-man outfit, and when it's a sideline
              business, you have to expect an occasional delay in response.

              73, Pete N4ZR

              The World Contest Station Database, updated daily at www.conteststations.com
              The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com,
              spots at telnet.reversebeacon.net, port 7000


              On 9/6/2010 1:07 PM, Steve Ellington wrote:
              > I guess the $75 doesn't include support?
              >
              > Steve
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: Ted Roycraft
              > To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 11:29 AM
              > Subject: Re: [dxatlas] CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own
              >
              >
              >
              > The same thing happens to me. Usually the jump is by 1KHz. It's not an
              > LP-PAN problem because the frequency offset of PowerSDR/IF is not
              > affected. I sent mail to VE3NEA about it a couple of months ago but
              > never got a reply.
              >
              > 73, Ted, W2ZK
              >
              > On 9/5/2010 10:44 PM, n4lq wrote:
              > >
              > > In the "settings" field for Audio IF, Hz, I normally have it set for
              > > 1700 Hz. I'm using a K3, LP-PAN here.
              > > Now and then I'll notice that the green arrow doesn't match the acutal
              > > frequency (signals appear to be offset by 1700 hz) so I change the
              > > Audio IF to 0 and all is well again. Usually, the next day when I boot
              > > up, I'll have to change it back to 1700 Hz. This weird change happens
              > > without me doing anything and I wonder if anyone else has experienced
              > > this?
              > >
              > >
              >
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              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
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              >
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            • Ted Roycraft
              He s replying to my post where I said I sent email to VE3NEA a couple of months ago about this problem but never got a reply. (See below.) 73, Ted, W2ZK ...
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                He's replying to my post where I said I sent email to VE3NEA a couple of
                months ago about this problem but never got a reply. (See below.)

                73, Ted, W2ZK

                On 9/6/2010 2:23 PM, Pete Smith wrote:
                >
                > Hi Steve - isn't this just a tad over the top? In the States, it's a
                > long holiday weekend. I don't know if the same is true in Canada, but
                > when you're dealing with a one-man outfit, and when it's a sideline
                > business, you have to expect an occasional delay in response.
                >
                > 73, Pete N4ZR
                >
                > The World Contest Station Database, updated daily at
                > www.conteststations.com
                > The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at
                > reversebeacon.blogspot.com,
                > spots at telnet.reversebeacon.net, port 7000
                >
                > On 9/6/2010 1:07 PM, Steve Ellington wrote:
                > > I guess the $75 doesn't include support?
                > >
                > > Steve
                > >
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > From: Ted Roycraft
                > > To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
                > <mailto:dxatlas_group%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 11:29 AM
                > > Subject: Re: [dxatlas] CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > The same thing happens to me. Usually the jump is by 1KHz. It's not an
                > > LP-PAN problem because the frequency offset of PowerSDR/IF is not
                > > affected. I sent mail to VE3NEA about it a couple of months ago but
                > > never got a reply.
                > >
                > > 73, Ted, W2ZK
                > >
                > > On 9/5/2010 10:44 PM, n4lq wrote:
                > > >
                > > > In the "settings" field for Audio IF, Hz, I normally have it set for
                > > > 1700 Hz. I'm using a K3, LP-PAN here.
                > > > Now and then I'll notice that the green arrow doesn't match the acutal
                > > > frequency (signals appear to be offset by 1700 hz) so I change the
                > > > Audio IF to 0 and all is well again. Usually, the next day when I boot
                > > > up, I'll have to change it back to 1700 Hz. This weird change happens
                > > > without me doing anything and I wonder if anyone else has experienced
                > > > this?
                > > >
                > > >
                > >
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              • Steve Ellington
                Thanks Ted. There s always a defense team on these mail list. I ve looked over all the post and see many unanswered questions. That s typical of freeware but
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                  Thanks Ted.
                  There's always a defense team on these mail list. I've looked over all the post and see many unanswered questions. That's typical of freeware but $75 is at the top end so we tend to expect more.
                  I am impressed with Skimmer's ability to decode and I especially like the reverse beacon. I've directed several folks to it and everyone was impressed. There are lots of folks who want wider bandwidth for their use with LP-PAN and other systems but it seems the author has things locked in to the QSR-1 for whatever reason. I have not seen a good explanation for this other than it is a good way to sell QSR1s. Even then...If I had the QSR1 there are interface complications with other rigs so it would be much better if Skimmer could decode the entire 192 khz.
                  Steve

                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: Ted Roycraft
                  To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 3:33 PM
                  Subject: Re: [dxatlas] CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own



                  He's replying to my post where I said I sent email to VE3NEA a couple of
                  months ago about this problem but never got a reply. (See below.)

                  73, Ted, W2ZK

                  On 9/6/2010 2:23 PM, Pete Smith wrote:
                  >
                  > Hi Steve - isn't this just a tad over the top? In the States, it's a
                  > long holiday weekend. I don't know if the same is true in Canada, but
                  > when you're dealing with a one-man outfit, and when it's a sideline
                  > business, you have to expect an occasional delay in response.
                  >
                  > 73, Pete N4ZR
                  >
                  > The World Contest Station Database, updated daily at
                  > www.conteststations.com
                  > The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at
                  > reversebeacon.blogspot.com,
                  > spots at telnet.reversebeacon.net, port 7000
                  >
                  > On 9/6/2010 1:07 PM, Steve Ellington wrote:
                  > > I guess the $75 doesn't include support?
                  > >
                  > > Steve
                  > >
                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > From: Ted Roycraft
                  > > To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
                  > <mailto:dxatlas_group%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 11:29 AM
                  > > Subject: Re: [dxatlas] CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > The same thing happens to me. Usually the jump is by 1KHz. It's not an
                  > > LP-PAN problem because the frequency offset of PowerSDR/IF is not
                  > > affected. I sent mail to VE3NEA about it a couple of months ago but
                  > > never got a reply.
                  > >
                  > > 73, Ted, W2ZK
                  > >
                  > > On 9/5/2010 10:44 PM, n4lq wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > In the "settings" field for Audio IF, Hz, I normally have it set for
                  > > > 1700 Hz. I'm using a K3, LP-PAN here.
                  > > > Now and then I'll notice that the green arrow doesn't match the acutal
                  > > > frequency (signals appear to be offset by 1700 hz) so I change the
                  > > > Audio IF to 0 and all is well again. Usually, the next day when I boot
                  > > > up, I'll have to change it back to 1700 Hz. This weird change happens
                  > > > without me doing anything and I wonder if anyone else has experienced
                  > > > this?
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > >
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                  > >
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                • ALEX
                  Hi n4lq, I have never used K3 myself, but I was told that the exact value of IF in this radio varies with time, e.g., when the user selects a different filter.
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                    Hi n4lq,

                    I have never used K3 myself, but I was told that the exact value of IF in this radio varies with time, e.g., when the user selects a different filter. Please see if you can find any correlation between the settings of the radio and the required value of Audio IF.

                    Please email me directly if you need further help. This forum is for user to user communications, not for support requests.

                    73 Alex VE3NEA






                    --- In dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com, "n4lq" <n4lq@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > In the "settings" field for Audio IF, Hz, I normally have it set for 1700 Hz. I'm using a K3, LP-PAN here.
                    > Now and then I'll notice that the green arrow doesn't match the acutal frequency (signals appear to be offset by 1700 hz) so I change the Audio IF to 0 and all is well again. Usually, the next day when I boot up, I'll have to change it back to 1700 Hz. This weird change happens without me doing anything and I wonder if anyone else has experienced this?
                    >
                  • ALEX
                    Hi Ted, Please re-send your email to me, I will see if I can help you. 73 Alex VE3NEA
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                      Hi Ted,

                      Please re-send your email to me, I will see if I can help you.

                      73 Alex VE3NEA




                      --- In dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com, Ted Roycraft <w2zk@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > The same thing happens to me. Usually the jump is by 1KHz. It's not an
                      > LP-PAN problem because the frequency offset of PowerSDR/IF is not
                      > affected. I sent mail to VE3NEA about it a couple of months ago but
                      > never got a reply.
                      >
                      > 73, Ted, W2ZK
                    • ALEX
                      Hi Steve, Of course, it does not. The support is provided to both registered and unregistered users on the same basis. 73 Alex VE3NEA
                      Message 10 of 28 , Sep 6, 2010
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                        Hi Steve,

                        Of course, it does not. The support is provided to both registered and unregistered users on the same basis.

                        73 Alex VE3NEA




                        --- In dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Ellington" <n4lq@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > I guess the $75 doesn't include support?
                        >
                        > Steve
                        >
                      • Steve Ellington
                        Alex: Yes...That was the problem. Changing the IF bandwidth causes the IF frequency to vary thus throwing off the skimmer display. I now remember something
                        Message 11 of 28 , Sep 6, 2010
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                          Alex:
                          Yes...That was the problem. Changing the IF bandwidth causes the IF frequency to vary thus throwing off the skimmer display. I now remember something about this concering PowerSDR-IF and it was solved by W2UX in his version.
                          Thanks for the help!

                          Steve

                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: ALEX
                          To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:14 PM
                          Subject: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own



                          Hi n4lq,

                          I have never used K3 myself, but I was told that the exact value of IF in this radio varies with time, e.g., when the user selects a different filter. Please see if you can find any correlation between the settings of the radio and the required value of Audio IF.

                          Please email me directly if you need further help. This forum is for user to user communications, not for support requests.

                          73 Alex VE3NEA

                          --- In dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com, "n4lq" <n4lq@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > In the "settings" field for Audio IF, Hz, I normally have it set for 1700 Hz. I'm using a K3, LP-PAN here.
                          > Now and then I'll notice that the green arrow doesn't match the acutal frequency (signals appear to be offset by 1700 hz) so I change the Audio IF to 0 and all is well again. Usually, the next day when I boot up, I'll have to change it back to 1700 Hz. This weird change happens without me doing anything and I wonder if anyone else has experienced this?
                          >





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                        • Wayne Adams
                          Is it really solved in the W2UX version? I have been looking for a solution to the frequencies being wrong in Skimmer when the roofing filters change in the K3
                          Message 12 of 28 , Sep 7, 2010
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                            Is it really solved in the W2UX version? I have been looking for a solution to
                            the frequencies being wrong in Skimmer when the roofing filters change in the K3
                            for a long time. Before Christmas Larry put it on his LPBridge todo list, but no
                            action yet.

                            Where do I find more information? Googling W2UX doesn't bring up much.







                            ________________________________
                            From: Steve Ellington <n4lq@...>
                            To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Mon, September 6, 2010 8:06:13 PM
                            Subject: Re: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own


                            Alex:
                            Yes...That was the problem. Changing the IF bandwidth causes the IF frequency to
                            vary thus throwing off the skimmer display. I now remember something about this
                            concering PowerSDR-IF and it was solved by W2UX in his version.

                            Thanks for the help!

                            Steve

                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: ALEX
                            To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:14 PM
                            Subject: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own

                            Hi n4lq,

                            I have never used K3 myself, but I was told that the exact value of IF in this
                            radio varies with time, e.g., when the user selects a different filter. Please
                            see if you can find any correlation between the settings of the radio and the
                            required value of Audio IF.

                            Please email me directly if you need further help. This forum is for user to
                            user communications, not for support requests.

                            73 Alex VE3NEA

                            --- In dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com, "n4lq" <n4lq@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > In the "settings" field for Audio IF, Hz, I normally have it set for 1700 Hz.
                            >I'm using a K3, LP-PAN here.
                            >
                            > Now and then I'll notice that the green arrow doesn't match the acutal
                            >frequency (signals appear to be offset by 1700 hz) so I change the Audio IF to 0
                            >and all is well again. Usually, the next day when I boot up, I'll have to change
                            >it back to 1700 Hz. This weird change happens without me doing anything and I
                            >wonder if anyone else has experienced this?
                            >

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                          • Iain MacDonnell - N6ML
                            ... Maybe because it s WU2X :) http://www.wu2x.com/sdr.html ~Iain / N6ML
                            Message 13 of 28 , Sep 7, 2010
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                              On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Wayne Adams <wa9vee@...> wrote:
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Is it really solved in the W2UX version? I have been looking for a solution to
                              > the frequencies being wrong in Skimmer when the roofing filters change in the K3
                              > for a long time. Before Christmas Larry put it on his LPBridge todo list, but no
                              > action yet.
                              >
                              > Where do I find more information? Googling W2UX doesn't bring up much.

                              Maybe because it's "WU2X" :)

                              http://www.wu2x.com/sdr.html

                              ~Iain / N6ML


                              > To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
                              > Sent: Mon, September 6, 2010 8:06:13 PM
                              > Subject: Re: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own
                              >
                              > Alex:
                              > Yes...That was the problem. Changing the IF bandwidth causes the IF frequency to
                              > vary thus throwing off the skimmer display. I now remember something about this
                              > concering PowerSDR-IF and it was solved by W2UX in his version.
                              >
                              > Thanks for the help!
                              >
                              > Steve
                              >
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: ALEX
                              > To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
                              > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:14 PM
                              > Subject: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own
                              >
                              > Hi n4lq,
                              >
                              > I have never used K3 myself, but I was told that the exact value of IF in this
                              > radio varies with time, e.g., when the user selects a different filter. Please
                              > see if you can find any correlation between the settings of the radio and the
                              > required value of Audio IF.
                              >
                              > Please email me directly if you need further help. This forum is for user to
                              > user communications, not for support requests.
                              >
                              > 73 Alex VE3NEA
                              >
                              > --- In dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com, "n4lq" <n4lq@...> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > In the "settings" field for Audio IF, Hz, I normally have it set for 1700 Hz.
                              > >I'm using a K3, LP-PAN here.
                              > >
                              > > Now and then I'll notice that the green arrow doesn't match the acutal
                              > >frequency (signals appear to be offset by 1700 hz) so I change the Audio IF to 0
                              > >and all is well again. Usually, the next day when I boot up, I'll have to change
                              > >it back to 1700 Hz. This weird change happens without me doing anything and I
                              > >wonder if anyone else has experienced this?
                              > >
                              >
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                              >
                              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                              >
                              >
                            • bill_w4zv
                              ... Some misinformation here... 1. LP-Bridge does include filter offset info: SDR Linking... The following functions are currently linked between the K3 and
                              Message 14 of 28 , Sep 7, 2010
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                                --- In dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Adams <wa9vee@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > Is it really solved in the W2UX version? I have been looking for a solution to
                                > the frequencies being wrong in Skimmer when the roofing filters change in the K3
                                > for a long time. Before Christmas Larry put it on his LPBridge todo list, but no
                                > action yet.

                                Some misinformation here...

                                1. LP-Bridge does include filter offset info:

                                "SDR Linking... The following functions are currently linked between the K3 and the SDR software: VFO A, VFO B, Mode, IF Offset and TX/RX. The links are bidirectional, meaning that any change made on the SDR software will be reflected at the K3, and vice versa. In addition, LP-Bridge provides links for VFO B, K3 bandwidth and Preamp/Attenuator settings to allow the vertical scale in the SDR software to be re-adjusted whenever the K3 preamp or attenuator are activated. These require setting up an additional CAT interface port in the SDR software."

                                http://www.telepostinc.com/LPB.html

                                2. The K3 has filter offsets for 5-pole filters but no offset for 8-pole filters.

                                3. Skimmer's Omni-Rig can only accept one offset.

                                4. WU2X's latest version of PowerSDR does include offset corrections.

                                "If you have selected the Elecraft K3 as your rig type, you don't need to put any values in for the IF Frequencies for each mode - leave them set to zero." (referring to PowerSDR...not Skimmer)


                                To correct for the K3 offset issue with Skimmer, there are several potential solutions:

                                1. Use only 8-pole filters which have zero offsets and thus do not change when switching filters.

                                2. Keep track of which filter you are using and change the Skimmer > Settings > Radio > Audio IF setting manually when you switch filters. This isn't convenient but it's what I do. Since I use 500 Hz 8-poles in diversity 99% of the time on CW, it's not a huge problem for me.

                                3. If Alex had time, it should be possible to read the K3 IF offsets via commands (as PowerSDR does) and correct the Audio IF settings automatically. However he's very busy and probably has higher priorities to worry about than this one.

                                BTW I no longer use PowerSDR/HRD at all. I use only Skimmer directly with the K3, N1MM and LP-Bridge. For contesting and DX-ing on CW, I don't miss the PowerSDR/HRD combination at all, which takes quite a load off of my computer as well.

                                73, Bill
                              • Steve Ellington
                                Bill I would be ok with using Skimmer and eliminate PowerSDR with the K3 if I could see more than just a small sliver of the band. In fact, it would be a no
                                Message 15 of 28 , Sep 7, 2010
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                                  Bill
                                  I would be ok with using Skimmer and eliminate PowerSDR with the K3 if I could see more than just a small sliver of the band. In fact, it would be a no brainer since the waterfall in Skimmer seems to provide much greater detail.

                                  Steve

                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: bill_w4zv
                                  To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 4:42 PM
                                  Subject: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own





                                  --- In dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Adams <wa9vee@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > Is it really solved in the W2UX version? I have been looking for a solution to
                                  > the frequencies being wrong in Skimmer when the roofing filters change in the K3
                                  > for a long time. Before Christmas Larry put it on his LPBridge todo list, but no
                                  > action yet.

                                  Some misinformation here...

                                  1. LP-Bridge does include filter offset info:

                                  "SDR Linking... The following functions are currently linked between the K3 and the SDR software: VFO A, VFO B, Mode, IF Offset and TX/RX. The links are bidirectional, meaning that any change made on the SDR software will be reflected at the K3, and vice versa. In addition, LP-Bridge provides links for VFO B, K3 bandwidth and Preamp/Attenuator settings to allow the vertical scale in the SDR software to be re-adjusted whenever the K3 preamp or attenuator are activated. These require setting up an additional CAT interface port in the SDR software."

                                  http://www.telepostinc.com/LPB.html

                                  2. The K3 has filter offsets for 5-pole filters but no offset for 8-pole filters.

                                  3. Skimmer's Omni-Rig can only accept one offset.

                                  4. WU2X's latest version of PowerSDR does include offset corrections.

                                  "If you have selected the Elecraft K3 as your rig type, you don't need to put any values in for the IF Frequencies for each mode - leave them set to zero." (referring to PowerSDR...not Skimmer)

                                  To correct for the K3 offset issue with Skimmer, there are several potential solutions:

                                  1. Use only 8-pole filters which have zero offsets and thus do not change when switching filters.

                                  2. Keep track of which filter you are using and change the Skimmer > Settings > Radio > Audio IF setting manually when you switch filters. This isn't convenient but it's what I do. Since I use 500 Hz 8-poles in diversity 99% of the time on CW, it's not a huge problem for me.

                                  3. If Alex had time, it should be possible to read the K3 IF offsets via commands (as PowerSDR does) and correct the Audio IF settings automatically. However he's very busy and probably has higher priorities to worry about than this one.

                                  BTW I no longer use PowerSDR/HRD at all. I use only Skimmer directly with the K3, N1MM and LP-Bridge. For contesting and DX-ing on CW, I don't miss the PowerSDR/HRD combination at all, which takes quite a load off of my computer as well.

                                  73, Bill





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                                • Alex, VE3NEA
                                  Larry, the author of LP-Bridge, emailed me a while ago, explained how he corrected for the IF variability in PowerSDR, and requested that I add a Set Audio IF
                                  Message 16 of 28 , Sep 7, 2010
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                                    Larry, the author of LP-Bridge, emailed me a while ago, explained how he
                                    corrected for the IF variability in PowerSDR, and requested that I add a Set
                                    Audio IF command to the Telnet interface in CW Skimmer so that he can
                                    implement the same correction for the Skimmer. I added this command in
                                    v.1.6, hopefully Larry will eventually implement the IF correction for CW
                                    Skimmer as well.

                                    73 Alex VE3NEA




                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: "bill_w4zv" <w0zv@...>
                                    To: <dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 4:42 PM
                                    Subject: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own




                                    --- In dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Adams <wa9vee@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Is it really solved in the W2UX version? I have been looking for a
                                    > solution to
                                    > the frequencies being wrong in Skimmer when the roofing filters change in
                                    > the K3
                                    > for a long time. Before Christmas Larry put it on his LPBridge todo list,
                                    > but no
                                    > action yet.

                                    Some misinformation here...

                                    1. LP-Bridge does include filter offset info:

                                    "SDR Linking... The following functions are currently linked between the K3
                                    and the SDR software: VFO A, VFO B, Mode, IF Offset and TX/RX. The links are
                                    bidirectional, meaning that any change made on the SDR software will be
                                    reflected at the K3, and vice versa. In addition, LP-Bridge provides links
                                    for VFO B, K3 bandwidth and Preamp/Attenuator settings to allow the vertical
                                    scale in the SDR software to be re-adjusted whenever the K3 preamp or
                                    attenuator are activated. These require setting up an additional CAT
                                    interface port in the SDR software."

                                    http://www.telepostinc.com/LPB.html

                                    2. The K3 has filter offsets for 5-pole filters but no offset for 8-pole
                                    filters.

                                    3. Skimmer's Omni-Rig can only accept one offset.

                                    4. WU2X's latest version of PowerSDR does include offset corrections.

                                    "If you have selected the Elecraft K3 as your rig type, you don't need to
                                    put any values in for the IF Frequencies for each mode - leave them set to
                                    zero." (referring to PowerSDR...not Skimmer)


                                    To correct for the K3 offset issue with Skimmer, there are several potential
                                    solutions:

                                    1. Use only 8-pole filters which have zero offsets and thus do not change
                                    when switching filters.

                                    2. Keep track of which filter you are using and change the Skimmer >
                                    Settings > Radio > Audio IF setting manually when you switch filters. This
                                    isn't convenient but it's what I do. Since I use 500 Hz 8-poles in
                                    diversity 99% of the time on CW, it's not a huge problem for me.

                                    3. If Alex had time, it should be possible to read the K3 IF offsets via
                                    commands (as PowerSDR does) and correct the Audio IF settings automatically.
                                    However he's very busy and probably has higher priorities to worry about
                                    than this one.

                                    BTW I no longer use PowerSDR/HRD at all. I use only Skimmer directly with
                                    the K3, N1MM and LP-Bridge. For contesting and DX-ing on CW, I don't miss
                                    the PowerSDR/HRD combination at all, which takes quite a load off of my
                                    computer as well.

                                    73, Bill
                                  • bill_w4zv
                                    ... It s not a huge issue for me since 24 kHz covers the most interesting areas of the CW bands for me. Plus you can Page Up or Down very quickly if you want
                                    Message 17 of 28 , Sep 7, 2010
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                                      --- In dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Ellington" <n4lq@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > Bill
                                      > I would be ok with using Skimmer and eliminate PowerSDR with the K3 if I could see more than just a small sliver of the band. In fact, it would be a no brainer since the waterfall in Skimmer seems to provide much greater detail.

                                      It's not a huge issue for me since 24 kHz covers the most interesting areas of the CW bands for me. Plus you can Page Up or Down very quickly if you want to check other areas. When contesting with Blind Skimmer, I jump (up or down) to the next decoder dot. When you do this the 24 kHz window is always centered on the green passband window, so it's always tracking you as you S&P up or down the band.

                                      It would be nice to have wider spans, but the advantages of Skimmer are so great compared to any other SDR waterfall, I'm willing to live with 24 kHz for those advantages. If you really want wider spans there are other alternatives like SDR-IQ, Perseus, QS1R, P3, etc. The P3 already has 200 kHz spans with higher promised for the future, and I would carefully watch what Elecraft does with that AUX DATA output on the rear. I can imagine it might make an SDR-IQ obsolete in the future.

                                      73, Bill
                                    • bill_w4zv
                                      I contacted Larry N8LP and he reported: One of many things on the LP-Bridge list. First I have to add the telnet interface, unfortunately ;-( Larry N8LP 73,
                                      Message 18 of 28 , Sep 8, 2010
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                                        I contacted Larry N8LP and he reported:

                                        "One of many things on the LP-Bridge list. First I have to add the telnet interface, unfortunately ;-(

                                        Larry N8LP"

                                        73, Bill

                                        --- In dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com, "Alex, VE3NEA" <alshovk@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Larry, the author of LP-Bridge, emailed me a while ago, explained how he
                                        > corrected for the IF variability in PowerSDR, and requested that I add a Set
                                        > Audio IF command to the Telnet interface in CW Skimmer so that he can
                                        > implement the same correction for the Skimmer. I added this command in
                                        > v.1.6, hopefully Larry will eventually implement the IF correction for CW
                                        > Skimmer as well.
                                        >
                                        > 73 Alex VE3NEA
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > ----- Original Message -----
                                        > From: "bill_w4zv" <w0zv@...>
                                        > To: <dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com>
                                        > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 4:42 PM
                                        > Subject: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > --- In dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Adams <wa9vee@> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > Is it really solved in the W2UX version? I have been looking for a
                                        > > solution to
                                        > > the frequencies being wrong in Skimmer when the roofing filters change in
                                        > > the K3
                                        > > for a long time. Before Christmas Larry put it on his LPBridge todo list,
                                        > > but no
                                        > > action yet.
                                        >
                                        > Some misinformation here...
                                        >
                                        > 1. LP-Bridge does include filter offset info:
                                        >
                                        > "SDR Linking... The following functions are currently linked between the K3
                                        > and the SDR software: VFO A, VFO B, Mode, IF Offset and TX/RX. The links are
                                        > bidirectional, meaning that any change made on the SDR software will be
                                        > reflected at the K3, and vice versa. In addition, LP-Bridge provides links
                                        > for VFO B, K3 bandwidth and Preamp/Attenuator settings to allow the vertical
                                        > scale in the SDR software to be re-adjusted whenever the K3 preamp or
                                        > attenuator are activated. These require setting up an additional CAT
                                        > interface port in the SDR software."
                                        >
                                        > http://www.telepostinc.com/LPB.html
                                        >
                                        > 2. The K3 has filter offsets for 5-pole filters but no offset for 8-pole
                                        > filters.
                                        >
                                        > 3. Skimmer's Omni-Rig can only accept one offset.
                                        >
                                        > 4. WU2X's latest version of PowerSDR does include offset corrections.
                                        >
                                        > "If you have selected the Elecraft K3 as your rig type, you don't need to
                                        > put any values in for the IF Frequencies for each mode - leave them set to
                                        > zero." (referring to PowerSDR...not Skimmer)
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > To correct for the K3 offset issue with Skimmer, there are several potential
                                        > solutions:
                                        >
                                        > 1. Use only 8-pole filters which have zero offsets and thus do not change
                                        > when switching filters.
                                        >
                                        > 2. Keep track of which filter you are using and change the Skimmer >
                                        > Settings > Radio > Audio IF setting manually when you switch filters. This
                                        > isn't convenient but it's what I do. Since I use 500 Hz 8-poles in
                                        > diversity 99% of the time on CW, it's not a huge problem for me.
                                        >
                                        > 3. If Alex had time, it should be possible to read the K3 IF offsets via
                                        > commands (as PowerSDR does) and correct the Audio IF settings automatically.
                                        > However he's very busy and probably has higher priorities to worry about
                                        > than this one.
                                        >
                                        > BTW I no longer use PowerSDR/HRD at all. I use only Skimmer directly with
                                        > the K3, N1MM and LP-Bridge. For contesting and DX-ing on CW, I don't miss
                                        > the PowerSDR/HRD combination at all, which takes quite a load off of my
                                        > computer as well.
                                        >
                                        > 73, Bill
                                        >
                                      • Steve Ellington
                                        What does Telnet and Audio IF correction have in common? Sounds like 2 separate projects to me. Steve ... From: bill_w4zv To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
                                        Message 19 of 28 , Sep 8, 2010
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                                          What does Telnet and Audio IF correction have in common? Sounds like 2 separate projects to me.

                                          Steve

                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                          From: bill_w4zv
                                          To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 7:30 AM
                                          Subject: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own



                                          I contacted Larry N8LP and he reported:

                                          "One of many things on the LP-Bridge list. First I have to add the telnet interface, unfortunately ;-(

                                          Larry N8LP"

                                          73, Bill

                                          --- In dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com, "Alex, VE3NEA" <alshovk@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > Larry, the author of LP-Bridge, emailed me a while ago, explained how he
                                          > corrected for the IF variability in PowerSDR, and requested that I add a Set
                                          > Audio IF command to the Telnet interface in CW Skimmer so that he can
                                          > implement the same correction for the Skimmer. I added this command in
                                          > v.1.6, hopefully Larry will eventually implement the IF correction for CW
                                          > Skimmer as well.
                                          >
                                          > 73 Alex VE3NEA
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > From: "bill_w4zv" <w0zv@...>
                                          > To: <dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com>
                                          > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 4:42 PM
                                          > Subject: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > --- In dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Adams <wa9vee@> wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > > Is it really solved in the W2UX version? I have been looking for a
                                          > > solution to
                                          > > the frequencies being wrong in Skimmer when the roofing filters change in
                                          > > the K3
                                          > > for a long time. Before Christmas Larry put it on his LPBridge todo list,
                                          > > but no
                                          > > action yet.
                                          >
                                          > Some misinformation here...
                                          >
                                          > 1. LP-Bridge does include filter offset info:
                                          >
                                          > "SDR Linking... The following functions are currently linked between the K3
                                          > and the SDR software: VFO A, VFO B, Mode, IF Offset and TX/RX. The links are
                                          > bidirectional, meaning that any change made on the SDR software will be
                                          > reflected at the K3, and vice versa. In addition, LP-Bridge provides links
                                          > for VFO B, K3 bandwidth and Preamp/Attenuator settings to allow the vertical
                                          > scale in the SDR software to be re-adjusted whenever the K3 preamp or
                                          > attenuator are activated. These require setting up an additional CAT
                                          > interface port in the SDR software."
                                          >
                                          > http://www.telepostinc.com/LPB.html
                                          >
                                          > 2. The K3 has filter offsets for 5-pole filters but no offset for 8-pole
                                          > filters.
                                          >
                                          > 3. Skimmer's Omni-Rig can only accept one offset.
                                          >
                                          > 4. WU2X's latest version of PowerSDR does include offset corrections.
                                          >
                                          > "If you have selected the Elecraft K3 as your rig type, you don't need to
                                          > put any values in for the IF Frequencies for each mode - leave them set to
                                          > zero." (referring to PowerSDR...not Skimmer)
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > To correct for the K3 offset issue with Skimmer, there are several potential
                                          > solutions:
                                          >
                                          > 1. Use only 8-pole filters which have zero offsets and thus do not change
                                          > when switching filters.
                                          >
                                          > 2. Keep track of which filter you are using and change the Skimmer >
                                          > Settings > Radio > Audio IF setting manually when you switch filters. This
                                          > isn't convenient but it's what I do. Since I use 500 Hz 8-poles in
                                          > diversity 99% of the time on CW, it's not a huge problem for me.
                                          >
                                          > 3. If Alex had time, it should be possible to read the K3 IF offsets via
                                          > commands (as PowerSDR does) and correct the Audio IF settings automatically.
                                          > However he's very busy and probably has higher priorities to worry about
                                          > than this one.
                                          >
                                          > BTW I no longer use PowerSDR/HRD at all. I use only Skimmer directly with
                                          > the K3, N1MM and LP-Bridge. For contesting and DX-ing on CW, I don't miss
                                          > the PowerSDR/HRD combination at all, which takes quite a load off of my
                                          > computer as well.
                                          >
                                          > 73, Bill
                                          >





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                                        • Jeff Blaine
                                          Telnet is how LP speaks to Skimmer. No telnet, no correction. 73/jeff/ac0c www.ac0c.com From: Steve Ellington Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:20 PM To:
                                          Message 20 of 28 , Sep 8, 2010
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                                            Telnet is how LP speaks to Skimmer. No telnet, no correction.

                                            73/jeff/ac0c
                                            www.ac0c.com



                                            From: Steve Ellington
                                            Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:20 PM
                                            To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: Re: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own



                                            What does Telnet and Audio IF correction have in common? Sounds like 2 separate projects to me.

                                            Steve

                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                            From: bill_w4zv
                                            To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 7:30 AM
                                            Subject: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own

                                            I contacted Larry N8LP and he reported:

                                            "One of many things on the LP-Bridge list. First I have to add the telnet interface, unfortunately ;-(

                                            Larry N8LP"

                                            73, Bill

                                            --- In dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com, "Alex, VE3NEA" <alshovk@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > Larry, the author of LP-Bridge, emailed me a while ago, explained how he
                                            > corrected for the IF variability in PowerSDR, and requested that I add a Set
                                            > Audio IF command to the Telnet interface in CW Skimmer so that he can
                                            > implement the same correction for the Skimmer. I added this command in
                                            > v.1.6, hopefully Larry will eventually implement the IF correction for CW
                                            > Skimmer as well.
                                            >
                                            > 73 Alex VE3NEA
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > From: "bill_w4zv" <w0zv@...>
                                            > To: <dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com>
                                            > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 4:42 PM
                                            > Subject: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > --- In dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Adams <wa9vee@> wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > > Is it really solved in the W2UX version? I have been looking for a
                                            > > solution to
                                            > > the frequencies being wrong in Skimmer when the roofing filters change in
                                            > > the K3
                                            > > for a long time. Before Christmas Larry put it on his LPBridge todo list,
                                            > > but no
                                            > > action yet.
                                            >
                                            > Some misinformation here...
                                            >
                                            > 1. LP-Bridge does include filter offset info:
                                            >
                                            > "SDR Linking... The following functions are currently linked between the K3
                                            > and the SDR software: VFO A, VFO B, Mode, IF Offset and TX/RX. The links are
                                            > bidirectional, meaning that any change made on the SDR software will be
                                            > reflected at the K3, and vice versa. In addition, LP-Bridge provides links
                                            > for VFO B, K3 bandwidth and Preamp/Attenuator settings to allow the vertical
                                            > scale in the SDR software to be re-adjusted whenever the K3 preamp or
                                            > attenuator are activated. These require setting up an additional CAT
                                            > interface port in the SDR software."
                                            >
                                            > http://www.telepostinc.com/LPB.html
                                            >
                                            > 2. The K3 has filter offsets for 5-pole filters but no offset for 8-pole
                                            > filters.
                                            >
                                            > 3. Skimmer's Omni-Rig can only accept one offset.
                                            >
                                            > 4. WU2X's latest version of PowerSDR does include offset corrections.
                                            >
                                            > "If you have selected the Elecraft K3 as your rig type, you don't need to
                                            > put any values in for the IF Frequencies for each mode - leave them set to
                                            > zero." (referring to PowerSDR...not Skimmer)
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > To correct for the K3 offset issue with Skimmer, there are several potential
                                            > solutions:
                                            >
                                            > 1. Use only 8-pole filters which have zero offsets and thus do not change
                                            > when switching filters.
                                            >
                                            > 2. Keep track of which filter you are using and change the Skimmer >
                                            > Settings > Radio > Audio IF setting manually when you switch filters. This
                                            > isn't convenient but it's what I do. Since I use 500 Hz 8-poles in
                                            > diversity 99% of the time on CW, it's not a huge problem for me.
                                            >
                                            > 3. If Alex had time, it should be possible to read the K3 IF offsets via
                                            > commands (as PowerSDR does) and correct the Audio IF settings automatically.
                                            > However he's very busy and probably has higher priorities to worry about
                                            > than this one.
                                            >
                                            > BTW I no longer use PowerSDR/HRD at all. I use only Skimmer directly with
                                            > the K3, N1MM and LP-Bridge. For contesting and DX-ing on CW, I don't miss
                                            > the PowerSDR/HRD combination at all, which takes quite a load off of my
                                            > computer as well.
                                            >
                                            > 73, Bill
                                            >

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                                          • Steve Ellington
                                            Ah Ha....Thanks Jeff. I never would have guessed! Steve ... From: Jeff Blaine To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:03 AM
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                                              Ah Ha....Thanks Jeff. I never would have guessed!
                                              Steve

                                              ----- Original Message -----
                                              From: Jeff Blaine
                                              To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:03 AM
                                              Subject: Re: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own



                                              Telnet is how LP speaks to Skimmer. No telnet, no correction.

                                              73/jeff/ac0c
                                              www.ac0c.com

                                              From: Steve Ellington
                                              Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:20 PM
                                              To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
                                              Subject: Re: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own

                                              What does Telnet and Audio IF correction have in common? Sounds like 2 separate projects to me.

                                              Steve

                                              ----- Original Message -----
                                              From: bill_w4zv
                                              To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 7:30 AM
                                              Subject: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own

                                              I contacted Larry N8LP and he reported:

                                              "One of many things on the LP-Bridge list. First I have to add the telnet interface, unfortunately ;-(

                                              Larry N8LP"

                                              73, Bill

                                              --- In dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com, "Alex, VE3NEA" <alshovk@...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > Larry, the author of LP-Bridge, emailed me a while ago, explained how he
                                              > corrected for the IF variability in PowerSDR, and requested that I add a Set
                                              > Audio IF command to the Telnet interface in CW Skimmer so that he can
                                              > implement the same correction for the Skimmer. I added this command in
                                              > v.1.6, hopefully Larry will eventually implement the IF correction for CW
                                              > Skimmer as well.
                                              >
                                              > 73 Alex VE3NEA
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > ----- Original Message -----
                                              > From: "bill_w4zv" <w0zv@...>
                                              > To: <dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com>
                                              > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 4:42 PM
                                              > Subject: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > --- In dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Adams <wa9vee@> wrote:
                                              > >
                                              > > Is it really solved in the W2UX version? I have been looking for a
                                              > > solution to
                                              > > the frequencies being wrong in Skimmer when the roofing filters change in
                                              > > the K3
                                              > > for a long time. Before Christmas Larry put it on his LPBridge todo list,
                                              > > but no
                                              > > action yet.
                                              >
                                              > Some misinformation here...
                                              >
                                              > 1. LP-Bridge does include filter offset info:
                                              >
                                              > "SDR Linking... The following functions are currently linked between the K3
                                              > and the SDR software: VFO A, VFO B, Mode, IF Offset and TX/RX. The links are
                                              > bidirectional, meaning that any change made on the SDR software will be
                                              > reflected at the K3, and vice versa. In addition, LP-Bridge provides links
                                              > for VFO B, K3 bandwidth and Preamp/Attenuator settings to allow the vertical
                                              > scale in the SDR software to be re-adjusted whenever the K3 preamp or
                                              > attenuator are activated. These require setting up an additional CAT
                                              > interface port in the SDR software."
                                              >
                                              > http://www.telepostinc.com/LPB.html
                                              >
                                              > 2. The K3 has filter offsets for 5-pole filters but no offset for 8-pole
                                              > filters.
                                              >
                                              > 3. Skimmer's Omni-Rig can only accept one offset.
                                              >
                                              > 4. WU2X's latest version of PowerSDR does include offset corrections.
                                              >
                                              > "If you have selected the Elecraft K3 as your rig type, you don't need to
                                              > put any values in for the IF Frequencies for each mode - leave them set to
                                              > zero." (referring to PowerSDR...not Skimmer)
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > To correct for the K3 offset issue with Skimmer, there are several potential
                                              > solutions:
                                              >
                                              > 1. Use only 8-pole filters which have zero offsets and thus do not change
                                              > when switching filters.
                                              >
                                              > 2. Keep track of which filter you are using and change the Skimmer >
                                              > Settings > Radio > Audio IF setting manually when you switch filters. This
                                              > isn't convenient but it's what I do. Since I use 500 Hz 8-poles in
                                              > diversity 99% of the time on CW, it's not a huge problem for me.
                                              >
                                              > 3. If Alex had time, it should be possible to read the K3 IF offsets via
                                              > commands (as PowerSDR does) and correct the Audio IF settings automatically.
                                              > However he's very busy and probably has higher priorities to worry about
                                              > than this one.
                                              >
                                              > BTW I no longer use PowerSDR/HRD at all. I use only Skimmer directly with
                                              > the K3, N1MM and LP-Bridge. For contesting and DX-ing on CW, I don't miss
                                              > the PowerSDR/HRD combination at all, which takes quite a load off of my
                                              > computer as well.
                                              >
                                              > 73, Bill
                                              >

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                                            • Jeff Blaine
                                              Steve, Lot more interoperability being squeezed out of skimmer than what it was designed with. A bit tough without that capability as part of the original
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                                                Steve,

                                                Lot more interoperability being squeezed out of skimmer than what it was designed with. A bit tough without that capability as part of the original feature set so most guys have to work around this and that as Alex is understandability not wanting to do a lot to the code on this older project. New fish to fry and all that...

                                                Oh, I should have said more properly "Skimmer speaks to LP."

                                                73/jeff/ac0c
                                                www.ac0c.com



                                                From: Steve Ellington
                                                Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:38 PM
                                                To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
                                                Subject: Re: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own



                                                Ah Ha....Thanks Jeff. I never would have guessed!
                                                Steve

                                                ----- Original Message -----
                                                From: Jeff Blaine
                                                To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
                                                Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:03 AM
                                                Subject: Re: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own

                                                Telnet is how LP speaks to Skimmer. No telnet, no correction.

                                                73/jeff/ac0c
                                                www.ac0c.com

                                                From: Steve Ellington
                                                Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:20 PM
                                                To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
                                                Subject: Re: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own

                                                What does Telnet and Audio IF correction have in common? Sounds like 2 separate projects to me.

                                                Steve

                                                ----- Original Message -----
                                                From: bill_w4zv
                                                To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
                                                Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 7:30 AM
                                                Subject: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own

                                                I contacted Larry N8LP and he reported:

                                                "One of many things on the LP-Bridge list. First I have to add the telnet interface, unfortunately ;-(

                                                Larry N8LP"

                                                73, Bill

                                                --- In dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com, "Alex, VE3NEA" <alshovk@...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                > Larry, the author of LP-Bridge, emailed me a while ago, explained how he
                                                > corrected for the IF variability in PowerSDR, and requested that I add a Set
                                                > Audio IF command to the Telnet interface in CW Skimmer so that he can
                                                > implement the same correction for the Skimmer. I added this command in
                                                > v.1.6, hopefully Larry will eventually implement the IF correction for CW
                                                > Skimmer as well.
                                                >
                                                > 73 Alex VE3NEA
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                                > From: "bill_w4zv" <w0zv@...>
                                                > To: <dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com>
                                                > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 4:42 PM
                                                > Subject: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > --- In dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Adams <wa9vee@> wrote:
                                                > >
                                                > > Is it really solved in the W2UX version? I have been looking for a
                                                > > solution to
                                                > > the frequencies being wrong in Skimmer when the roofing filters change in
                                                > > the K3
                                                > > for a long time. Before Christmas Larry put it on his LPBridge todo list,
                                                > > but no
                                                > > action yet.
                                                >
                                                > Some misinformation here...
                                                >
                                                > 1. LP-Bridge does include filter offset info:
                                                >
                                                > "SDR Linking... The following functions are currently linked between the K3
                                                > and the SDR software: VFO A, VFO B, Mode, IF Offset and TX/RX. The links are
                                                > bidirectional, meaning that any change made on the SDR software will be
                                                > reflected at the K3, and vice versa. In addition, LP-Bridge provides links
                                                > for VFO B, K3 bandwidth and Preamp/Attenuator settings to allow the vertical
                                                > scale in the SDR software to be re-adjusted whenever the K3 preamp or
                                                > attenuator are activated. These require setting up an additional CAT
                                                > interface port in the SDR software."
                                                >
                                                > http://www.telepostinc.com/LPB.html
                                                >
                                                > 2. The K3 has filter offsets for 5-pole filters but no offset for 8-pole
                                                > filters.
                                                >
                                                > 3. Skimmer's Omni-Rig can only accept one offset.
                                                >
                                                > 4. WU2X's latest version of PowerSDR does include offset corrections.
                                                >
                                                > "If you have selected the Elecraft K3 as your rig type, you don't need to
                                                > put any values in for the IF Frequencies for each mode - leave them set to
                                                > zero." (referring to PowerSDR...not Skimmer)
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > To correct for the K3 offset issue with Skimmer, there are several potential
                                                > solutions:
                                                >
                                                > 1. Use only 8-pole filters which have zero offsets and thus do not change
                                                > when switching filters.
                                                >
                                                > 2. Keep track of which filter you are using and change the Skimmer >
                                                > Settings > Radio > Audio IF setting manually when you switch filters. This
                                                > isn't convenient but it's what I do. Since I use 500 Hz 8-poles in
                                                > diversity 99% of the time on CW, it's not a huge problem for me.
                                                >
                                                > 3. If Alex had time, it should be possible to read the K3 IF offsets via
                                                > commands (as PowerSDR does) and correct the Audio IF settings automatically.
                                                > However he's very busy and probably has higher priorities to worry about
                                                > than this one.
                                                >
                                                > BTW I no longer use PowerSDR/HRD at all. I use only Skimmer directly with
                                                > the K3, N1MM and LP-Bridge. For contesting and DX-ing on CW, I don't miss
                                                > the PowerSDR/HRD combination at all, which takes quite a load off of my
                                                > computer as well.
                                                >
                                                > 73, Bill
                                                >

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                                              • Steve Ellington
                                                Well the freq. change isn t all that big a deal now that I understand whats happening. I ve just got one 8 pole, 400 hz filter and the rest are 5 pole so I can
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                                                  Well the freq. change isn't all that big a deal now that I understand whats happening. I've just got one 8 pole, 400 hz filter and the rest are 5 pole so I can either skip 8 pole and jump to the 200 hz, 5 pole or change out the other 2 filters.
                                                  When I look at Skimmer I think....Wouldn't it make sense to turn the display up vertically like most waterfalls? So using the video card's options, I rotated the display 90 degrees and dragged the screen out to the full width of the 19" monitor. Now I can see 15 khz instead of just 6 khz of the band. Of course there is the sideways mouse issue and reading calls is not so easy.
                                                  Steve

                                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                                  From: Jeff Blaine
                                                  To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:44 AM
                                                  Subject: Re: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own



                                                  Steve,

                                                  Lot more interoperability being squeezed out of skimmer than what it was designed with. A bit tough without that capability as part of the original feature set so most guys have to work around this and that as Alex is understandability not wanting to do a lot to the code on this older project. New fish to fry and all that...

                                                  Oh, I should have said more properly "Skimmer speaks to LP."

                                                  73/jeff/ac0c
                                                  www.ac0c.com

                                                  From: Steve Ellington
                                                  Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:38 PM
                                                  To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Subject: Re: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own

                                                  Ah Ha....Thanks Jeff. I never would have guessed!
                                                  Steve

                                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                                  From: Jeff Blaine
                                                  To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:03 AM
                                                  Subject: Re: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own

                                                  Telnet is how LP speaks to Skimmer. No telnet, no correction.

                                                  73/jeff/ac0c
                                                  www.ac0c.com

                                                  From: Steve Ellington
                                                  Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:20 PM
                                                  To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Subject: Re: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own

                                                  What does Telnet and Audio IF correction have in common? Sounds like 2 separate projects to me.

                                                  Steve

                                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                                  From: bill_w4zv
                                                  To: dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 7:30 AM
                                                  Subject: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own

                                                  I contacted Larry N8LP and he reported:

                                                  "One of many things on the LP-Bridge list. First I have to add the telnet interface, unfortunately ;-(

                                                  Larry N8LP"

                                                  73, Bill

                                                  --- In dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com, "Alex, VE3NEA" <alshovk@...> wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  > Larry, the author of LP-Bridge, emailed me a while ago, explained how he
                                                  > corrected for the IF variability in PowerSDR, and requested that I add a Set
                                                  > Audio IF command to the Telnet interface in CW Skimmer so that he can
                                                  > implement the same correction for the Skimmer. I added this command in
                                                  > v.1.6, hopefully Larry will eventually implement the IF correction for CW
                                                  > Skimmer as well.
                                                  >
                                                  > 73 Alex VE3NEA
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                                  > From: "bill_w4zv" <w0zv@...>
                                                  > To: <dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 4:42 PM
                                                  > Subject: [dxatlas] Re: CW Skimmer Audio IF frequency changes on its own
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > --- In dxatlas_group@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Adams <wa9vee@> wrote:
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Is it really solved in the W2UX version? I have been looking for a
                                                  > > solution to
                                                  > > the frequencies being wrong in Skimmer when the roofing filters change in
                                                  > > the K3
                                                  > > for a long time. Before Christmas Larry put it on his LPBridge todo list,
                                                  > > but no
                                                  > > action yet.
                                                  >
                                                  > Some misinformation here...
                                                  >
                                                  > 1. LP-Bridge does include filter offset info:
                                                  >
                                                  > "SDR Linking... The following functions are currently linked between the K3
                                                  > and the SDR software: VFO A, VFO B, Mode, IF Offset and TX/RX. The links are
                                                  > bidirectional, meaning that any change made on the SDR software will be
                                                  > reflected at the K3, and vice versa. In addition, LP-Bridge provides links
                                                  > for VFO B, K3 bandwidth and Preamp/Attenuator settings to allow the vertical
                                                  > scale in the SDR software to be re-adjusted whenever the K3 preamp or
                                                  > attenuator are activated. These require setting up an additional CAT
                                                  > interface port in the SDR software."
                                                  >
                                                  > http://www.telepostinc.com/LPB.html
                                                  >
                                                  > 2. The K3 has filter offsets for 5-pole filters but no offset for 8-pole
                                                  > filters.
                                                  >
                                                  > 3. Skimmer's Omni-Rig can only accept one offset.
                                                  >
                                                  > 4. WU2X's latest version of PowerSDR does include offset corrections.
                                                  >
                                                  > "If you have selected the Elecraft K3 as your rig type, you don't need to
                                                  > put any values in for the IF Frequencies for each mode - leave them set to
                                                  > zero." (referring to PowerSDR...not Skimmer)
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > To correct for the K3 offset issue with Skimmer, there are several potential
                                                  > solutions:
                                                  >
                                                  > 1. Use only 8-pole filters which have zero offsets and thus do not change
                                                  > when switching filters.
                                                  >
                                                  > 2. Keep track of which filter you are using and change the Skimmer >
                                                  > Settings > Radio > Audio IF setting manually when you switch filters. This
                                                  > isn't convenient but it's what I do. Since I use 500 Hz 8-poles in
                                                  > diversity 99% of the time on CW, it's not a huge problem for me.
                                                  >
                                                  > 3. If Alex had time, it should be possible to read the K3 IF offsets via
                                                  > commands (as PowerSDR does) and correct the Audio IF settings automatically.
                                                  > However he's very busy and probably has higher priorities to worry about
                                                  > than this one.
                                                  >
                                                  > BTW I no longer use PowerSDR/HRD at all. I use only Skimmer directly with
                                                  > the K3, N1MM and LP-Bridge. For contesting and DX-ing on CW, I don't miss
                                                  > the PowerSDR/HRD combination at all, which takes quite a load off of my
                                                  > computer as well.
                                                  >
                                                  > 73, Bill
                                                  >

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