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  • bannistr@senet.com.au
    Ok, so whats the % content change rule again, I know I can get it published in russian and chinese, no problems, but to do an english copy I have to change a %
    Message 1 of 25 , Mar 27, 2003
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      Ok, so whats the % content change rule again, I know I can get it published in
      russian and chinese, no problems, but to do an english copy I have to change a
      % of the text to be different enough, also since most of the concepts of DW are
      gaming and there are hundreds of game products, what do you think would be the
      crucial changes to make it a non copyright infringement.



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    • bannistr@senet.com.au
      Ok, If Dave and Oliver are reading this, Then I have a request: please let me know if or if not you are interested/able to re-publish DW, I have contacted some
      Message 2 of 25 , Mar 28, 2003
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        Ok, If Dave and Oliver are reading this, Then I have a request: please let me
        know if or if not you are interested/able to re-publish DW, I have contacted
        some overseas companies and have interested publishers, I know that the game
        books are a great introductionary game to roleplay, and would easily have
        100,000 copies sold in some of the places I have contacted. I have designed my
        own game that has no resemblance to yours, But If published in tandem, there
        are concepts in DW that can transfer to my advanced game, so players of yours
        can upgrade to mine with ease, so Its in my best interests to have yours as
        part of the gaming market place again.

        Also I'm a big Fan of DW and would love to see it up there on the charts again.
        The small book format and many of the game mechanics are a great system design,
        as many on this forum would attest to. I was previously under the impresion
        that no-one was interested in re-publishing, sorry if I offended anyone.



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      • bannistr@senet.com.au
        Hey I understand, I never would have thought the markets that I ve been talking to would even think about it, but life shows some interesting surprises
        Message 3 of 25 , Mar 28, 2003
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          Hey I understand, I never would have thought the markets that I've been talking
          to would even think about it, but life shows some interesting surprises
          sometimes. Lets just leave this on the back-burner till the 'able' is more
          possible then I guess, or I have some more information.

          Quoting Paul Mason <panurge@...>:

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          > bannistr@... wrote on May 5:<BR>
          > <BR>
          > " Ok, If Dave and Oliver are reading this, Then I have a request: please
          > let me <BR>
          > " know if or if not you are interested/able to re-publish DW, I have
          > contacted <BR>
          > " some overseas companies and have interested publishers, I know that
          > the game <BR>
          > " books are a great introductionary game to roleplay, and would easily
          > have <BR>
          > " 100,000 copies sold in some of the places I have contacted.<BR>
          > <BR>
          > Pardon my scepticism.<BR>
          > <BR>
          > I'm sure others who have more frequent contact will pass the message along,
          > but I know <BR>
          > that last I heard Dave at least was interested in republishing DW. The 'able'
          > part is another <BR>
          > matter. And of course, more appealing is a rewrite of the rules to reflect
          > the changing <BR>
          > ideas since it came out. But that takes time and effort.<BR>
          > <BR>
          > And while you may have the global contacts to easily guarantee a market of
          > 100,000 <BR>
          > sales, the rest of us live in a world of suspicious publishers and risky
          > investments.<BR>
          > <BR>
          > ---<BR>
          > <BR>
          > Best wishes<BR>
          > <BR>
          > Paul Mason<BR>
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        • bane_star75
          ... bits ... this ... and ... END QUOTE As an avid fan of DW, but new to Internet groups, I m brand new on the scene, but have been looking at and enquiring
          Message 4 of 25 , May 3, 2003
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            QUOTE:
            > In times past, I made a substantial re-write to DW, incorporating
            bits
            > from websites all over - several of them belonging to members of
            this
            > club - and my own ideas, but it got to the "completely unwieldly
            and
            > unnecessariy complicated" stage, and I gave it up in favour of RM.
            END QUOTE

            As an avid fan of DW, but new to Internet groups, I'm brand new on
            the scene, but have been looking at and enquiring about the
            possibilty of re-publishing DW for years, knowing full well that Dave
            and Oliver are hard to get ahold of, but Copyright laws have country
            and time limits, so I'm still enquiring... 2005 is a possible non-
            copyright infringement date on re-release, but I'd like to see the
            books compiled a little better than they are, and some slight ad-hoc
            changes to get rid of ambiguities and the like.

            So... how far did you get and how soon could it be published..
          • Paul Mason
            bane_star75 wrote on May 3: As an avid fan of DW, but new to Internet groups, I m brand new on the scene, but have been looking at and enquiring about the
            Message 5 of 25 , May 3, 2003
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              bane_star75 wrote on May 3:

              " As an avid fan of DW, but new to Internet groups, I'm brand new on
              " the scene, but have been looking at and enquiring about the
              " possibilty of re-publishing DW for years, knowing full well that Dave
              " and Oliver are hard to get ahold of, but Copyright laws have country
              " and time limits, so I'm still enquiring... 2005 is a possible non-
              " copyright infringement date on re-release, but I'd like to see the
              " books compiled a little better than they are, and some slight ad-hoc
              " changes to get rid of ambiguities and the like.

              Both Dave and Oliver are still alive, and if they both dropped dead tomorrow you
              would have to wait 50 years (or is it 75? Thank you for nothing, Disney!) before a
              'non-copyright infringement' date came around. Somewhat preferable is for the
              rights to revert to Dave and Oliver from Transworld, and them to do something
              (or give permission, or whatever).

              ---

              Best wishes

              Paul Mason
              Outlaws/imazine http//www.tcp-ip.or.jp/~panurge
            • Karl K H Chan
              Urh, transworld? Seems ai missed somethin . What is this organisation? What happened? Karl K H Chan (852) 9721 7537 (Ascending tone) (852) 2656 3851
              Message 6 of 25 , May 3, 2003
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                Urh, transworld? Seems ai' missed somethin'. What is this organisation?
                What happened?


                Karl K H Chan
                (852) 9721 7537 (Ascending tone)
                (852) 2656 3851
                kharille@...




                >From: Paul Mason <panurge@...>
                >Reply-To: dragwars@yahoogroups.com
                >To: dragwars@yahoogroups.com
                >Subject: Re: [dragwars] Re-writing DW, & publishing
                >Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 22:36:04 +0900
                >
                >bane_star75 wrote on May 3:
                >
                >" As an avid fan of DW, but new to Internet groups, I'm brand new on
                >" the scene, but have been looking at and enquiring about the
                >" possibilty of re-publishing DW for years, knowing full well that Dave
                >" and Oliver are hard to get ahold of, but Copyright laws have country
                >" and time limits, so I'm still enquiring... 2005 is a possible non-
                >" copyright infringement date on re-release, but I'd like to see the
                >" books compiled a little better than they are, and some slight ad-hoc
                >" changes to get rid of ambiguities and the like.
                >
                >Both Dave and Oliver are still alive, and if they both dropped dead
                >tomorrow you
                >would have to wait 50 years (or is it 75? Thank you for nothing, Disney!)
                >before a
                >'non-copyright infringement' date came around. Somewhat preferable is for
                >the
                >rights to revert to Dave and Oliver from Transworld, and them to do
                >something
                >(or give permission, or whatever).
                >
                >---
                >
                >Best wishes
                >
                >Paul Mason
                >Outlaws/imazine http//www.tcp-ip.or.jp/~panurge


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              • Paul Mason
                Karl K H Chan wrote on May 4: Urh, transworld? Seems ai missed somethin . What is this organisation? What happened? Transworld were the publishers of
                Message 7 of 25 , May 3, 2003
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                  Karl K H Chan wrote on May 4:

                  "
                  " Urh, transworld? Seems ai' missed somethin'. What is this organisation?
                  " What happened?

                  Transworld were the publishers of Dragon Warriors. Check inside your copies.

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                  Best wishes

                  Paul Mason
                • Shaun Hately
                  I would just like to draw people s attention to the rules of this list, especially the following: 7) No violation of Copyright. There is some confusion here.
                  Message 8 of 25 , May 3, 2003
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                    I would just like to draw people's attention to the rules of this list, especially the
                    following:

                    "7) No violation of Copyright. There is some confusion here. Even though the DW books
                    are out of print, they are still subject to Copyright law. Limited quoting is permissible for
                    purposes of review or discussion - wholesale reproduction is not, unless you have the
                    permission of the Copyright holders."

                    Dave Morris has always been very generous, IMHO, when approached by people
                    wanting to do things with his materials - far more generous than he needs to be. Too
                    much discussion on how to get around his rights etc, probably makes it less likely he is
                    going to continue to be so generous.


                    Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
                    Shaun Hately |webpage: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
                    (ISTJ) |email: drednort@... | ICQ: 6898200

                    "Almighty Ruler of the all;
                    Whose power extends to great and small;
                    Who guides the stars with steadfast law;
                    Whose least creation fills with awe;
                    Oh grant thy mercy and thy grace;
                    To those who venture into space."
                  • Steve@origob.cix.co.uk
                    Dave and Oliver are not hard to get hold of and they do get to see some of the material posted here (...because Paul, Tim or I will forward anything of genuine
                    Message 9 of 25 , May 4, 2003
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                      Dave and Oliver are not hard to get hold of and they do get to see some of
                      the material posted here (...because Paul, Tim or I will forward anything of
                      genuine interest or consern.)

                      As to copyright: well, you would be stealing. Remember that Dave and Oliver
                      have to eat and do those other human-type activities which cost money. This
                      money comes in part from royalties on their works. You break their
                      copyright, you take the food from their mouths. Particularly as, in this
                      case, you may be very definitely treading on toes regarding future versions
                      of DW.

                      'nuff said.

                      Steve

                      > -----Original Message-----
                      > From: bane_star75 [mailto:bannistr@...]
                      > Sent: 03 May 2003 13:41
                      > To: dragwars@yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: [dragwars] Re-writing DW, & publishing
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > QUOTE:
                      > > In times past, I made a substantial re-write to DW, incorporating
                      > bits
                      > > from websites all over - several of them belonging to members of
                      > this
                      > > club - and my own ideas, but it got to the "completely unwieldly
                      > and
                      > > unnecessariy complicated" stage, and I gave it up in favour of RM.
                      > END QUOTE
                      >
                      > As an avid fan of DW, but new to Internet groups, I'm brand new on
                      > the scene, but have been looking at and enquiring about the
                      > possibilty of re-publishing DW for years, knowing full well that Dave
                      > and Oliver are hard to get ahold of, but Copyright laws have country
                      > and time limits, so I'm still enquiring... 2005 is a possible non-
                      > copyright infringement date on re-release, but I'd like to see the
                      > books compiled a little better than they are, and some slight ad-hoc
                      > changes to get rid of ambiguities and the like.
                      >
                      > So... how far did you get and how soon could it be published..
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
                      >
                    • Paul Mason
                      bannistr@senet.com.au wrote on May 5: Ok, If Dave and Oliver are reading this, Then I have a request: please let me know if or if not you are
                      Message 10 of 25 , May 5, 2003
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                        bannistr@... wrote on May 5:

                        " Ok, If Dave and Oliver are reading this, Then I have a request: please let me
                        " know if or if not you are interested/able to re-publish DW, I have contacted
                        " some overseas companies and have interested publishers, I know that the game
                        " books are a great introductionary game to roleplay, and would easily have
                        " 100,000 copies sold in some of the places I have contacted.

                        Pardon my scepticism.

                        I'm sure others who have more frequent contact will pass the message along, but I know
                        that last I heard Dave at least was interested in republishing DW. The 'able' part is another
                        matter. And of course, more appealing is a rewrite of the rules to reflect the changing
                        ideas since it came out. But that takes time and effort.

                        And while you may have the global contacts to easily guarantee a market of 100,000
                        sales, the rest of us live in a world of suspicious publishers and risky investments.

                        ---

                        Best wishes

                        Paul Mason
                        Outlaws/imazine http//www.tcp-ip.or.jp/~panurge
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