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Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life

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  • Dennis Newson
    Shared with the following lists, groups, with apologies for cross-posting: Facebook Machinema , Dogme, IATEFL Facebook, Webheads, learningwithcomputers, GISIG,
    Message 1 of 28 , Sep 1, 2013
      Shared with the following lists, groups, with apologies for cross-posting:

      Facebook Machinema , Dogme, IATEFL Facebook, Webheads,
      learningwithcomputers, GISIG, YLTSIG, Learning Technology, TTEdSIG, ELTA-OWL

      Dennis Newson

      ----------

      I have just re-discovered and uploaded to YouTube for the first time a 35
      minute-long video, divided into 10 short uneven clips of between one and
      eight minutes:

      *Dogme in Second Life*: *A conversation between Carol Rainbow and Dennis
      Newson (Osna) � Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life *

      *Camera and sound: Carol*

      *----------------------------------*

      *I suppose these video clips can be classified as machinema, though at the
      time they were made I, at least, had never heard of machinema! I�m sure
      Carol had and, I believe, had already made one or two.*

      *Enjoy. Comments more than welcome.*

      *----------*

      *Like all basically lazy people, I try to avoid what I consider to be
      unnecessary tasks. These videos/machinema are raw � not edited. It is what
      we say, that, just possibly is of passing interest to some. Technical
      imperfections are, in my opinion, far lower than �secondary�. Life is too
      short to edit such videos except under special circumstances.*

      * *

      *Dennis aka Osna.*



      Video 1: http://youtu.be/FTYENQEGppM

      Video 2: http://youtu.be/EF-DGFDeVpM

      Video 3: http://youtu.be/cMR5Fdlp_ho

      Video 4: http://youtu.be/D8Cgz3bQ5X8

      Video 5: http://youtu.be/U9s6ELnZiMk

      Video 6: http://youtu.be/bO1q17im7b0

      Video 7: http://youtu.be/a_1gXzw434A

      Video 8: http://youtu.be/tVTnQGTDTlU

      Video 9: http://youtu.be/-rz6aZ7bqvY

      Video 10: http://youtu.be/Z4UJ2MMPUmM






      --

      --
      *

      *Dennis Newson*
      Formerly : University of Osnabrueck, GERMANY


      Committee member : IATEFL: YLTSIG,Network Coordinator Teens (*T*)

      Committee Member : IATEFL GISIG

      Founder: Osna Group Second Life

      Initiator: MCC - Machinima Creative Club Second Life

      Winner British Council ELT 05 Team Innovation Award

      Personal homepage <http://www.dennisnewson.de/>

      Skype: *Osnacantab*
      Second Life: *Osnacantab Nesterov*


      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    • Robert Horne
      as I understand it, Dogme is about  non-technical ways of working with and off students; Scott s comment - It s about people in a room using English . All
      Message 2 of 28 , Sep 1, 2013
        as I understand it, 'Dogme' is about  non-technical ways of working with and off students; Scott's comment - 'It's about people in a room using English'. All this dross is just technobabble nonsense and has nothing to do with Dogme.


        ________________________________
        From: Dennis Newson <djn@...>
        To: l <dogme@yahoogroups.com>; "evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com" <evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com>; learningwithcomputers@yahoogroups.com; learningtechnologiessig <LearningTechnologiesSIG@yahoogroups.com>; gisig <gisig@yahoogroups.com>; j <younglearners@yahoogroups.com>; TTEdSIG <ttedsig@...>
        Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2013, 13:39
        Subject: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life


        Shared with the following lists, groups, with apologies for cross-posting:

        Facebook Machinema , Dogme, IATEFL Facebook, Webheads,
        learningwithcomputers, GISIG, YLTSIG, Learning Technology, TTEdSIG, ELTA-OWL

        Dennis Newson

        ----------

        I have just re-discovered and uploaded to YouTube for the first time a 35
        minute-long video, divided into 10 short uneven clips of between one and
        eight minutes:

        *Dogme in Second Life*: *A conversation between Carol Rainbow and Dennis
        Newson (Osna) – Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life  *

        *Camera and sound: Carol*

        *----------------------------------*

        *I suppose these video clips can be classified as machinema, though at the
        time they were made I, at least, had never heard of machinema! I’m sure
        Carol had and, I believe, had already made one or two.*

        *Enjoy. Comments more than welcome.*

        *----------*

        *Like all basically lazy people, I try to avoid what I consider to be
        unnecessary tasks. These videos/machinema  are raw – not edited. It is what
        we say, that, just possibly is of passing interest to some. Technical
        imperfections are, in my opinion, far lower than “secondary”. Life is too
        short to edit such videos except under special circumstances.*

        * *

        *Dennis aka Osna.*



        Video 1:  http://youtu.be/FTYENQEGppM

        Video 2:  http://youtu.be/EF-DGFDeVpM

        Video 3:  http://youtu.be/cMR5Fdlp_ho

        Video 4:  http://youtu.be/D8Cgz3bQ5X8

        Video 5:  http://youtu.be/U9s6ELnZiMk

        Video 6:  http://youtu.be/bO1q17im7b0

        Video 7:  http://youtu.be/a_1gXzw434A

        Video 8:  http://youtu.be/tVTnQGTDTlU

        Video 9:  http://youtu.be/-rz6aZ7bqvY

        Video 10: http://youtu.be/Z4UJ2MMPUmM






        --

        --
        *

        *Dennis Newson*
        Formerly : University of Osnabrueck, GERMANY


        Committee member : IATEFL: YLTSIG,Network Coordinator Teens (*T*)

        Committee Member : IATEFL GISIG

        Founder: Osna Group Second Life

        Initiator:  MCC - Machinima Creative Club  Second Life

        Winner British Council ELT 05 Team Innovation Award

        Personal homepage <http://www.dennisnewson.de/>

        Skype: *Osnacantab*
        Second Life: *Osnacantab Nesterov*


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      • Weynta
        I would disagree- technology promoting student autonomy and meaning creation- tools - is about as dogme as it gets in my book. Sent from my iPhone ...
        Message 3 of 28 , Sep 1, 2013
          I would disagree- technology promoting student autonomy and meaning creation- tools - is about as "dogme" as it gets in my book.
          Sent from my iPhone

          On Sep 1, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Robert Horne <bretorne@...> wrote:

          >
          > as I understand it, 'Dogme' is about non-technical ways of working with and off students; Scott's comment - 'It's about people in a room using English'. All this dross is just technobabble nonsense and has nothing to do with Dogme.
          >
          >
          > ________________________________
          > From: Dennis Newson <djn@...>
          > To: l <dogme@yahoogroups.com>; "evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com" <evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com>; learningwithcomputers@yahoogroups.com; learningtechnologiessig <LearningTechnologiesSIG@yahoogroups.com>; gisig <gisig@yahoogroups.com>; j <younglearners@yahoogroups.com>; TTEdSIG <ttedsig@...>
          > Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2013, 13:39
          > Subject: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
          >
          >
          > Shared with the following lists, groups, with apologies for cross-posting:
          >
          > Facebook Machinema , Dogme, IATEFL Facebook, Webheads,
          > learningwithcomputers, GISIG, YLTSIG, Learning Technology, TTEdSIG, ELTA-OWL
          >
          > Dennis Newson
          >
          > ----------
          >
          > I have just re-discovered and uploaded to YouTube for the first time a 35
          > minute-long video, divided into 10 short uneven clips of between one and
          > eight minutes:
          >
          > *Dogme in Second Life*: *A conversation between Carol Rainbow and Dennis
          > Newson (Osna) – Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life *
          >
          > *Camera and sound: Carol*
          >
          > *----------------------------------*
          >
          > *I suppose these video clips can be classified as machinema, though at the
          > time they were made I, at least, had never heard of machinema! I’m sure
          > Carol had and, I believe, had already made one or two.*
          >
          > *Enjoy. Comments more than welcome.*
          >
          > *----------*
          >
          > *Like all basically lazy people, I try to avoid what I consider to be
          > unnecessary tasks. These videos/machinema are raw – not edited. It is what
          > we say, that, just possibly is of passing interest to some. Technical
          > imperfections are, in my opinion, far lower than “secondary”. Life is too
          > short to edit such videos except under special circumstances.*
          >
          > * *
          >
          > *Dennis aka Osna.*
          >
          > Video 1: http://youtu.be/FTYENQEGppM
          >
          > Video 2: http://youtu.be/EF-DGFDeVpM
          >
          > Video 3: http://youtu.be/cMR5Fdlp_ho
          >
          > Video 4: http://youtu.be/D8Cgz3bQ5X8
          >
          > Video 5: http://youtu.be/U9s6ELnZiMk
          >
          > Video 6: http://youtu.be/bO1q17im7b0
          >
          > Video 7: http://youtu.be/a_1gXzw434A
          >
          > Video 8: http://youtu.be/tVTnQGTDTlU
          >
          > Video 9: http://youtu.be/-rz6aZ7bqvY
          >
          > Video 10: http://youtu.be/Z4UJ2MMPUmM
          >
          > --
          >
          > --
          > *
          >
          > *Dennis Newson*
          > Formerly : University of Osnabrueck, GERMANY
          >
          > Committee member : IATEFL: YLTSIG,Network Coordinator Teens (*T*)
          >
          > Committee Member : IATEFL GISIG
          >
          > Founder: Osna Group Second Life
          >
          > Initiator: MCC - Machinima Creative Club Second Life
          >
          > Winner British Council ELT 05 Team Innovation Award
          >
          > Personal homepage <http://www.dennisnewson.de/>
          >
          > Skype: *Osnacantab*
          > Second Life: *Osnacantab Nesterov*
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >
          > ------------------------------------
          >
          > To Post a message, send it to: dogme@...
          > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: dogme-unsubscribe@...! Groups Links
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >
          >


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        • Robert Horne
          You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not thinking about the original Dogme (not thinking about Dogme , just about your own ideas). Dogme is about
          Message 4 of 28 , Sep 1, 2013
            You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not thinking about the original Dogme (not thinking about 'Dogme', just about your own ideas). Dogme is about people in a room using English, and that's all. If you disagree with Scott and me, check out the original Dogme collective, which was a Danish film production company - probably anarchist-inspired, but that doesn't worry me - which devised this technique (following the French Lettristes and the Situationist International).
             


            ________________________________
            From: Weynta <weynta@...>
            To: "dogme@yahoogroups.com" <dogme@yahoogroups.com>
            Cc: "dogme@yahoogroups.com" <dogme@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 1:13
            Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life


             

            I would disagree- technology promoting student autonomy and meaning creation- tools - is about as "dogme" as it gets in my book.
            Sent from my iPhone

            On Sep 1, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

            >
            > as I understand it, 'Dogme' is about non-technical ways of working with and off students; Scott's comment - 'It's about people in a room using English'. All this dross is just technobabble nonsense and has nothing to do with Dogme.
            >
            >
            > ________________________________
            > From: Dennis Newson <mailto:djn%40dennisnewson.de>
            > To: l <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>; "mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com>; mailto:learningwithcomputers%40yahoogroups.com; learningtechnologiessig <mailto:LearningTechnologiesSIG%40yahoogroups.com>; gisig <mailto:gisig%40yahoogroups.com>; j <mailto:younglearners%40yahoogroups.com>; TTEdSIG <mailto:ttedsig%40iatefl.org>
            > Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2013, 13:39
            > Subject: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
            >
            >
            > Shared with the following lists, groups, with apologies for cross-posting:
            >
            > Facebook Machinema , Dogme, IATEFL Facebook, Webheads,
            > learningwithcomputers, GISIG, YLTSIG, Learning Technology, TTEdSIG, ELTA-OWL
            >
            > Dennis Newson
            >
            > ----------
            >
            > I have just re-discovered and uploaded to YouTube for the first time a 35
            > minute-long video, divided into 10 short uneven clips of between one and
            > eight minutes:
            >
            > *Dogme in Second Life*: *A conversation between Carol Rainbow and Dennis
            > Newson (Osna) – Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life *
            >
            > *Camera and sound: Carol*
            >
            > *----------------------------------*
            >
            > *I suppose these video clips can be classified as machinema, though at the
            > time they were made I, at least, had never heard of machinema! I’m sure
            > Carol had and, I believe, had already made one or two.*
            >
            > *Enjoy. Comments more than welcome.*
            >
            > *----------*
            >
            > *Like all basically lazy people, I try to avoid what I consider to be
            > unnecessary tasks. These videos/machinema are raw – not edited. It is what
            > we say, that, just possibly is of passing interest to some. Technical
            > imperfections are, in my opinion, far lower than “secondary”. Life is too
            > short to edit such videos except under special circumstances.*
            >
            > * *
            >
            > *Dennis aka Osna.*
            >
            > Video 1: http://youtu.be/FTYENQEGppM
            >
            > Video 2: http://youtu.be/EF-DGFDeVpM
            >
            > Video 3: http://youtu.be/cMR5Fdlp_ho
            >
            > Video 4: http://youtu.be/D8Cgz3bQ5X8
            >
            > Video 5: http://youtu.be/U9s6ELnZiMk
            >
            > Video 6: http://youtu.be/bO1q17im7b0
            >
            > Video 7: http://youtu.be/a_1gXzw434A
            >
            > Video 8: http://youtu.be/tVTnQGTDTlU
            >
            > Video 9: http://youtu.be/-rz6aZ7bqvY
            >
            > Video 10: http://youtu.be/Z4UJ2MMPUmM
            >
            > --
            >
            > --
            > *
            >
            > *Dennis Newson*
            > Formerly : University of Osnabrueck, GERMANY
            >
            > Committee member : IATEFL: YLTSIG,Network Coordinator Teens (*T*)
            >
            > Committee Member : IATEFL GISIG
            >
            > Founder: Osna Group Second Life
            >
            > Initiator: MCC - Machinima Creative Club Second Life
            >
            > Winner British Council ELT 05 Team Innovation Award
            >
            > Personal homepage <http://www.dennisnewson.de/>
            >
            > Skype: *Osnacantab*
            > Second Life: *Osnacantab Nesterov*
            >
            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            >
            > ------------------------------------
            >
            > To Post a message, send it to: mailto:dogme%40eGroups.com
            > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: mailto:dogme-unsubscribe%40eGroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
            >
            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            >
            >

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          • Robert Horne
            May I add that I am, and have been for twenty years or more, a Situationist. ________________________________ From: Robert Horne To:
            Message 5 of 28 , Sep 1, 2013
              May I add that I am, and have been for twenty years or more, a Situationist.


              ________________________________
              From: Robert Horne <bretorne@...>
              To: "dogme@yahoogroups.com" <dogme@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 1:27
              Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life


               

              You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not thinking about the original Dogme (not thinking about 'Dogme', just about your own ideas). Dogme is about people in a room using English, and that's all. If you disagree with Scott and me, check out the original Dogme collective, which was a Danish film production company - probably anarchist-inspired, but that doesn't worry me - which devised this technique (following the French Lettristes and the Situationist International).
               


              ________________________________
              From: Weynta <mailto:weynta%40yahoo.de>
              To: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
              Cc: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 1:13
              Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life


               

              I would disagree- technology promoting student autonomy and meaning creation- tools - is about as "dogme" as it gets in my book.
              Sent from my iPhone

              On Sep 1, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

              >
              > as I understand it, 'Dogme' is about non-technical ways of working with and off students; Scott's comment - 'It's about people in a room using English'. All this dross is just technobabble nonsense and has nothing to do with Dogme.
              >
              >
              > ________________________________
              > From: Dennis Newson <mailto:djn%40dennisnewson.de>
              > To: l <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>; "mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com>; mailto:learningwithcomputers%40yahoogroups.com; learningtechnologiessig <mailto:LearningTechnologiesSIG%40yahoogroups.com>; gisig <mailto:gisig%40yahoogroups.com>; j <mailto:younglearners%40yahoogroups.com>; TTEdSIG <mailto:ttedsig%40iatefl.org>
              > Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2013, 13:39
              > Subject: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
              >
              >
              > Shared with the following lists, groups, with apologies for cross-posting:
              >
              > Facebook Machinema , Dogme, IATEFL Facebook, Webheads,
              > learningwithcomputers, GISIG, YLTSIG, Learning Technology, TTEdSIG, ELTA-OWL
              >
              > Dennis Newson
              >
              > ----------
              >
              > I have just re-discovered and uploaded to YouTube for the first time a 35
              > minute-long video, divided into 10 short uneven clips of between one and
              > eight minutes:
              >
              > *Dogme in Second Life*: *A conversation between Carol Rainbow and Dennis
              > Newson (Osna) – Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life *
              >
              > *Camera and sound: Carol*
              >
              > *----------------------------------*
              >
              > *I suppose these video clips can be classified as machinema, though at the
              > time they were made I, at least, had never heard of machinema! I’m sure
              > Carol had and, I believe, had already made one or two.*
              >
              > *Enjoy. Comments more than welcome.*
              >
              > *----------*
              >
              > *Like all basically lazy people, I try to avoid what I consider to be
              > unnecessary tasks. These videos/machinema are raw – not edited. It is what
              > we say, that, just possibly is of passing interest to some. Technical
              > imperfections are, in my opinion, far lower than “secondary”. Life is too
              > short to edit such videos except under special circumstances.*
              >
              > * *
              >
              > *Dennis aka Osna.*
              >
              > Video 1: http://youtu.be/FTYENQEGppM
              >
              > Video 2: http://youtu.be/EF-DGFDeVpM
              >
              > Video 3: http://youtu.be/cMR5Fdlp_ho
              >
              > Video 4: http://youtu.be/D8Cgz3bQ5X8
              >
              > Video 5: http://youtu.be/U9s6ELnZiMk
              >
              > Video 6: http://youtu.be/bO1q17im7b0
              >
              > Video 7: http://youtu.be/a_1gXzw434A
              >
              > Video 8: http://youtu.be/tVTnQGTDTlU
              >
              > Video 9: http://youtu.be/-rz6aZ7bqvY
              >
              > Video 10: http://youtu.be/Z4UJ2MMPUmM
              >
              > --
              >
              > --
              > *
              >
              > *Dennis Newson*
              > Formerly : University of Osnabrueck, GERMANY
              >
              > Committee member : IATEFL: YLTSIG,Network Coordinator Teens (*T*)
              >
              > Committee Member : IATEFL GISIG
              >
              > Founder: Osna Group Second Life
              >
              > Initiator: MCC - Machinima Creative Club Second Life
              >
              > Winner British Council ELT 05 Team Innovation Award
              >
              > Personal homepage <http://www.dennisnewson.de/>
              >
              > Skype: *Osnacantab*
              > Second Life: *Osnacantab Nesterov*
              >
              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              >
              > ------------------------------------
              >
              > To Post a message, send it to: mailto:dogme%40eGroups.com
              > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: mailto:dogme-unsubscribe%40eGroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
              >
              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              >
              >

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            • Robert Horne
              Dennis gets his monicker around, but that doesn t mean he knows what he s talking about. ________________________________ From: Robert Horne
              Message 6 of 28 , Sep 1, 2013
                Dennis gets his monicker around, but that doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about.


                ________________________________
                From: Robert Horne <bretorne@...>
                To: "dogme@yahoogroups.com" <dogme@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 1:27
                Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life


                 

                You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not thinking about the original Dogme (not thinking about 'Dogme', just about your own ideas). Dogme is about people in a room using English, and that's all. If you disagree with Scott and me, check out the original Dogme collective, which was a Danish film production company - probably anarchist-inspired, but that doesn't worry me - which devised this technique (following the French Lettristes and the Situationist International).
                 


                ________________________________
                From: Weynta <mailto:weynta%40yahoo.de>
                To: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                Cc: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 1:13
                Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life


                 

                I would disagree- technology promoting student autonomy and meaning creation- tools - is about as "dogme" as it gets in my book.
                Sent from my iPhone

                On Sep 1, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

                >
                > as I understand it, 'Dogme' is about non-technical ways of working with and off students; Scott's comment - 'It's about people in a room using English'. All this dross is just technobabble nonsense and has nothing to do with Dogme.
                >
                >
                > ________________________________
                > From: Dennis Newson <mailto:djn%40dennisnewson.de>
                > To: l <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>; "mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com>; mailto:learningwithcomputers%40yahoogroups.com; learningtechnologiessig <mailto:LearningTechnologiesSIG%40yahoogroups.com>; gisig <mailto:gisig%40yahoogroups.com>; j <mailto:younglearners%40yahoogroups.com>; TTEdSIG <mailto:ttedsig%40iatefl.org>
                > Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2013, 13:39
                > Subject: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                >
                >
                > Shared with the following lists, groups, with apologies for cross-posting:
                >
                > Facebook Machinema , Dogme, IATEFL Facebook, Webheads,
                > learningwithcomputers, GISIG, YLTSIG, Learning Technology, TTEdSIG, ELTA-OWL
                >
                > Dennis Newson
                >
                > ----------
                >
                > I have just re-discovered and uploaded to YouTube for the first time a 35
                > minute-long video, divided into 10 short uneven clips of between one and
                > eight minutes:
                >
                > *Dogme in Second Life*: *A conversation between Carol Rainbow and Dennis
                > Newson (Osna) – Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life *
                >
                > *Camera and sound: Carol*
                >
                > *----------------------------------*
                >
                > *I suppose these video clips can be classified as machinema, though at the
                > time they were made I, at least, had never heard of machinema! I’m sure
                > Carol had and, I believe, had already made one or two.*
                >
                > *Enjoy. Comments more than welcome.*
                >
                > *----------*
                >
                > *Like all basically lazy people, I try to avoid what I consider to be
                > unnecessary tasks. These videos/machinema are raw – not edited. It is what
                > we say, that, just possibly is of passing interest to some. Technical
                > imperfections are, in my opinion, far lower than “secondary”. Life is too
                > short to edit such videos except under special circumstances.*
                >
                > * *
                >
                > *Dennis aka Osna.*
                >
                > Video 1: http://youtu.be/FTYENQEGppM
                >
                > Video 2: http://youtu.be/EF-DGFDeVpM
                >
                > Video 3: http://youtu.be/cMR5Fdlp_ho
                >
                > Video 4: http://youtu.be/D8Cgz3bQ5X8
                >
                > Video 5: http://youtu.be/U9s6ELnZiMk
                >
                > Video 6: http://youtu.be/bO1q17im7b0
                >
                > Video 7: http://youtu.be/a_1gXzw434A
                >
                > Video 8: http://youtu.be/tVTnQGTDTlU
                >
                > Video 9: http://youtu.be/-rz6aZ7bqvY
                >
                > Video 10: http://youtu.be/Z4UJ2MMPUmM
                >
                > --
                >
                > --
                > *
                >
                > *Dennis Newson*
                > Formerly : University of Osnabrueck, GERMANY
                >
                > Committee member : IATEFL: YLTSIG,Network Coordinator Teens (*T*)
                >
                > Committee Member : IATEFL GISIG
                >
                > Founder: Osna Group Second Life
                >
                > Initiator: MCC - Machinima Creative Club Second Life
                >
                > Winner British Council ELT 05 Team Innovation Award
                >
                > Personal homepage <http://www.dennisnewson.de/>
                >
                > Skype: *Osnacantab*
                > Second Life: *Osnacantab Nesterov*
                >
                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                >
                > ------------------------------------
                >
                > To Post a message, send it to: mailto:dogme%40eGroups.com
                > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: mailto:dogme-unsubscribe%40eGroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
                >
                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                >
                >

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              • Weynta
                Sounds more like dogma than dogme Sent from my iPad ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                Message 7 of 28 , Sep 1, 2013
                  Sounds more like dogma than dogme

                  Sent from my iPad

                  On Sep 1, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Robert Horne <bretorne@...> wrote:

                  > You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not thinking about the original Dogme (not thinking about 'Dogme', just about your own ideas). Dogme is about people in a room using English, and that's all. If you disagree with Scott and me, check out the original Dogme collective, which was a Danish film production company - probably anarchist-inspired, but that doesn't worry me - which devised this technique (following the French Lettristes and the Situationist International).
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > ________________________________
                  > From: Weynta <weynta@...>
                  > To: "dogme@yahoogroups.com" <dogme@yahoogroups.com>
                  > Cc: "dogme@yahoogroups.com" <dogme@yahoogroups.com>
                  > Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 1:13
                  > Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > I would disagree- technology promoting student autonomy and meaning creation- tools - is about as "dogme" as it gets in my book.
                  > Sent from my iPhone
                  >
                  > On Sep 1, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
                  >
                  > >
                  > > as I understand it, 'Dogme' is about non-technical ways of working with and off students; Scott's comment - 'It's about people in a room using English'. All this dross is just technobabble nonsense and has nothing to do with Dogme.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ________________________________
                  > > From: Dennis Newson <mailto:djn%40dennisnewson.de>
                  > > To: l <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>; "mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com>; mailto:learningwithcomputers%40yahoogroups.com; learningtechnologiessig <mailto:LearningTechnologiesSIG%40yahoogroups.com>; gisig <mailto:gisig%40yahoogroups.com>; j <mailto:younglearners%40yahoogroups.com>; TTEdSIG <mailto:ttedsig%40iatefl.org>
                  > > Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2013, 13:39
                  > > Subject: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Shared with the following lists, groups, with apologies for cross-posting:
                  > >
                  > > Facebook Machinema , Dogme, IATEFL Facebook, Webheads,
                  > > learningwithcomputers, GISIG, YLTSIG, Learning Technology, TTEdSIG, ELTA-OWL
                  > >
                  > > Dennis Newson
                  > >
                  > > ----------
                  > >
                  > > I have just re-discovered and uploaded to YouTube for the first time a 35
                  > > minute-long video, divided into 10 short uneven clips of between one and
                  > > eight minutes:
                  > >
                  > > *Dogme in Second Life*: *A conversation between Carol Rainbow and Dennis
                  > > Newson (Osna) – Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life *
                  > >
                  > > *Camera and sound: Carol*
                  > >
                  > > *----------------------------------*
                  > >
                  > > *I suppose these video clips can be classified as machinema, though at the
                  > > time they were made I, at least, had never heard of machinema! I’m sure
                  > > Carol had and, I believe, had already made one or two.*
                  > >
                  > > *Enjoy. Comments more than welcome.*
                  > >
                  > > *----------*
                  > >
                  > > *Like all basically lazy people, I try to avoid what I consider to be
                  > > unnecessary tasks. These videos/machinema are raw – not edited. It is what
                  > > we say, that, just possibly is of passing interest to some. Technical
                  > > imperfections are, in my opinion, far lower than “secondary”. Life is too
                  > > short to edit such videos except under special circumstances.*
                  > >
                  > > * *
                  > >
                  > > *Dennis aka Osna.*
                  > >
                  > > Video 1: http://youtu.be/FTYENQEGppM
                  > >
                  > > Video 2: http://youtu.be/EF-DGFDeVpM
                  > >
                  > > Video 3: http://youtu.be/cMR5Fdlp_ho
                  > >
                  > > Video 4: http://youtu.be/D8Cgz3bQ5X8
                  > >
                  > > Video 5: http://youtu.be/U9s6ELnZiMk
                  > >
                  > > Video 6: http://youtu.be/bO1q17im7b0
                  > >
                  > > Video 7: http://youtu.be/a_1gXzw434A
                  > >
                  > > Video 8: http://youtu.be/tVTnQGTDTlU
                  > >
                  > > Video 9: http://youtu.be/-rz6aZ7bqvY
                  > >
                  > > Video 10: http://youtu.be/Z4UJ2MMPUmM
                  > >
                  > > --
                  > >
                  > > --
                  > > *
                  > >
                  > > *Dennis Newson*
                  > > Formerly : University of Osnabrueck, GERMANY
                  > >
                  > > Committee member : IATEFL: YLTSIG,Network Coordinator Teens (*T*)
                  > >
                  > > Committee Member : IATEFL GISIG
                  > >
                  > > Founder: Osna Group Second Life
                  > >
                  > > Initiator: MCC - Machinima Creative Club Second Life
                  > >
                  > > Winner British Council ELT 05 Team Innovation Award
                  > >
                  > > Personal homepage <http://www.dennisnewson.de/>
                  > >
                  > > Skype: *Osnacantab*
                  > > Second Life: *Osnacantab Nesterov*
                  > >
                  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  > >
                  > > ------------------------------------
                  > >
                  > > To Post a message, send it to: mailto:dogme%40eGroups.com
                  > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: mailto:dogme-unsubscribe%40eGroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
                  > >
                  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  > >
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                • Robert Horne
                  You may think so. If learner-centred learning is problematic, it may have something to do with your teaching. All learning happens from a person, and it has
                  Message 8 of 28 , Sep 1, 2013
                    You may think so. If learner-centred learning is problematic, it may have something to do with your teaching. All learning happens from a person, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with any kind of technology. Learning is about people, not objects.


                    ________________________________
                    From: Weynta <weynta@...>
                    To: "dogme@yahoogroups.com" <dogme@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 1:39
                    Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life


                     

                    Sounds more like dogma than dogme

                    Sent from my iPad

                    On Sep 1, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

                    > You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not thinking about the original Dogme (not thinking about 'Dogme', just about your own ideas). Dogme is about people in a room using English, and that's all. If you disagree with Scott and me, check out the original Dogme collective, which was a Danish film production company - probably anarchist-inspired, but that doesn't worry me - which devised this technique (following the French Lettristes and the Situationist International).
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > ________________________________
                    > From: Weynta <mailto:weynta%40yahoo.de>
                    > To: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > Cc: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 1:13
                    > Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > I would disagree- technology promoting student autonomy and meaning creation- tools - is about as "dogme" as it gets in my book.
                    > Sent from my iPhone
                    >
                    > On Sep 1, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
                    >
                    > >
                    > > as I understand it, 'Dogme' is about non-technical ways of working with and off students; Scott's comment - 'It's about people in a room using English'. All this dross is just technobabble nonsense and has nothing to do with Dogme.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ________________________________
                    > > From: Dennis Newson <mailto:djn%40dennisnewson.de>
                    > > To: l <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>; "mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com>; mailto:learningwithcomputers%40yahoogroups.com; learningtechnologiessig <mailto:LearningTechnologiesSIG%40yahoogroups.com>; gisig <mailto:gisig%40yahoogroups.com>; j <mailto:younglearners%40yahoogroups.com>; TTEdSIG <mailto:ttedsig%40iatefl.org>
                    > > Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2013, 13:39
                    > > Subject: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Shared with the following lists, groups, with apologies for cross-posting:
                    > >
                    > > Facebook Machinema , Dogme, IATEFL Facebook, Webheads,
                    > > learningwithcomputers, GISIG, YLTSIG, Learning Technology, TTEdSIG, ELTA-OWL
                    > >
                    > > Dennis Newson
                    > >
                    > > ----------
                    > >
                    > > I have just re-discovered and uploaded to YouTube for the first time a 35
                    > > minute-long video, divided into 10 short uneven clips of between one and
                    > > eight minutes:
                    > >
                    > > *Dogme in Second Life*: *A conversation between Carol Rainbow and Dennis
                    > > Newson (Osna) – Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life *
                    > >
                    > > *Camera and sound: Carol*
                    > >
                    > > *----------------------------------*
                    > >
                    > > *I suppose these video clips can be classified as machinema, though at the
                    > > time they were made I, at least, had never heard of machinema! I’m sure
                    > > Carol had and, I believe, had already made one or two.*
                    > >
                    > > *Enjoy. Comments more than welcome.*
                    > >
                    > > *----------*
                    > >
                    > > *Like all basically lazy people, I try to avoid what I consider to be
                    > > unnecessary tasks. These videos/machinema are raw – not edited. It is what
                    > > we say, that, just possibly is of passing interest to some. Technical
                    > > imperfections are, in my opinion, far lower than “secondary”. Life is too
                    > > short to edit such videos except under special circumstances.*
                    > >
                    > > * *
                    > >
                    > > *Dennis aka Osna.*
                    > >
                    > > Video 1: http://youtu.be/FTYENQEGppM
                    > >
                    > > Video 2: http://youtu.be/EF-DGFDeVpM
                    > >
                    > > Video 3: http://youtu.be/cMR5Fdlp_ho
                    > >
                    > > Video 4: http://youtu.be/D8Cgz3bQ5X8
                    > >
                    > > Video 5: http://youtu.be/U9s6ELnZiMk
                    > >
                    > > Video 6: http://youtu.be/bO1q17im7b0
                    > >
                    > > Video 7: http://youtu.be/a_1gXzw434A
                    > >
                    > > Video 8: http://youtu.be/tVTnQGTDTlU
                    > >
                    > > Video 9: http://youtu.be/-rz6aZ7bqvY
                    > >
                    > > Video 10: http://youtu.be/Z4UJ2MMPUmM
                    > >
                    > > --
                    > >
                    > > --
                    > > *
                    > >
                    > > *Dennis Newson*
                    > > Formerly : University of Osnabrueck, GERMANY
                    > >
                    > > Committee member : IATEFL: YLTSIG,Network Coordinator Teens (*T*)
                    > >
                    > > Committee Member : IATEFL GISIG
                    > >
                    > > Founder: Osna Group Second Life
                    > >
                    > > Initiator: MCC - Machinima Creative Club Second Life
                    > >
                    > > Winner British Council ELT 05 Team Innovation Award
                    > >
                    > > Personal homepage <http://www.dennisnewson.de/>
                    > >
                    > > Skype: *Osnacantab*
                    > > Second Life: *Osnacantab Nesterov*
                    > >
                    > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    > >
                    > > ------------------------------------
                    > >
                    > > To Post a message, send it to: mailto:dogme%40eGroups.com
                    > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: mailto:dogme-unsubscribe%40eGroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
                    > >
                    > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    > >
                    > >
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                  • Weynta
                    You are not listening to what I am saying....my point is that the tool is not important..it s the interaction- or as you say- the person. However- if the tool
                    Message 9 of 28 , Sep 1, 2013
                      You are not listening to what I am saying....my point is that the tool is not important..it's the interaction- or as you say- the person. However- if the tool can support the person- empower the person, then why would one be opposed to using it.

                      Sent from my iPad

                      On Sep 1, 2013, at 4:15 PM, Robert Horne <bretorne@...> wrote:

                      > You may think so. If learner-centred learning is problematic, it may have something to do with your teaching. All learning happens from a person, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with any kind of technology. Learning is about people, not objects.
                      >
                      >
                      > ________________________________
                      > From: Weynta <weynta@...>
                      > To: "dogme@yahoogroups.com" <dogme@yahoogroups.com>
                      > Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 1:39
                      > Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Sounds more like dogma than dogme
                      >
                      > Sent from my iPad
                      >
                      > On Sep 1, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
                      >
                      > > You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not thinking about the original Dogme (not thinking about 'Dogme', just about your own ideas). Dogme is about people in a room using English, and that's all. If you disagree with Scott and me, check out the original Dogme collective, which was a Danish film production company - probably anarchist-inspired, but that doesn't worry me - which devised this technique (following the French Lettristes and the Situationist International).
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ________________________________
                      > > From: Weynta <mailto:weynta%40yahoo.de>
                      > > To: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > Cc: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 1:13
                      > > Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > I would disagree- technology promoting student autonomy and meaning creation- tools - is about as "dogme" as it gets in my book.
                      > > Sent from my iPhone
                      > >
                      > > On Sep 1, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > >
                      > > > as I understand it, 'Dogme' is about non-technical ways of working with and off students; Scott's comment - 'It's about people in a room using English'. All this dross is just technobabble nonsense and has nothing to do with Dogme.
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > ________________________________
                      > > > From: Dennis Newson <mailto:djn%40dennisnewson.de>
                      > > > To: l <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>; "mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com>; mailto:learningwithcomputers%40yahoogroups.com; learningtechnologiessig <mailto:LearningTechnologiesSIG%40yahoogroups.com>; gisig <mailto:gisig%40yahoogroups.com>; j <mailto:younglearners%40yahoogroups.com>; TTEdSIG <mailto:ttedsig%40iatefl.org>
                      > > > Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2013, 13:39
                      > > > Subject: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Shared with the following lists, groups, with apologies for cross-posting:
                      > > >
                      > > > Facebook Machinema , Dogme, IATEFL Facebook, Webheads,
                      > > > learningwithcomputers, GISIG, YLTSIG, Learning Technology, TTEdSIG, ELTA-OWL
                      > > >
                      > > > Dennis Newson
                      > > >
                      > > > ----------
                      > > >
                      > > > I have just re-discovered and uploaded to YouTube for the first time a 35
                      > > > minute-long video, divided into 10 short uneven clips of between one and
                      > > > eight minutes:
                      > > >
                      > > > *Dogme in Second Life*: *A conversation between Carol Rainbow and Dennis
                      > > > Newson (Osna) – Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life *
                      > > >
                      > > > *Camera and sound: Carol*
                      > > >
                      > > > *----------------------------------*
                      > > >
                      > > > *I suppose these video clips can be classified as machinema, though at the
                      > > > time they were made I, at least, had never heard of machinema! I’m sure
                      > > > Carol had and, I believe, had already made one or two.*
                      > > >
                      > > > *Enjoy. Comments more than welcome.*
                      > > >
                      > > > *----------*
                      > > >
                      > > > *Like all basically lazy people, I try to avoid what I consider to be
                      > > > unnecessary tasks. These videos/machinema are raw – not edited. It is what
                      > > > we say, that, just possibly is of passing interest to some. Technical
                      > > > imperfections are, in my opinion, far lower than “secondary”. Life is too
                      > > > short to edit such videos except under special circumstances.*
                      > > >
                      > > > * *
                      > > >
                      > > > *Dennis aka Osna.*
                      > > >
                      > > > Video 1: http://youtu.be/FTYENQEGppM
                      > > >
                      > > > Video 2: http://youtu.be/EF-DGFDeVpM
                      > > >
                      > > > Video 3: http://youtu.be/cMR5Fdlp_ho
                      > > >
                      > > > Video 4: http://youtu.be/D8Cgz3bQ5X8
                      > > >
                      > > > Video 5: http://youtu.be/U9s6ELnZiMk
                      > > >
                      > > > Video 6: http://youtu.be/bO1q17im7b0
                      > > >
                      > > > Video 7: http://youtu.be/a_1gXzw434A
                      > > >
                      > > > Video 8: http://youtu.be/tVTnQGTDTlU
                      > > >
                      > > > Video 9: http://youtu.be/-rz6aZ7bqvY
                      > > >
                      > > > Video 10: http://youtu.be/Z4UJ2MMPUmM
                      > > >
                      > > > --
                      > > >
                      > > > --
                      > > > *
                      > > >
                      > > > *Dennis Newson*
                      > > > Formerly : University of Osnabrueck, GERMANY
                      > > >
                      > > > Committee member : IATEFL: YLTSIG,Network Coordinator Teens (*T*)
                      > > >
                      > > > Committee Member : IATEFL GISIG
                      > > >
                      > > > Founder: Osna Group Second Life
                      > > >
                      > > > Initiator: MCC - Machinima Creative Club Second Life
                      > > >
                      > > > Winner British Council ELT 05 Team Innovation Award
                      > > >
                      > > > Personal homepage <http://www.dennisnewson.de/>
                      > > >
                      > > > Skype: *Osnacantab*
                      > > > Second Life: *Osnacantab Nesterov*
                      > > >
                      > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      > > >
                      > > > ------------------------------------
                      > > >
                      > > > To Post a message, send it to: mailto:dogme%40eGroups.com
                      > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: mailto:dogme-unsubscribe%40eGroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
                      > > >
                      > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      > > >
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                    • Gavin Dudeney
                      There s the trouble with dogme in a nutshell - full of the strident hardcore who haven t moved on in 13 years. Dennis, Gordon and many others (including the
                      Message 10 of 28 , Sep 1, 2013
                        There's the trouble with dogme in a nutshell - full of the strident hardcore who haven't moved on in 13 years.

                        Dennis, Gordon and many others (including the 'founding fathers') have moved considerably to a centre ground that allows for technology, coursebooks and much more.

                        That was really the only sensible way to go....

                        Gavin

                        On 1 Sep 2013, at 20:33, Robert Horne <bretorne@...> wrote:

                        >
                        > as I understand it, 'Dogme' is about non-technical ways of working with and off students; Scott's comment - 'It's about people in a room using English'. All this dross is just technobabble nonsense and has nothing to do with Dogme.
                        >
                        >
                        > ________________________________
                        > From: Dennis Newson <djn@...>
                        > To: l <dogme@yahoogroups.com>; "evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com" <evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com>; learningwithcomputers@yahoogroups.com; learningtechnologiessig <LearningTechnologiesSIG@yahoogroups.com>; gisig <gisig@yahoogroups.com>; j <younglearners@yahoogroups.com>; TTEdSIG <ttedsig@...>
                        > Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2013, 13:39
                        > Subject: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                        >
                        >
                        > Shared with the following lists, groups, with apologies for cross-posting:
                        >
                        > Facebook Machinema , Dogme, IATEFL Facebook, Webheads,
                        > learningwithcomputers, GISIG, YLTSIG, Learning Technology, TTEdSIG, ELTA-OWL
                        >
                        > Dennis Newson
                        >
                        > ----------
                        >
                        > I have just re-discovered and uploaded to YouTube for the first time a 35
                        > minute-long video, divided into 10 short uneven clips of between one and
                        > eight minutes:
                        >
                        > *Dogme in Second Life*: *A conversation between Carol Rainbow and Dennis
                        > Newson (Osna) – Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life *
                        >
                        > *Camera and sound: Carol*
                        >
                        > *----------------------------------*
                        >
                        > *I suppose these video clips can be classified as machinema, though at the
                        > time they were made I, at least, had never heard of machinema! I’m sure
                        > Carol had and, I believe, had already made one or two.*
                        >
                        > *Enjoy. Comments more than welcome.*
                        >
                        > *----------*
                        >
                        > *Like all basically lazy people, I try to avoid what I consider to be
                        > unnecessary tasks. These videos/machinema are raw – not edited. It is what
                        > we say, that, just possibly is of passing interest to some. Technical
                        > imperfections are, in my opinion, far lower than “secondary”. Life is too
                        > short to edit such videos except under special circumstances.*
                        >
                        > * *
                        >
                        > *Dennis aka Osna.*
                        >
                        > Video 1: http://youtu.be/FTYENQEGppM
                        >
                        > Video 2: http://youtu.be/EF-DGFDeVpM
                        >
                        > Video 3: http://youtu.be/cMR5Fdlp_ho
                        >
                        > Video 4: http://youtu.be/D8Cgz3bQ5X8
                        >
                        > Video 5: http://youtu.be/U9s6ELnZiMk
                        >
                        > Video 6: http://youtu.be/bO1q17im7b0
                        >
                        > Video 7: http://youtu.be/a_1gXzw434A
                        >
                        > Video 8: http://youtu.be/tVTnQGTDTlU
                        >
                        > Video 9: http://youtu.be/-rz6aZ7bqvY
                        >
                        > Video 10: http://youtu.be/Z4UJ2MMPUmM
                        >
                        > --
                        >
                        > --
                        > *
                        >
                        > *Dennis Newson*
                        > Formerly : University of Osnabrueck, GERMANY
                        >
                        > Committee member : IATEFL: YLTSIG,Network Coordinator Teens (*T*)
                        >
                        > Committee Member : IATEFL GISIG
                        >
                        > Founder: Osna Group Second Life
                        >
                        > Initiator: MCC - Machinima Creative Club Second Life
                        >
                        > Winner British Council ELT 05 Team Innovation Award
                        >
                        > Personal homepage <http://www.dennisnewson.de/>
                        >
                        > Skype: *Osnacantab*
                        > Second Life: *Osnacantab Nesterov*
                        >
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                      • Robert Horne
                        I m not, I m just saying don t let the tools take over from the interaction. Simple as that. ________________________________ From: Weynta
                        Message 11 of 28 , Sep 1, 2013
                          I'm not, I'm just saying don't let the tools take over from the interaction. Simple as that.



                          ________________________________
                          From: Weynta <weynta@...>
                          To: "dogme@yahoogroups.com" <dogme@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 1:48
                          Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life


                           

                          You are not listening to what I am saying....my point is that the tool is not important..it's the interaction- or as you say- the person. However- if the tool can support the person- empower the person, then why would one be opposed to using it.

                          Sent from my iPad

                          On Sep 1, 2013, at 4:15 PM, Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

                          > You may think so. If learner-centred learning is problematic, it may have something to do with your teaching. All learning happens from a person, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with any kind of technology. Learning is about people, not objects.
                          >
                          >
                          > ________________________________
                          > From: Weynta <mailto:weynta%40yahoo.de>
                          > To: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 1:39
                          > Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Sounds more like dogma than dogme
                          >
                          > Sent from my iPad
                          >
                          > On Sep 1, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
                          >
                          > > You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not thinking about the original Dogme (not thinking about 'Dogme', just about your own ideas). Dogme is about people in a room using English, and that's all. If you disagree with Scott and me, check out the original Dogme collective, which was a Danish film production company - probably anarchist-inspired, but that doesn't worry me - which devised this technique (following the French Lettristes and the Situationist International).
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ________________________________
                          > > From: Weynta <mailto:weynta%40yahoo.de>
                          > > To: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > Cc: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 1:13
                          > > Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > I would disagree- technology promoting student autonomy and meaning creation- tools - is about as "dogme" as it gets in my book.
                          > > Sent from my iPhone
                          > >
                          > > On Sep 1, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > >
                          > > > as I understand it, 'Dogme' is about non-technical ways of working with and off students; Scott's comment - 'It's about people in a room using English'. All this dross is just technobabble nonsense and has nothing to do with Dogme.
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > ________________________________
                          > > > From: Dennis Newson <mailto:djn%40dennisnewson.de>
                          > > > To: l <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>; "mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com>; mailto:learningwithcomputers%40yahoogroups.com; learningtechnologiessig <mailto:LearningTechnologiesSIG%40yahoogroups.com>; gisig <mailto:gisig%40yahoogroups.com>; j <mailto:younglearners%40yahoogroups.com>; TTEdSIG <mailto:ttedsig%40iatefl.org>
                          > > > Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2013, 13:39
                          > > > Subject: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Shared with the following lists, groups, with apologies for cross-posting:
                          > > >
                          > > > Facebook Machinema , Dogme, IATEFL Facebook, Webheads,
                          > > > learningwithcomputers, GISIG, YLTSIG, Learning Technology, TTEdSIG, ELTA-OWL
                          > > >
                          > > > Dennis Newson
                          > > >
                          > > > ----------
                          > > >
                          > > > I have just re-discovered and uploaded to YouTube for the first time a 35
                          > > > minute-long video, divided into 10 short uneven clips of between one and
                          > > > eight minutes:
                          > > >
                          > > > *Dogme in Second Life*: *A conversation between Carol Rainbow and Dennis
                          > > > Newson (Osna) – Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life *
                          > > >
                          > > > *Camera and sound: Carol*
                          > > >
                          > > > *----------------------------------*
                          > > >
                          > > > *I suppose these video clips can be classified as machinema, though at the
                          > > > time they were made I, at least, had never heard of machinema! I’m sure
                          > > > Carol had and, I believe, had already made one or two.*
                          > > >
                          > > > *Enjoy. Comments more than welcome.*
                          > > >
                          > > > *----------*
                          > > >
                          > > > *Like all basically lazy people, I try to avoid what I consider to be
                          > > > unnecessary tasks. These videos/machinema are raw – not edited. It is what
                          > > > we say, that, just possibly is of passing interest to some. Technical
                          > > > imperfections are, in my opinion, far lower than “secondary”. Life is too
                          > > > short to edit such videos except under special circumstances.*
                          > > >
                          > > > * *
                          > > >
                          > > > *Dennis aka Osna.*
                          > > >
                          > > > Video 1: http://youtu.be/FTYENQEGppM
                          > > >
                          > > > Video 2: http://youtu.be/EF-DGFDeVpM
                          > > >
                          > > > Video 3: http://youtu.be/cMR5Fdlp_ho
                          > > >
                          > > > Video 4: http://youtu.be/D8Cgz3bQ5X8
                          > > >
                          > > > Video 5: http://youtu.be/U9s6ELnZiMk
                          > > >
                          > > > Video 6: http://youtu.be/bO1q17im7b0
                          > > >
                          > > > Video 7: http://youtu.be/a_1gXzw434A
                          > > >
                          > > > Video 8: http://youtu.be/tVTnQGTDTlU
                          > > >
                          > > > Video 9: http://youtu.be/-rz6aZ7bqvY
                          > > >
                          > > > Video 10: http://youtu.be/Z4UJ2MMPUmM
                          > > >
                          > > > --
                          > > >
                          > > > --
                          > > > *
                          > > >
                          > > > *Dennis Newson*
                          > > > Formerly : University of Osnabrueck, GERMANY
                          > > >
                          > > > Committee member : IATEFL: YLTSIG,Network Coordinator Teens (*T*)
                          > > >
                          > > > Committee Member : IATEFL GISIG
                          > > >
                          > > > Founder: Osna Group Second Life
                          > > >
                          > > > Initiator: MCC - Machinima Creative Club Second Life
                          > > >
                          > > > Winner British Council ELT 05 Team Innovation Award
                          > > >
                          > > > Personal homepage <http://www.dennisnewson.de/>
                          > > >
                          > > > Skype: *Osnacantab*
                          > > > Second Life: *Osnacantab Nesterov*
                          > > >
                          > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          > > >
                          > > > ------------------------------------
                          > > >
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                          > > >
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                        • Robert Horne
                          Yes. Well, as one of the hardcore , may I point out that you are just advocating all the stupid, useless techniques which have been advocated by
                          Message 12 of 28 , Sep 1, 2013
                            Yes. Well, as one of the 'hardcore', may I point out that you are just advocating all the stupid, useless techniques which have been advocated by book-producers for donkeys' years? I don't know if you're involved with producing 'CourseBooks', but you sound like you are. I do not need you, nor does any respectable English teacher.


                            ________________________________
                            From: Gavin Dudeney <dudeney@...>
                            To: "dogme@yahoogroups.com" <dogme@yahoogroups.com>
                            Cc: "dogme@yahoogroups.com" <dogme@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 1:56
                            Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life


                             

                            There's the trouble with dogme in a nutshell - full of the strident hardcore who haven't moved on in 13 years.

                            Dennis, Gordon and many others (including the 'founding fathers') have moved considerably to a centre ground that allows for technology, coursebooks and much more.

                            That was really the only sensible way to go....

                            Gavin

                            On 1 Sep 2013, at 20:33, Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

                            >
                            > as I understand it, 'Dogme' is about non-technical ways of working with and off students; Scott's comment - 'It's about people in a room using English'. All this dross is just technobabble nonsense and has nothing to do with Dogme.
                            >
                            >
                            > ________________________________
                            > From: Dennis Newson <mailto:djn%40dennisnewson.de>
                            > To: l <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>; "mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com>; mailto:learningwithcomputers%40yahoogroups.com; learningtechnologiessig <mailto:LearningTechnologiesSIG%40yahoogroups.com>; gisig <mailto:gisig%40yahoogroups.com>; j <mailto:younglearners%40yahoogroups.com>; TTEdSIG <mailto:ttedsig%40iatefl.org>
                            > Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2013, 13:39
                            > Subject: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                            >
                            >
                            > Shared with the following lists, groups, with apologies for cross-posting:
                            >
                            > Facebook Machinema , Dogme, IATEFL Facebook, Webheads,
                            > learningwithcomputers, GISIG, YLTSIG, Learning Technology, TTEdSIG, ELTA-OWL
                            >
                            > Dennis Newson
                            >
                            > ----------
                            >
                            > I have just re-discovered and uploaded to YouTube for the first time a 35
                            > minute-long video, divided into 10 short uneven clips of between one and
                            > eight minutes:
                            >
                            > *Dogme in Second Life*: *A conversation between Carol Rainbow and Dennis
                            > Newson (Osna) – Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life *
                            >
                            > *Camera and sound: Carol*
                            >
                            > *----------------------------------*
                            >
                            > *I suppose these video clips can be classified as machinema, though at the
                            > time they were made I, at least, had never heard of machinema! I’m sure
                            > Carol had and, I believe, had already made one or two.*
                            >
                            > *Enjoy. Comments more than welcome.*
                            >
                            > *----------*
                            >
                            > *Like all basically lazy people, I try to avoid what I consider to be
                            > unnecessary tasks. These videos/machinema are raw – not edited. It is what
                            > we say, that, just possibly is of passing interest to some. Technical
                            > imperfections are, in my opinion, far lower than “secondary”. Life is too
                            > short to edit such videos except under special circumstances.*
                            >
                            > * *
                            >
                            > *Dennis aka Osna.*
                            >
                            > Video 1: http://youtu.be/FTYENQEGppM
                            >
                            > Video 2: http://youtu.be/EF-DGFDeVpM
                            >
                            > Video 3: http://youtu.be/cMR5Fdlp_ho
                            >
                            > Video 4: http://youtu.be/D8Cgz3bQ5X8
                            >
                            > Video 5: http://youtu.be/U9s6ELnZiMk
                            >
                            > Video 6: http://youtu.be/bO1q17im7b0
                            >
                            > Video 7: http://youtu.be/a_1gXzw434A
                            >
                            > Video 8: http://youtu.be/tVTnQGTDTlU
                            >
                            > Video 9: http://youtu.be/-rz6aZ7bqvY
                            >
                            > Video 10: http://youtu.be/Z4UJ2MMPUmM
                            >
                            > --
                            >
                            > --
                            > *
                            >
                            > *Dennis Newson*
                            > Formerly : University of Osnabrueck, GERMANY
                            >
                            > Committee member : IATEFL: YLTSIG,Network Coordinator Teens (*T*)
                            >
                            > Committee Member : IATEFL GISIG
                            >
                            > Founder: Osna Group Second Life
                            >
                            > Initiator: MCC - Machinima Creative Club Second Life
                            >
                            > Winner British Council ELT 05 Team Innovation Award
                            >
                            > Personal homepage <http://www.dennisnewson.de/>
                            >
                            > Skype: *Osnacantab*
                            > Second Life: *Osnacantab Nesterov*
                            >
                            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                            >
                            > ------------------------------------
                            >
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                            > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: mailto:dogme-unsubscribe%40eGroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
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                          • Robert Horne
                            For God s sake, you either have some kind of pattern to follow, or you re just another seeker in the dark.We have all of us moved on, much further than you
                            Message 13 of 28 , Sep 1, 2013
                              For God's sake, you either have some kind of pattern to follow, or you're just another seeker in the dark.We have all of us moved on, much further than you give us credit for, but some of us still accept the basic principles. People in a room using English. What have you got to substitute for that?



                              ________________________________
                              From: Gavin Dudeney <dudeney@...>
                              To: "dogme@yahoogroups.com" <dogme@yahoogroups.com>
                              Cc: "dogme@yahoogroups.com" <dogme@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 1:56
                              Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life


                               

                              There's the trouble with dogme in a nutshell - full of the strident hardcore who haven't moved on in 13 years.

                              Dennis, Gordon and many others (including the 'founding fathers') have moved considerably to a centre ground that allows for technology, coursebooks and much more.

                              That was really the only sensible way to go....

                              Gavin

                              On 1 Sep 2013, at 20:33, Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

                              >
                              > as I understand it, 'Dogme' is about non-technical ways of working with and off students; Scott's comment - 'It's about people in a room using English'. All this dross is just technobabble nonsense and has nothing to do with Dogme.
                              >
                              >
                              > ________________________________
                              > From: Dennis Newson <mailto:djn%40dennisnewson.de>
                              > To: l <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>; "mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com>; mailto:learningwithcomputers%40yahoogroups.com; learningtechnologiessig <mailto:LearningTechnologiesSIG%40yahoogroups.com>; gisig <mailto:gisig%40yahoogroups.com>; j <mailto:younglearners%40yahoogroups.com>; TTEdSIG <mailto:ttedsig%40iatefl.org>
                              > Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2013, 13:39
                              > Subject: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                              >
                              >
                              > Shared with the following lists, groups, with apologies for cross-posting:
                              >
                              > Facebook Machinema , Dogme, IATEFL Facebook, Webheads,
                              > learningwithcomputers, GISIG, YLTSIG, Learning Technology, TTEdSIG, ELTA-OWL
                              >
                              > Dennis Newson
                              >
                              > ----------
                              >
                              > I have just re-discovered and uploaded to YouTube for the first time a 35
                              > minute-long video, divided into 10 short uneven clips of between one and
                              > eight minutes:
                              >
                              > *Dogme in Second Life*: *A conversation between Carol Rainbow and Dennis
                              > Newson (Osna) – Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life *
                              >
                              > *Camera and sound: Carol*
                              >
                              > *----------------------------------*
                              >
                              > *I suppose these video clips can be classified as machinema, though at the
                              > time they were made I, at least, had never heard of machinema! I’m sure
                              > Carol had and, I believe, had already made one or two.*
                              >
                              > *Enjoy. Comments more than welcome.*
                              >
                              > *----------*
                              >
                              > *Like all basically lazy people, I try to avoid what I consider to be
                              > unnecessary tasks. These videos/machinema are raw – not edited. It is what
                              > we say, that, just possibly is of passing interest to some. Technical
                              > imperfections are, in my opinion, far lower than “secondary”. Life is too
                              > short to edit such videos except under special circumstances.*
                              >
                              > * *
                              >
                              > *Dennis aka Osna.*
                              >
                              > Video 1: http://youtu.be/FTYENQEGppM
                              >
                              > Video 2: http://youtu.be/EF-DGFDeVpM
                              >
                              > Video 3: http://youtu.be/cMR5Fdlp_ho
                              >
                              > Video 4: http://youtu.be/D8Cgz3bQ5X8
                              >
                              > Video 5: http://youtu.be/U9s6ELnZiMk
                              >
                              > Video 6: http://youtu.be/bO1q17im7b0
                              >
                              > Video 7: http://youtu.be/a_1gXzw434A
                              >
                              > Video 8: http://youtu.be/tVTnQGTDTlU
                              >
                              > Video 9: http://youtu.be/-rz6aZ7bqvY
                              >
                              > Video 10: http://youtu.be/Z4UJ2MMPUmM
                              >
                              > --
                              >
                              > --
                              > *
                              >
                              > *Dennis Newson*
                              > Formerly : University of Osnabrueck, GERMANY
                              >
                              > Committee member : IATEFL: YLTSIG,Network Coordinator Teens (*T*)
                              >
                              > Committee Member : IATEFL GISIG
                              >
                              > Founder: Osna Group Second Life
                              >
                              > Initiator: MCC - Machinima Creative Club Second Life
                              >
                              > Winner British Council ELT 05 Team Innovation Award
                              >
                              > Personal homepage <http://www.dennisnewson.de/>
                              >
                              > Skype: *Osnacantab*
                              > Second Life: *Osnacantab Nesterov*
                              >
                              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                              >
                              > ------------------------------------
                              >
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                              > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: mailto:dogme-unsubscribe%40eGroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
                              >
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                            • Gavin Dudeney
                              Robert, No, I don t write course books... You re in a dying dogme minority. Enjoy it while you can. Gavin ... [Non-text portions of this message have been
                              Message 14 of 28 , Sep 1, 2013
                                Robert,

                                No, I don't write course books... You're in a dying dogme minority. Enjoy it while you can.

                                Gavin

                                On 1 Sep 2013, at 21:32, Robert Horne <bretorne@...> wrote:

                                >
                                > Yes. Well, as one of the 'hardcore', may I point out that you are just advocating all the stupid, useless techniques which have been advocated by book-producers for donkeys' years? I don't know if you're involved with producing 'CourseBooks', but you sound like you are. I do not need you, nor does any respectable English teacher.
                                >
                                >
                                > ________________________________
                                > From: Gavin Dudeney <dudeney@...>
                                > To: "dogme@yahoogroups.com" <dogme@yahoogroups.com>
                                > Cc: "dogme@yahoogroups.com" <dogme@yahoogroups.com>
                                > Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 1:56
                                > Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > There's the trouble with dogme in a nutshell - full of the strident hardcore who haven't moved on in 13 years.
                                >
                                > Dennis, Gordon and many others (including the 'founding fathers') have moved considerably to a centre ground that allows for technology, coursebooks and much more.
                                >
                                > That was really the only sensible way to go....
                                >
                                > Gavin
                                >
                                > On 1 Sep 2013, at 20:33, Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
                                >
                                > >
                                > > as I understand it, 'Dogme' is about non-technical ways of working with and off students; Scott's comment - 'It's about people in a room using English'. All this dross is just technobabble nonsense and has nothing to do with Dogme.
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > ________________________________
                                > > From: Dennis Newson <mailto:djn%40dennisnewson.de>
                                > > To: l <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>; "mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com>; mailto:learningwithcomputers%40yahoogroups.com; learningtechnologiessig <mailto:LearningTechnologiesSIG%40yahoogroups.com>; gisig <mailto:gisig%40yahoogroups.com>; j <mailto:younglearners%40yahoogroups.com>; TTEdSIG <mailto:ttedsig%40iatefl.org>
                                > > Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2013, 13:39
                                > > Subject: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Shared with the following lists, groups, with apologies for cross-posting:
                                > >
                                > > Facebook Machinema , Dogme, IATEFL Facebook, Webheads,
                                > > learningwithcomputers, GISIG, YLTSIG, Learning Technology, TTEdSIG, ELTA-OWL
                                > >
                                > > Dennis Newson
                                > >
                                > > ----------
                                > >
                                > > I have just re-discovered and uploaded to YouTube for the first time a 35
                                > > minute-long video, divided into 10 short uneven clips of between one and
                                > > eight minutes:
                                > >
                                > > *Dogme in Second Life*: *A conversation between Carol Rainbow and Dennis
                                > > Newson (Osna) – Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life *
                                > >
                                > > *Camera and sound: Carol*
                                > >
                                > > *----------------------------------*
                                > >
                                > > *I suppose these video clips can be classified as machinema, though at the
                                > > time they were made I, at least, had never heard of machinema! I’m sure
                                > > Carol had and, I believe, had already made one or two.*
                                > >
                                > > *Enjoy. Comments more than welcome.*
                                > >
                                > > *----------*
                                > >
                                > > *Like all basically lazy people, I try to avoid what I consider to be
                                > > unnecessary tasks. These videos/machinema are raw – not edited. It is what
                                > > we say, that, just possibly is of passing interest to some. Technical
                                > > imperfections are, in my opinion, far lower than “secondary”. Life is too
                                > > short to edit such videos except under special circumstances.*
                                > >
                                > > * *
                                > >
                                > > *Dennis aka Osna.*
                                > >
                                > > Video 1: http://youtu.be/FTYENQEGppM
                                > >
                                > > Video 2: http://youtu.be/EF-DGFDeVpM
                                > >
                                > > Video 3: http://youtu.be/cMR5Fdlp_ho
                                > >
                                > > Video 4: http://youtu.be/D8Cgz3bQ5X8
                                > >
                                > > Video 5: http://youtu.be/U9s6ELnZiMk
                                > >
                                > > Video 6: http://youtu.be/bO1q17im7b0
                                > >
                                > > Video 7: http://youtu.be/a_1gXzw434A
                                > >
                                > > Video 8: http://youtu.be/tVTnQGTDTlU
                                > >
                                > > Video 9: http://youtu.be/-rz6aZ7bqvY
                                > >
                                > > Video 10: http://youtu.be/Z4UJ2MMPUmM
                                > >
                                > > --
                                > >
                                > > --
                                > > *
                                > >
                                > > *Dennis Newson*
                                > > Formerly : University of Osnabrueck, GERMANY
                                > >
                                > > Committee member : IATEFL: YLTSIG,Network Coordinator Teens (*T*)
                                > >
                                > > Committee Member : IATEFL GISIG
                                > >
                                > > Founder: Osna Group Second Life
                                > >
                                > > Initiator: MCC - Machinima Creative Club Second Life
                                > >
                                > > Winner British Council ELT 05 Team Innovation Award
                                > >
                                > > Personal homepage <http://www.dennisnewson.de/>
                                > >
                                > > Skype: *Osnacantab*
                                > > Second Life: *Osnacantab Nesterov*
                                > >
                                > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                > >
                                > > ------------------------------------
                                > >
                                > > To Post a message, send it to: mailto:dogme%40eGroups.com
                                > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: mailto:dogme-unsubscribe%40eGroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
                                > >
                                > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                > >
                                > >
                                >
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                              • Robert Horne
                                Strange comment. In my experience, I am in the majority.  However, let s not get angry about this, we clearly have different views, and that s ok.
                                Message 15 of 28 , Sep 1, 2013
                                  Strange comment. In my experience, I am in the majority.
                                   However, let's not get angry about this, we clearly have different views, and that's ok.


                                  ________________________________
                                  From: Gavin Dudeney <dudeney@...>
                                  To: "dogme@yahoogroups.com" <dogme@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 2:13
                                  Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life


                                   

                                  Robert,

                                  No, I don't write course books... You're in a dying dogme minority. Enjoy it while you can.

                                  Gavin

                                  On 1 Sep 2013, at 21:32, Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

                                  >
                                  > Yes. Well, as one of the 'hardcore', may I point out that you are just advocating all the stupid, useless techniques which have been advocated by book-producers for donkeys' years? I don't know if you're involved with producing 'CourseBooks', but you sound like you are. I do not need you, nor does any respectable English teacher.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ________________________________
                                  > From: Gavin Dudeney <mailto:dudeney%40gmail.com>
                                  > To: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  > Cc: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  > Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 1:56
                                  > Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > There's the trouble with dogme in a nutshell - full of the strident hardcore who haven't moved on in 13 years.
                                  >
                                  > Dennis, Gordon and many others (including the 'founding fathers') have moved considerably to a centre ground that allows for technology, coursebooks and much more.
                                  >
                                  > That was really the only sensible way to go....
                                  >
                                  > Gavin
                                  >
                                  > On 1 Sep 2013, at 20:33, Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > >
                                  > > as I understand it, 'Dogme' is about non-technical ways of working with and off students; Scott's comment - 'It's about people in a room using English'. All this dross is just technobabble nonsense and has nothing to do with Dogme.
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > ________________________________
                                  > > From: Dennis Newson <mailto:djn%40dennisnewson.de>
                                  > > To: l <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>; "mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com>; mailto:learningwithcomputers%40yahoogroups.com; learningtechnologiessig <mailto:LearningTechnologiesSIG%40yahoogroups.com>; gisig <mailto:gisig%40yahoogroups.com>; j <mailto:younglearners%40yahoogroups.com>; TTEdSIG <mailto:ttedsig%40iatefl.org>
                                  > > Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2013, 13:39
                                  > > Subject: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > Shared with the following lists, groups, with apologies for cross-posting:
                                  > >
                                  > > Facebook Machinema , Dogme, IATEFL Facebook, Webheads,
                                  > > learningwithcomputers, GISIG, YLTSIG, Learning Technology, TTEdSIG, ELTA-OWL
                                  > >
                                  > > Dennis Newson
                                  > >
                                  > > ----------
                                  > >
                                  > > I have just re-discovered and uploaded to YouTube for the first time a 35
                                  > > minute-long video, divided into 10 short uneven clips of between one and
                                  > > eight minutes:
                                  > >
                                  > > *Dogme in Second Life*: *A conversation between Carol Rainbow and Dennis
                                  > > Newson (Osna) – Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life *
                                  > >
                                  > > *Camera and sound: Carol*
                                  > >
                                  > > *----------------------------------*
                                  > >
                                  > > *I suppose these video clips can be classified as machinema, though at the
                                  > > time they were made I, at least, had never heard of machinema! I’m sure
                                  > > Carol had and, I believe, had already made one or two.*
                                  > >
                                  > > *Enjoy. Comments more than welcome.*
                                  > >
                                  > > *----------*
                                  > >
                                  > > *Like all basically lazy people, I try to avoid what I consider to be
                                  > > unnecessary tasks. These videos/machinema are raw – not edited. It is what
                                  > > we say, that, just possibly is of passing interest to some. Technical
                                  > > imperfections are, in my opinion, far lower than “secondary”. Life is too
                                  > > short to edit such videos except under special circumstances.*
                                  > >
                                  > > * *
                                  > >
                                  > > *Dennis aka Osna.*
                                  > >
                                  > > Video 1: http://youtu.be/FTYENQEGppM
                                  > >
                                  > > Video 2: http://youtu.be/EF-DGFDeVpM
                                  > >
                                  > > Video 3: http://youtu.be/cMR5Fdlp_ho
                                  > >
                                  > > Video 4: http://youtu.be/D8Cgz3bQ5X8
                                  > >
                                  > > Video 5: http://youtu.be/U9s6ELnZiMk
                                  > >
                                  > > Video 6: http://youtu.be/bO1q17im7b0
                                  > >
                                  > > Video 7: http://youtu.be/a_1gXzw434A
                                  > >
                                  > > Video 8: http://youtu.be/tVTnQGTDTlU
                                  > >
                                  > > Video 9: http://youtu.be/-rz6aZ7bqvY
                                  > >
                                  > > Video 10: http://youtu.be/Z4UJ2MMPUmM
                                  > >
                                  > > --
                                  > >
                                  > > --
                                  > > *
                                  > >
                                  > > *Dennis Newson*
                                  > > Formerly : University of Osnabrueck, GERMANY
                                  > >
                                  > > Committee member : IATEFL: YLTSIG,Network Coordinator Teens (*T*)
                                  > >
                                  > > Committee Member : IATEFL GISIG
                                  > >
                                  > > Founder: Osna Group Second Life
                                  > >
                                  > > Initiator: MCC - Machinima Creative Club Second Life
                                  > >
                                  > > Winner British Council ELT 05 Team Innovation Award
                                  > >
                                  > > Personal homepage <http://www.dennisnewson.de/>
                                  > >
                                  > > Skype: *Osnacantab*
                                  > > Second Life: *Osnacantab Nesterov*
                                  > >
                                  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                  > >
                                  > > ------------------------------------
                                  > >
                                  > > To Post a message, send it to: mailto:dogme%40eGroups.com
                                  > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: mailto:dogme-unsubscribe%40eGroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
                                  > >
                                  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  >
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                                • Robert Horne
                                  I actually don t like being in the majority, but there it is. ________________________________ From: Robert Horne To:
                                  Message 16 of 28 , Sep 1, 2013
                                    I actually don't like being in the majority, but there it is.


                                    ________________________________
                                    From: Robert Horne <bretorne@...>
                                    To: "dogme@yahoogroups.com" <dogme@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 2:17
                                    Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life


                                     


                                    Strange comment. In my experience, I am in the majority.
                                     However, let's not get angry about this, we clearly have different views, and that's ok.


                                    ________________________________
                                    From: Gavin Dudeney <mailto:dudeney%40gmail.com>
                                    To: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 2:13
                                    Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life


                                     

                                    Robert,

                                    No, I don't write course books... You're in a dying dogme minority. Enjoy it while you can.

                                    Gavin

                                    On 1 Sep 2013, at 21:32, Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

                                    >
                                    > Yes. Well, as one of the 'hardcore', may I point out that you are just advocating all the stupid, useless techniques which have been advocated by book-producers for donkeys' years? I don't know if you're involved with producing 'CourseBooks', but you sound like you are. I do not need you, nor does any respectable English teacher.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > ________________________________
                                    > From: Gavin Dudeney <mailto:dudeney%40gmail.com>
                                    > To: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > Cc: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 1:56
                                    > Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > There's the trouble with dogme in a nutshell - full of the strident hardcore who haven't moved on in 13 years.
                                    >
                                    > Dennis, Gordon and many others (including the 'founding fathers') have moved considerably to a centre ground that allows for technology, coursebooks and much more.
                                    >
                                    > That was really the only sensible way to go....
                                    >
                                    > Gavin
                                    >
                                    > On 1 Sep 2013, at 20:33, Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    > > as I understand it, 'Dogme' is about non-technical ways of working with and off students; Scott's comment - 'It's about people in a room using English'. All this dross is just technobabble nonsense and has nothing to do with Dogme.
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > ________________________________
                                    > > From: Dennis Newson <mailto:djn%40dennisnewson.de>
                                    > > To: l <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>; "mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com>; mailto:learningwithcomputers%40yahoogroups.com; learningtechnologiessig <mailto:LearningTechnologiesSIG%40yahoogroups.com>; gisig <mailto:gisig%40yahoogroups.com>; j <mailto:younglearners%40yahoogroups.com>; TTEdSIG <mailto:ttedsig%40iatefl.org>
                                    > > Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2013, 13:39
                                    > > Subject: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > Shared with the following lists, groups, with apologies for cross-posting:
                                    > >
                                    > > Facebook Machinema , Dogme, IATEFL Facebook, Webheads,
                                    > > learningwithcomputers, GISIG, YLTSIG, Learning Technology, TTEdSIG, ELTA-OWL
                                    > >
                                    > > Dennis Newson
                                    > >
                                    > > ----------
                                    > >
                                    > > I have just re-discovered and uploaded to YouTube for the first time a 35
                                    > > minute-long video, divided into 10 short uneven clips of between one and
                                    > > eight minutes:
                                    > >
                                    > > *Dogme in Second Life*: *A conversation between Carol Rainbow and Dennis
                                    > > Newson (Osna) – Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life *
                                    > >
                                    > > *Camera and sound: Carol*
                                    > >
                                    > > *----------------------------------*
                                    > >
                                    > > *I suppose these video clips can be classified as machinema, though at the
                                    > > time they were made I, at least, had never heard of machinema! I’m sure
                                    > > Carol had and, I believe, had already made one or two.*
                                    > >
                                    > > *Enjoy. Comments more than welcome.*
                                    > >
                                    > > *----------*
                                    > >
                                    > > *Like all basically lazy people, I try to avoid what I consider to be
                                    > > unnecessary tasks. These videos/machinema are raw – not edited. It is what
                                    > > we say, that, just possibly is of passing interest to some. Technical
                                    > > imperfections are, in my opinion, far lower than “secondary”. Life is too
                                    > > short to edit such videos except under special circumstances.*
                                    > >
                                    > > * *
                                    > >
                                    > > *Dennis aka Osna.*
                                    > >
                                    > > Video 1: http://youtu.be/FTYENQEGppM
                                    > >
                                    > > Video 2: http://youtu.be/EF-DGFDeVpM
                                    > >
                                    > > Video 3: http://youtu.be/cMR5Fdlp_ho
                                    > >
                                    > > Video 4: http://youtu.be/D8Cgz3bQ5X8
                                    > >
                                    > > Video 5: http://youtu.be/U9s6ELnZiMk
                                    > >
                                    > > Video 6: http://youtu.be/bO1q17im7b0
                                    > >
                                    > > Video 7: http://youtu.be/a_1gXzw434A
                                    > >
                                    > > Video 8: http://youtu.be/tVTnQGTDTlU
                                    > >
                                    > > Video 9: http://youtu.be/-rz6aZ7bqvY
                                    > >
                                    > > Video 10: http://youtu.be/Z4UJ2MMPUmM
                                    > >
                                    > > --
                                    > >
                                    > > --
                                    > > *
                                    > >
                                    > > *Dennis Newson*
                                    > > Formerly : University of Osnabrueck, GERMANY
                                    > >
                                    > > Committee member : IATEFL: YLTSIG,Network Coordinator Teens (*T*)
                                    > >
                                    > > Committee Member : IATEFL GISIG
                                    > >
                                    > > Founder: Osna Group Second Life
                                    > >
                                    > > Initiator: MCC - Machinima Creative Club Second Life
                                    > >
                                    > > Winner British Council ELT 05 Team Innovation Award
                                    > >
                                    > > Personal homepage <http://www.dennisnewson.de/>
                                    > >
                                    > > Skype: *Osnacantab*
                                    > > Second Life: *Osnacantab Nesterov*
                                    > >
                                    > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                    > >
                                    > > ------------------------------------
                                    > >
                                    > > To Post a message, send it to: mailto:dogme%40eGroups.com
                                    > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: mailto:dogme-unsubscribe%40eGroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
                                    > >
                                    > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    >
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                                  • Robert Horne
                                    So - go ahead, what have you got to substitute for speaking subjects using English? ________________________________ From: Robert Horne
                                    Message 17 of 28 , Sep 1, 2013
                                      So - go ahead, what have you got to substitute for speaking subjects using English?


                                      ________________________________
                                      From: Robert Horne <bretorne@...>
                                      To: "dogme@yahoogroups.com" <dogme@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 2:27
                                      Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life


                                       


                                      I actually don't like being in the majority, but there it is.


                                      ________________________________
                                      From: Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk>
                                      To: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 2:17
                                      Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life


                                       


                                      Strange comment. In my experience, I am in the majority.
                                       However, let's not get angry about this, we clearly have different views, and that's ok.

                                      ________________________________
                                      From: Gavin Dudeney <mailto:dudeney%40gmail.com>
                                      To: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 2:13
                                      Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life

                                       

                                      Robert,

                                      No, I don't write course books... You're in a dying dogme minority. Enjoy it while you can.

                                      Gavin

                                      On 1 Sep 2013, at 21:32, Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

                                      >
                                      > Yes. Well, as one of the 'hardcore', may I point out that you are just advocating all the stupid, useless techniques which have been advocated by book-producers for donkeys' years? I don't know if you're involved with producing 'CourseBooks', but you sound like you are. I do not need you, nor does any respectable English teacher.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > ________________________________
                                      > From: Gavin Dudeney <mailto:dudeney%40gmail.com>
                                      > To: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > Cc: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 1:56
                                      > Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > There's the trouble with dogme in a nutshell - full of the strident hardcore who haven't moved on in 13 years.
                                      >
                                      > Dennis, Gordon and many others (including the 'founding fathers') have moved considerably to a centre ground that allows for technology, coursebooks and much more.
                                      >
                                      > That was really the only sensible way to go....
                                      >
                                      > Gavin
                                      >
                                      > On 1 Sep 2013, at 20:33, Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > >
                                      > > as I understand it, 'Dogme' is about non-technical ways of working with and off students; Scott's comment - 'It's about people in a room using English'. All this dross is just technobabble nonsense and has nothing to do with Dogme.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > ________________________________
                                      > > From: Dennis Newson <mailto:djn%40dennisnewson.de>
                                      > > To: l <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>; "mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com>; mailto:learningwithcomputers%40yahoogroups.com; learningtechnologiessig <mailto:LearningTechnologiesSIG%40yahoogroups.com>; gisig <mailto:gisig%40yahoogroups.com>; j <mailto:younglearners%40yahoogroups.com>; TTEdSIG <mailto:ttedsig%40iatefl.org>
                                      > > Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2013, 13:39
                                      > > Subject: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > Shared with the following lists, groups, with apologies for cross-posting:
                                      > >
                                      > > Facebook Machinema , Dogme, IATEFL Facebook, Webheads,
                                      > > learningwithcomputers, GISIG, YLTSIG, Learning Technology, TTEdSIG, ELTA-OWL
                                      > >
                                      > > Dennis Newson
                                      > >
                                      > > ----------
                                      > >
                                      > > I have just re-discovered and uploaded to YouTube for the first time a 35
                                      > > minute-long video, divided into 10 short uneven clips of between one and
                                      > > eight minutes:
                                      > >
                                      > > *Dogme in Second Life*: *A conversation between Carol Rainbow and Dennis
                                      > > Newson (Osna) – Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life *
                                      > >
                                      > > *Camera and sound: Carol*
                                      > >
                                      > > *----------------------------------*
                                      > >
                                      > > *I suppose these video clips can be classified as machinema, though at the
                                      > > time they were made I, at least, had never heard of machinema! I’m sure
                                      > > Carol had and, I believe, had already made one or two.*
                                      > >
                                      > > *Enjoy. Comments more than welcome.*
                                      > >
                                      > > *----------*
                                      > >
                                      > > *Like all basically lazy people, I try to avoid what I consider to be
                                      > > unnecessary tasks. These videos/machinema are raw – not edited. It is what
                                      > > we say, that, just possibly is of passing interest to some. Technical
                                      > > imperfections are, in my opinion, far lower than “secondary”. Life is too
                                      > > short to edit such videos except under special circumstances.*
                                      > >
                                      > > * *
                                      > >
                                      > > *Dennis aka Osna.*
                                      > >
                                      > > Video 1: http://youtu.be/FTYENQEGppM
                                      > >
                                      > > Video 2: http://youtu.be/EF-DGFDeVpM
                                      > >
                                      > > Video 3: http://youtu.be/cMR5Fdlp_ho
                                      > >
                                      > > Video 4: http://youtu.be/D8Cgz3bQ5X8
                                      > >
                                      > > Video 5: http://youtu.be/U9s6ELnZiMk
                                      > >
                                      > > Video 6: http://youtu.be/bO1q17im7b0
                                      > >
                                      > > Video 7: http://youtu.be/a_1gXzw434A
                                      > >
                                      > > Video 8: http://youtu.be/tVTnQGTDTlU
                                      > >
                                      > > Video 9: http://youtu.be/-rz6aZ7bqvY
                                      > >
                                      > > Video 10: http://youtu.be/Z4UJ2MMPUmM
                                      > >
                                      > > --
                                      > >
                                      > > --
                                      > > *
                                      > >
                                      > > *Dennis Newson*
                                      > > Formerly : University of Osnabrueck, GERMANY
                                      > >
                                      > > Committee member : IATEFL: YLTSIG,Network Coordinator Teens (*T*)
                                      > >
                                      > > Committee Member : IATEFL GISIG
                                      > >
                                      > > Founder: Osna Group Second Life
                                      > >
                                      > > Initiator: MCC - Machinima Creative Club Second Life
                                      > >
                                      > > Winner British Council ELT 05 Team Innovation Award
                                      > >
                                      > > Personal homepage <http://www.dennisnewson.de/>
                                      > >
                                      > > Skype: *Osnacantab*
                                      > > Second Life: *Osnacantab Nesterov*
                                      > >
                                      > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                      > >
                                      > > ------------------------------------
                                      > >
                                      > > To Post a message, send it to: mailto:dogme%40eGroups.com
                                      > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: mailto:dogme-unsubscribe%40eGroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
                                      > >
                                      > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                      > >
                                      > >
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                                    • Robert Horne
                                      Pretentious idiot. ________________________________ From: Robert Horne To: dogme@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday,
                                      Message 18 of 28 , Sep 1, 2013
                                        Pretentious idiot.


                                        ________________________________
                                        From: Robert Horne <bretorne@...>
                                        To: "dogme@yahoogroups.com" <dogme@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 2:34
                                        Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life


                                         


                                        So - go ahead, what have you got to substitute for speaking subjects using English?


                                        ________________________________
                                        From: Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk>
                                        To: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 2:27
                                        Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life


                                         


                                        I actually don't like being in the majority, but there it is.

                                        ________________________________
                                        From: Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk>
                                        To: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 2:17
                                        Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life

                                         

                                        Strange comment. In my experience, I am in the majority.
                                         However, let's not get angry about this, we clearly have different views, and that's ok.

                                        ________________________________
                                        From: Gavin Dudeney <mailto:dudeney%40gmail.com>
                                        To: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 2:13
                                        Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life

                                         

                                        Robert,

                                        No, I don't write course books... You're in a dying dogme minority. Enjoy it while you can.

                                        Gavin

                                        On 1 Sep 2013, at 21:32, Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

                                        >
                                        > Yes. Well, as one of the 'hardcore', may I point out that you are just advocating all the stupid, useless techniques which have been advocated by book-producers for donkeys' years? I don't know if you're involved with producing 'CourseBooks', but you sound like you are. I do not need you, nor does any respectable English teacher.
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > ________________________________
                                        > From: Gavin Dudeney <mailto:dudeney%40gmail.com>
                                        > To: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                                        > Cc: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                                        > Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 1:56
                                        > Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > There's the trouble with dogme in a nutshell - full of the strident hardcore who haven't moved on in 13 years.
                                        >
                                        > Dennis, Gordon and many others (including the 'founding fathers') have moved considerably to a centre ground that allows for technology, coursebooks and much more.
                                        >
                                        > That was really the only sensible way to go....
                                        >
                                        > Gavin
                                        >
                                        > On 1 Sep 2013, at 20:33, Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > >
                                        > > as I understand it, 'Dogme' is about non-technical ways of working with and off students; Scott's comment - 'It's about people in a room using English'. All this dross is just technobabble nonsense and has nothing to do with Dogme.
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > ________________________________
                                        > > From: Dennis Newson <mailto:djn%40dennisnewson.de>
                                        > > To: l <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>; "mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com>; mailto:learningwithcomputers%40yahoogroups.com; learningtechnologiessig <mailto:LearningTechnologiesSIG%40yahoogroups.com>; gisig <mailto:gisig%40yahoogroups.com>; j <mailto:younglearners%40yahoogroups.com>; TTEdSIG <mailto:ttedsig%40iatefl.org>
                                        > > Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2013, 13:39
                                        > > Subject: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > Shared with the following lists, groups, with apologies for cross-posting:
                                        > >
                                        > > Facebook Machinema , Dogme, IATEFL Facebook, Webheads,
                                        > > learningwithcomputers, GISIG, YLTSIG, Learning Technology, TTEdSIG, ELTA-OWL
                                        > >
                                        > > Dennis Newson
                                        > >
                                        > > ----------
                                        > >
                                        > > I have just re-discovered and uploaded to YouTube for the first time a 35
                                        > > minute-long video, divided into 10 short uneven clips of between one and
                                        > > eight minutes:
                                        > >
                                        > > *Dogme in Second Life*: *A conversation between Carol Rainbow and Dennis
                                        > > Newson (Osna) – Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life *
                                        > >
                                        > > *Camera and sound: Carol*
                                        > >
                                        > > *----------------------------------*
                                        > >
                                        > > *I suppose these video clips can be classified as machinema, though at the
                                        > > time they were made I, at least, had never heard of machinema! I’m sure
                                        > > Carol had and, I believe, had already made one or two.*
                                        > >
                                        > > *Enjoy. Comments more than welcome.*
                                        > >
                                        > > *----------*
                                        > >
                                        > > *Like all basically lazy people, I try to avoid what I consider to be
                                        > > unnecessary tasks. These videos/machinema are raw – not edited. It is what
                                        > > we say, that, just possibly is of passing interest to some. Technical
                                        > > imperfections are, in my opinion, far lower than “secondary”. Life is too
                                        > > short to edit such videos except under special circumstances.*
                                        > >
                                        > > * *
                                        > >
                                        > > *Dennis aka Osna.*
                                        > >
                                        > > Video 1: http://youtu.be/FTYENQEGppM
                                        > >
                                        > > Video 2: http://youtu.be/EF-DGFDeVpM
                                        > >
                                        > > Video 3: http://youtu.be/cMR5Fdlp_ho
                                        > >
                                        > > Video 4: http://youtu.be/D8Cgz3bQ5X8
                                        > >
                                        > > Video 5: http://youtu.be/U9s6ELnZiMk
                                        > >
                                        > > Video 6: http://youtu.be/bO1q17im7b0
                                        > >
                                        > > Video 7: http://youtu.be/a_1gXzw434A
                                        > >
                                        > > Video 8: http://youtu.be/tVTnQGTDTlU
                                        > >
                                        > > Video 9: http://youtu.be/-rz6aZ7bqvY
                                        > >
                                        > > Video 10: http://youtu.be/Z4UJ2MMPUmM
                                        > >
                                        > > --
                                        > >
                                        > > --
                                        > > *
                                        > >
                                        > > *Dennis Newson*
                                        > > Formerly : University of Osnabrueck, GERMANY
                                        > >
                                        > > Committee member : IATEFL: YLTSIG,Network Coordinator Teens (*T*)
                                        > >
                                        > > Committee Member : IATEFL GISIG
                                        > >
                                        > > Founder: Osna Group Second Life
                                        > >
                                        > > Initiator: MCC - Machinima Creative Club Second Life
                                        > >
                                        > > Winner British Council ELT 05 Team Innovation Award
                                        > >
                                        > > Personal homepage <http://www.dennisnewson.de/>
                                        > >
                                        > > Skype: *Osnacantab*
                                        > > Second Life: *Osnacantab Nesterov*
                                        > >
                                        > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                        > >
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                                      • Robert Horne
                                        Sorry, life is short and I have no time to talk to fools. ________________________________ From: Robert Horne To:
                                        Message 19 of 28 , Sep 1, 2013
                                          Sorry, life is short and I have no time to talk to fools.


                                          ________________________________
                                          From: Robert Horne <bretorne@...>
                                          To: "dogme@yahoogroups.com" <dogme@yahoogroups.com>
                                          Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 2:42
                                          Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life


                                           


                                          Pretentious idiot.


                                          ________________________________
                                          From: Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk>
                                          To: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 2:34
                                          Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life


                                           


                                          So - go ahead, what have you got to substitute for speaking subjects using English?

                                          ________________________________
                                          From: Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk>
                                          To: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 2:27
                                          Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life

                                           

                                          I actually don't like being in the majority, but there it is.

                                          ________________________________
                                          From: Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk>
                                          To: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 2:17
                                          Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life

                                           

                                          Strange comment. In my experience, I am in the majority.
                                           However, let's not get angry about this, we clearly have different views, and that's ok.

                                          ________________________________
                                          From: Gavin Dudeney <mailto:dudeney%40gmail.com>
                                          To: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 2:13
                                          Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life

                                           

                                          Robert,

                                          No, I don't write course books... You're in a dying dogme minority. Enjoy it while you can.

                                          Gavin

                                          On 1 Sep 2013, at 21:32, Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

                                          >
                                          > Yes. Well, as one of the 'hardcore', may I point out that you are just advocating all the stupid, useless techniques which have been advocated by book-producers for donkeys' years? I don't know if you're involved with producing 'CourseBooks', but you sound like you are. I do not need you, nor does any respectable English teacher.
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > ________________________________
                                          > From: Gavin Dudeney <mailto:dudeney%40gmail.com>
                                          > To: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > Cc: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 1:56
                                          > Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > There's the trouble with dogme in a nutshell - full of the strident hardcore who haven't moved on in 13 years.
                                          >
                                          > Dennis, Gordon and many others (including the 'founding fathers') have moved considerably to a centre ground that allows for technology, coursebooks and much more.
                                          >
                                          > That was really the only sensible way to go....
                                          >
                                          > Gavin
                                          >
                                          > On 1 Sep 2013, at 20:33, Robert Horne <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > >
                                          > > as I understand it, 'Dogme' is about non-technical ways of working with and off students; Scott's comment - 'It's about people in a room using English'. All this dross is just technobabble nonsense and has nothing to do with Dogme.
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > ________________________________
                                          > > From: Dennis Newson <mailto:djn%40dennisnewson.de>
                                          > > To: l <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>; "mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com>; mailto:learningwithcomputers%40yahoogroups.com; learningtechnologiessig <mailto:LearningTechnologiesSIG%40yahoogroups.com>; gisig <mailto:gisig%40yahoogroups.com>; j <mailto:younglearners%40yahoogroups.com>; TTEdSIG <mailto:ttedsig%40iatefl.org>
                                          > > Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2013, 13:39
                                          > > Subject: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > Shared with the following lists, groups, with apologies for cross-posting:
                                          > >
                                          > > Facebook Machinema , Dogme, IATEFL Facebook, Webheads,
                                          > > learningwithcomputers, GISIG, YLTSIG, Learning Technology, TTEdSIG, ELTA-OWL
                                          > >
                                          > > Dennis Newson
                                          > >
                                          > > ----------
                                          > >
                                          > > I have just re-discovered and uploaded to YouTube for the first time a 35
                                          > > minute-long video, divided into 10 short uneven clips of between one and
                                          > > eight minutes:
                                          > >
                                          > > *Dogme in Second Life*: *A conversation between Carol Rainbow and Dennis
                                          > > Newson (Osna) – Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life *
                                          > >
                                          > > *Camera and sound: Carol*
                                          > >
                                          > > *----------------------------------*
                                          > >
                                          > > *I suppose these video clips can be classified as machinema, though at the
                                          > > time they were made I, at least, had never heard of machinema! I’m sure
                                          > > Carol had and, I believe, had already made one or two.*
                                          > >
                                          > > *Enjoy. Comments more than welcome.*
                                          > >
                                          > > *----------*
                                          > >
                                          > > *Like all basically lazy people, I try to avoid what I consider to be
                                          > > unnecessary tasks. These videos/machinema are raw – not edited. It is what
                                          > > we say, that, just possibly is of passing interest to some. Technical
                                          > > imperfections are, in my opinion, far lower than “secondary”. Life is too
                                          > > short to edit such videos except under special circumstances.*
                                          > >
                                          > > * *
                                          > >
                                          > > *Dennis aka Osna.*
                                          > >
                                          > > Video 1: http://youtu.be/FTYENQEGppM
                                          > >
                                          > > Video 2: http://youtu.be/EF-DGFDeVpM
                                          > >
                                          > > Video 3: http://youtu.be/cMR5Fdlp_ho
                                          > >
                                          > > Video 4: http://youtu.be/D8Cgz3bQ5X8
                                          > >
                                          > > Video 5: http://youtu.be/U9s6ELnZiMk
                                          > >
                                          > > Video 6: http://youtu.be/bO1q17im7b0
                                          > >
                                          > > Video 7: http://youtu.be/a_1gXzw434A
                                          > >
                                          > > Video 8: http://youtu.be/tVTnQGTDTlU
                                          > >
                                          > > Video 9: http://youtu.be/-rz6aZ7bqvY
                                          > >
                                          > > Video 10: http://youtu.be/Z4UJ2MMPUmM
                                          > >
                                          > > --
                                          > >
                                          > > --
                                          > > *
                                          > >
                                          > > *Dennis Newson*
                                          > > Formerly : University of Osnabrueck, GERMANY
                                          > >
                                          > > Committee member : IATEFL: YLTSIG,Network Coordinator Teens (*T*)
                                          > >
                                          > > Committee Member : IATEFL GISIG
                                          > >
                                          > > Founder: Osna Group Second Life
                                          > >
                                          > > Initiator: MCC - Machinima Creative Club Second Life
                                          > >
                                          > > Winner British Council ELT 05 Team Innovation Award
                                          > >
                                          > > Personal homepage <http://www.dennisnewson.de/>
                                          > >
                                          > > Skype: *Osnacantab*
                                          > > Second Life: *Osnacantab Nesterov*
                                          > >
                                          > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                          > >
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                                        • Simon Greenall
                                          Dennis, In case it gets overlooked this evening, thank you for posting these insights into Dogme (and Second life), and thank you to both Carol and you for
                                          Message 20 of 28 , Sep 1, 2013
                                            Dennis,

                                            In case it gets overlooked this evening, thank you for posting these
                                            insights into Dogme (and Second life), and thank you to both Carol and you
                                            for taking the time to have the conversation. I learned a lot, and from
                                            Gordon and Gavin's comments.

                                            Simon



                                            -----Original Message-----
                                            From: dogme@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dogme@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                                            Dennis Newson
                                            Sent: 01 September 2013 09:10
                                            To: l; evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com;
                                            learningwithcomputers@yahoogroups.com; learningtechnologiessig; gisig; j;
                                            TTEdSIG
                                            Subject: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life

                                            Shared with the following lists, groups, with apologies for cross-posting:

                                            Facebook Machinema , Dogme, IATEFL Facebook, Webheads,
                                            learningwithcomputers, GISIG, YLTSIG, Learning Technology, TTEdSIG, ELTA-OWL

                                            Dennis Newson

                                            ----------

                                            I have just re-discovered and uploaded to YouTube for the first time a 35
                                            minute-long video, divided into 10 short uneven clips of between one and
                                            eight minutes:

                                            *Dogme in Second Life*: *A conversation between Carol Rainbow and Dennis
                                            Newson (Osna) - Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life *

                                            *Camera and sound: Carol*

                                            *----------------------------------*

                                            *I suppose these video clips can be classified as machinema, though at the
                                            time they were made I, at least, had never heard of machinema! I'm sure
                                            Carol had and, I believe, had already made one or two.*

                                            *Enjoy. Comments more than welcome.*

                                            *----------*

                                            *Like all basically lazy people, I try to avoid what I consider to be
                                            unnecessary tasks. These videos/machinema are raw - not edited. It is what
                                            we say, that, just possibly is of passing interest to some. Technical
                                            imperfections are, in my opinion, far lower than "secondary". Life is too
                                            short to edit such videos except under special circumstances.*

                                            * *

                                            *Dennis aka Osna.*



                                            Video 1: http://youtu.be/FTYENQEGppM

                                            Video 2: http://youtu.be/EF-DGFDeVpM

                                            Video 3: http://youtu.be/cMR5Fdlp_ho

                                            Video 4: http://youtu.be/D8Cgz3bQ5X8

                                            Video 5: http://youtu.be/U9s6ELnZiMk

                                            Video 6: http://youtu.be/bO1q17im7b0

                                            Video 7: http://youtu.be/a_1gXzw434A

                                            Video 8: http://youtu.be/tVTnQGTDTlU

                                            Video 9: http://youtu.be/-rz6aZ7bqvY

                                            Video 10: http://youtu.be/Z4UJ2MMPUmM






                                            --

                                            --
                                            *

                                            *Dennis Newson*
                                            Formerly : University of Osnabrueck, GERMANY


                                            Committee member : IATEFL: YLTSIG,Network Coordinator Teens (*T*)

                                            Committee Member : IATEFL GISIG

                                            Founder: Osna Group Second Life

                                            Initiator: MCC - Machinima Creative Club Second Life

                                            Winner British Council ELT 05 Team Innovation Award

                                            Personal homepage <http://www.dennisnewson.de/>

                                            Skype: *Osnacantab*
                                            Second Life: *Osnacantab Nesterov*


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                                          • Robert Horne
                                            I recall second life from some time ago when I tried it out. In case it gets overlooked in this conversation, it s another dozy take on pretend existence.
                                            Message 21 of 28 , Sep 1, 2013
                                              I recall second life from some time ago when I tried it out. In case it gets overlooked in this conversation, it's another dozy take on pretend existence. There are some of us who try  to have a first life - it may not be easy, but there you go.

                                               

                                              ________________________________
                                              From: Simon Greenall <simon.greenall@...>
                                              To: dogme@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 3:17
                                              Subject: RE: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life


                                               

                                              Dennis,

                                              In case it gets overlooked this evening, thank you for posting these
                                              insights into Dogme (and Second life), and thank you to both Carol and you
                                              for taking the time to have the conversation. I learned a lot, and from
                                              Gordon and Gavin's comments.

                                              Simon

                                              -----Original Message-----
                                              From: mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                                              Dennis Newson
                                              Sent: 01 September 2013 09:10
                                              To: l; mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com;
                                              mailto:learningwithcomputers%40yahoogroups.com; learningtechnologiessig; gisig; j;
                                              TTEdSIG
                                              Subject: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life

                                              Shared with the following lists, groups, with apologies for cross-posting:

                                              Facebook Machinema , Dogme, IATEFL Facebook, Webheads,
                                              learningwithcomputers, GISIG, YLTSIG, Learning Technology, TTEdSIG, ELTA-OWL

                                              Dennis Newson

                                              ----------

                                              I have just re-discovered and uploaded to YouTube for the first time a 35
                                              minute-long video, divided into 10 short uneven clips of between one and
                                              eight minutes:

                                              *Dogme in Second Life*: *A conversation between Carol Rainbow and Dennis
                                              Newson (Osna) - Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life *

                                              *Camera and sound: Carol*

                                              *----------------------------------*

                                              *I suppose these video clips can be classified as machinema, though at the
                                              time they were made I, at least, had never heard of machinema! I'm sure
                                              Carol had and, I believe, had already made one or two.*

                                              *Enjoy. Comments more than welcome.*

                                              *----------*

                                              *Like all basically lazy people, I try to avoid what I consider to be
                                              unnecessary tasks. These videos/machinema are raw - not edited. It is what
                                              we say, that, just possibly is of passing interest to some. Technical
                                              imperfections are, in my opinion, far lower than "secondary". Life is too
                                              short to edit such videos except under special circumstances.*

                                              * *

                                              *Dennis aka Osna.*

                                              Video 1: http://youtu.be/FTYENQEGppM

                                              Video 2: http://youtu.be/EF-DGFDeVpM

                                              Video 3: http://youtu.be/cMR5Fdlp_ho

                                              Video 4: http://youtu.be/D8Cgz3bQ5X8

                                              Video 5: http://youtu.be/U9s6ELnZiMk

                                              Video 6: http://youtu.be/bO1q17im7b0

                                              Video 7: http://youtu.be/a_1gXzw434A

                                              Video 8: http://youtu.be/tVTnQGTDTlU

                                              Video 9: http://youtu.be/-rz6aZ7bqvY

                                              Video 10: http://youtu.be/Z4UJ2MMPUmM

                                              --

                                              --
                                              *

                                              *Dennis Newson*
                                              Formerly : University of Osnabrueck, GERMANY

                                              Committee member : IATEFL: YLTSIG,Network Coordinator Teens (*T*)

                                              Committee Member : IATEFL GISIG

                                              Founder: Osna Group Second Life

                                              Initiator: MCC - Machinima Creative Club Second Life

                                              Winner British Council ELT 05 Team Innovation Award

                                              Personal homepage <http://www.dennisnewson.de/>

                                              Skype: *Osnacantab*
                                              Second Life: *Osnacantab Nesterov*

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                                            • M C Johnstone
                                              Hi Robert, I think you re right, that Dogma attempts to background technology but within a context of focusing on teaching and learning that is significant and
                                              Message 22 of 28 , Sep 1, 2013
                                                Hi Robert,



                                                I think you're right, that Dogma attempts to background technology but
                                                within a context of focusing on teaching and learning that is
                                                significant and important to students. This often means that it is
                                                materials-lite and activity oriented.



                                                I have seen Dogma demonstrations that place the teacher front and
                                                center - often in the context of a demonstration with a "class"
                                                specificaly assembled for the purpose of the demonstration - and I have
                                                seen it demonstrated by a teacher sitting in the grass at the edge of a
                                                group of students all busy amongst themselves (in fact, I think that
                                                was Dennis sitting there).



                                                What technologies people use to connect and communicate is up to them -
                                                it could be tablet computers connected over public networks, it could
                                                be a smartboard, or it could be a plank and a burnt stick. I don't
                                                think it matters so much. What does matter is that people are connected
                                                and engaged in learning that is meanigful and important to them.



                                                Mark



                                                On Sun, Sep 1, 2013, at 10:33 PM, Robert Horne wrote:



                                                as I understand it, 'Dogme' is about non-technical ways of working
                                                with and off students; Scott's comment - 'It's about people in a room
                                                using English'. All this dross is just technobabble nonsense and has
                                                nothing to do with Dogme.


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                                                Subject: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life


                                                Shared with the following lists, groups, with apologies for
                                                cross-posting:

                                                Facebook Machinema , Dogme, IATEFL Facebook, Webheads,
                                                learningwithcomputers, GISIG, YLTSIG, Learning Technology, TTEdSIG,
                                                ELTA-OWL

                                                Dennis Newson

                                                ----------

                                                I have just re-discovered and uploaded to YouTube for the first time a
                                                35
                                                minute-long video, divided into 10 short uneven clips of between one
                                                and
                                                eight minutes:

                                                *Dogme in Second Life*: *A conversation between Carol Rainbow and
                                                Dennis
                                                Newson (Osna) – Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life *

                                                *Camera and sound: Carol*

                                                *----------------------------------*

                                                *I suppose these video clips can be classified as machinema, though at
                                                the
                                                time they were made I, at least, had never heard of machinema! I’m sure
                                                Carol had and, I believe, had already made one or two.*

                                                *Enjoy. Comments more than welcome.*

                                                *----------*

                                                *Like all basically lazy people, I try to avoid what I consider to be
                                                unnecessary tasks. These videos/machinema are raw – not edited. It is
                                                what
                                                we say, that, just possibly is of passing interest to some. Technical
                                                imperfections are, in my opinion, far lower than “secondary”. Life is
                                                too
                                                short to edit such videos except under special circumstances.*

                                                * *

                                                *Dennis aka Osna.*

                                                Video 1: [10]http://youtu.be/FTYENQEGppM

                                                Video 2: [11]http://youtu.be/EF-DGFDeVpM

                                                Video 3: [12]http://youtu.be/cMR5Fdlp_ho

                                                Video 4: [13]http://youtu.be/D8Cgz3bQ5X8

                                                Video 5: [14]http://youtu.be/U9s6ELnZiMk

                                                Video 6: [15]http://youtu.be/bO1q17im7b0

                                                Video 7: [16]http://youtu.be/a_1gXzw434A

                                                Video 8: [17]http://youtu.be/tVTnQGTDTlU

                                                Video 9: [18]http://youtu.be/-rz6aZ7bqvY

                                                Video 10: [19]http://youtu.be/Z4UJ2MMPUmM

                                                --

                                                --
                                                *

                                                *Dennis Newson*
                                                Formerly : University of Osnabrueck, GERMANY

                                                Committee member : IATEFL: YLTSIG,Network Coordinator Teens (*T*)

                                                Committee Member : IATEFL GISIG

                                                Founder: Osna Group Second Life

                                                Initiator: MCC - Machinima Creative Club Second Life

                                                Winner British Council ELT 05 Team Innovation Award

                                                Personal homepage <[20]http://www.dennisnewson.de/>

                                                Skype: *Osnacantab*
                                                Second Life: *Osnacantab Nesterov*

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                                              • M C Johnstone
                                                I remember the Situationists, and was drawn to them in the early 80s. I think that Dogme fits in well with Situationist thinking thorough its emphasis on
                                                Message 23 of 28 , Sep 1, 2013
                                                  I remember the Situationists, and was drawn to them in the early 80s. I
                                                  think that Dogme fits in well with Situationist thinking thorough its
                                                  emphasis on learner-centeredness, the submersion of the "teacher" as a
                                                  source of authority and order, and its focus on learner autonomy and
                                                  spontaneous self-organization.



                                                  Dogma - as I understand it - also rejects the tyranny of coursebooks,
                                                  gadgets, and all the other branded paraphernalia shoved at both
                                                  students and teachers, as if learning were something that could be
                                                  bought and sold - a commodity. Rejection of classroom as spectacle is -
                                                  I believe - common among those who know and use some form of Dogme.



                                                  Mark





                                                  On Sun, Sep 1, 2013, at 11:01 PM, Robert Horne wrote:




                                                  May I add that I am, and have been for twenty years or more, a
                                                  Situationist.


                                                  ________________________________
                                                  From: Robert Horne <[1]bretorne@...>
                                                  To: "[2]dogme@yahoogroups.com" <[3]dogme@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 1:27
                                                  Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life




                                                  You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not thinking about the
                                                  original Dogme (not thinking about 'Dogme', just about your own ideas).
                                                  Dogme is about people in a room using English, and that's all. If you
                                                  disagree with Scott and me, check out the original Dogme collective,
                                                  which was a Danish film production company - probably
                                                  anarchist-inspired, but that doesn't worry me - which devised this
                                                  technique (following the French Lettristes and the Situationist
                                                  International).


                                                  ________________________________
                                                  From: Weynta <mailto:weynta%40yahoo.de>
                                                  To: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                  Cc: "mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                  Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 1:13
                                                  Subject: Re: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life



                                                  I would disagree- technology promoting student autonomy and meaning
                                                  creation- tools - is about as "dogme" as it gets in my book.
                                                  Sent from my iPhone

                                                  On Sep 1, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Robert Horne
                                                  <mailto:bretorne%40yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

                                                  >
                                                  > as I understand it, 'Dogme' is about non-technical ways of working
                                                  with and off students; Scott's comment - 'It's about people in a room
                                                  using English'. All this dross is just technobabble nonsense and has
                                                  nothing to do with Dogme.
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > ________________________________
                                                  > From: Dennis Newson <mailto:djn%40dennisnewson.de>
                                                  > To: l <mailto:dogme%40yahoogroups.com>;
                                                  "mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com"
                                                  <mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com>;
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                                                  > Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2013, 13:39
                                                  > Subject: [dogme] Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > Shared with the following lists, groups, with apologies for
                                                  cross-posting:
                                                  >
                                                  > Facebook Machinema , Dogme, IATEFL Facebook, Webheads,
                                                  > learningwithcomputers, GISIG, YLTSIG, Learning Technology, TTEdSIG,
                                                  ELTA-OWL
                                                  >
                                                  > Dennis Newson
                                                  >
                                                  > ----------
                                                  >
                                                  > I have just re-discovered and uploaded to YouTube for the first time
                                                  a 35
                                                  > minute-long video, divided into 10 short uneven clips of between one
                                                  and
                                                  > eight minutes:
                                                  >
                                                  > *Dogme in Second Life*: *A conversation between Carol Rainbow and
                                                  Dennis
                                                  > Newson (Osna) – Teaching a la Dogme in Second Life *
                                                  >
                                                  > *Camera and sound: Carol*
                                                  >
                                                  > *----------------------------------*
                                                  >
                                                  > *I suppose these video clips can be classified as machinema, though
                                                  at the
                                                  > time they were made I, at least, had never heard of machinema! I’m
                                                  sure
                                                  > Carol had and, I believe, had already made one or two.*
                                                  >
                                                  > *Enjoy. Comments more than welcome.*
                                                  >
                                                  > *----------*
                                                  >
                                                  > *Like all basically lazy people, I try to avoid what I consider to be
                                                  > unnecessary tasks. These videos/machinema are raw – not edited. It is
                                                  what
                                                  > we say, that, just possibly is of passing interest to some. Technical
                                                  > imperfections are, in my opinion, far lower than “secondary”. Life is
                                                  too
                                                  > short to edit such videos except under special circumstances.*
                                                  >
                                                  > * *
                                                  >
                                                  > *Dennis aka Osna.*
                                                  >
                                                  > Video 1: [4]http://youtu.be/FTYENQEGppM
                                                  >
                                                  > Video 2: [5]http://youtu.be/EF-DGFDeVpM
                                                  >
                                                  > Video 3: [6]http://youtu.be/cMR5Fdlp_ho
                                                  >
                                                  > Video 4: [7]http://youtu.be/D8Cgz3bQ5X8
                                                  >
                                                  > Video 5: [8]http://youtu.be/U9s6ELnZiMk
                                                  >
                                                  > Video 6: [9]http://youtu.be/bO1q17im7b0
                                                  >
                                                  > Video 7: [10]http://youtu.be/a_1gXzw434A
                                                  >
                                                  > Video 8: [11]http://youtu.be/tVTnQGTDTlU
                                                  >
                                                  > Video 9: [12]http://youtu.be/-rz6aZ7bqvY
                                                  >
                                                  > Video 10: [13]http://youtu.be/Z4UJ2MMPUmM
                                                  >
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                                                  >
                                                  > *Dennis Newson*
                                                  > Formerly : University of Osnabrueck, GERMANY
                                                  >
                                                  > Committee member : IATEFL: YLTSIG,Network Coordinator Teens (*T*)
                                                  >
                                                  > Committee Member : IATEFL GISIG
                                                  >
                                                  > Founder: Osna Group Second Life
                                                  >
                                                  > Initiator: MCC - Machinima Creative Club Second Life
                                                  >
                                                  > Winner British Council ELT 05 Team Innovation Award
                                                  >
                                                  > Personal homepage <[14]http://www.dennisnewson.de/>
                                                  >
                                                  > Skype: *Osnacantab*
                                                  > Second Life: *Osnacantab Nesterov*
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                                                • M C Johnstone
                                                  Hi Robert, You say: If learner-centred learning is problematic, it may have something to do with your teaching. All learning happens from a person, and it
                                                  Message 24 of 28 , Sep 1, 2013
                                                    Hi Robert,



                                                    You say: " If learner-centred learning is problematic, it may have
                                                    something to do with your teaching. All learning happens from a person,
                                                    and it has nothing whatsoever to do with any kind of technology.
                                                    Learning is about people, not objects."
                                                    I agree entirely with this.



                                                    In my experience, most a majority of teachers who have problems with
                                                    learner centered teaching cannot let go of their imagined "authority"
                                                    over students. They cannot trust students to know what they are doing
                                                    and why, and they cannot trust themselves to teach. They are mostly
                                                    diven by fear of authority over them and insecurity in their role in
                                                    the classroom.



                                                    This is true in education generally, but especially rampant in ESL, an
                                                    industry organized around the sale of useless, ineffective merchandise
                                                    and never ending "courses of treatment" that - like quack medicine - is
                                                    proven only to fail.


                                                    Mark


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                                                  • Robert Haines
                                                    I d like to add my thanks, to Dennis and Carol, for the production and distribution of this series of videos. I ve just finished taking in the third
                                                    Message 25 of 28 , Sep 5, 2013
                                                      I'd like to add my thanks, to Dennis and Carol, for the production and distribution of this series of videos. I've just finished taking in the third installment, which has Dennis and Carol seated in Dogme Gardens, chatting about their virtual environs, Dogme luminary Scott Thornbury, and an example of a Romanian student who seems to have benefited quite well from a Dogme approach in Second Life. I look forward to the rest of the videos and encourage everyone to have a look and listen.

                                                      As one of the co-moderators of this list, it seems relevant to say that ad hominem remarks have never seemed very constructive in furthering intelligent, articulate arguments in our online discussions. Most every list member I've encountered here is perfectly capable of such discussion, and, to me, it's best for all of us if it stays that way. It's refreshing to read recent posts in this vein.

                                                      I've been teaching a group of twenty young adult learners (about 18-24 in age range) for the past few weeks. This is our intensive summer term of English Language Learning, which means about four hours a day with each other before we move on to fall term when the students take one other course along with English Language Learning. What a wonderful group this is, and how eager they seem to learn! It's made the transition from a lovely summer spent mainly outdoors here in the Pacific Northwest to an air-conditioned classroom all the easier - of course, we've had more than one class outside!

                                                      Wishing you all well,
                                                      Rob
                                                      On Sep 1, 2013, at 7:36 PM, M C Johnstone wrote:

                                                       

                                                      Hi Robert,

                                                      You say: " If learner-centred learning is problematic, it may have
                                                      something to do with your teaching. All learning happens from a person,
                                                      and it has nothing whatsoever to do with any kind of technology.
                                                      Learning is about people, not objects."
                                                      I agree entirely with this.

                                                      In my experience, most a majority of teachers who have problems with
                                                      learner centered teaching cannot let go of their imagined "authority"
                                                      over students. They cannot trust students to know what they are doing
                                                      and why, and they cannot trust themselves to teach. They are mostly
                                                      diven by fear of authority over them and insecurity in their role in
                                                      the classroom.

                                                      This is true in education generally, but especially rampant in ESL, an
                                                      industry organized around the sale of useless, ineffective merchandise
                                                      and never ending "courses of treatment" that - like quack medicine - is
                                                      proven only to fail.

                                                      Mark

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                                                    • barbarelah
                                                      I agree with you Mark, Also, if a teacher is over protective towards the lessons and SS then there is a lot of pressure to achieve the desired outcome
                                                      Message 26 of 28 , Sep 18, 2013
                                                        I agree with you Mark,
                                                        Also, if a teacher is "over protective" towards the lessons and SS then there is a lot of pressure to achieve the desired outcome planned by the teacher, which isn't realistic and can make the lessons too controlled.
                                                        Once upon a time I learned English and then started teaching it, so in my experience the less I try and control my lessons, and consequently my SS, the more SS tend to acquire the language and enjoy the process.
                                                        A good example is clear when I'm being observed. The lesson is never as good as I would like it to be and I end up forgetting to do the things I normally and naturally do and often over-plan, because I feel under pressure.
                                                        I like Dogme approach and I use it in addition to course books and other materials. I also adapt the activities as I see fit, but I'm still too scared to do so in an observed lesson, because observers have an agenda to fulfill and aren't flexible.

                                                        I trust my SS know what they want t learn, as some are highly educated adults, so when I'm doing Dogme style lessons I feel like an old- fashion flight attendant: there to do everything I can to make the passengers' experience as pleasant as possible. Of course respecting my duties as a teacher which includes: ensuring total student engagement to avoid the lesson going astray; helping SS with the language they need and want to learn and facilitating the process in a smooth and supportive way.


                                                        --- In dogme@yahoogroups.com, M C Johnstone <mcjsa@...> wrote:
                                                        >
                                                        > Hi Robert,
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > You say: " If learner-centred learning is problematic, it may have
                                                        > something to do with your teaching. All learning happens from a person,
                                                        > and it has nothing whatsoever to do with any kind of technology.
                                                        > Learning is about people, not objects."
                                                        > I agree entirely with this.
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > In my experience, most a majority of teachers who have problems with
                                                        > learner centered teaching cannot let go of their imagined "authority"
                                                        > over students. They cannot trust students to know what they are doing
                                                        > and why, and they cannot trust themselves to teach. They are mostly
                                                        > diven by fear of authority over them and insecurity in their role in
                                                        > the classroom.
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > This is true in education generally, but especially rampant in ESL, an
                                                        > industry organized around the sale of useless, ineffective merchandise
                                                        > and never ending "courses of treatment" that - like quack medicine - is
                                                        > proven only to fail.
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > Mark
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                                        >
                                                      • M C Johnstone
                                                        Hi Barbarella, I understand what you mean by being overprotective towards lessons, as if lessons were things that needed to be protected. A lot of teachers
                                                        Message 27 of 28 , Sep 18, 2013
                                                          Hi Barbarella,
                                                           
                                                          I understand what you mean by being "overprotective" towards lessons, as if lessons were things that needed to be protected. A lot of teachers feel this way I think. They imagine how things ought to go and think it is their responsibility to ensure that everything goes "as planned". What they are really planning is learning and learning is something that no one can reasonably plan - expecially if you are talking about 20 or 30 people engaged in what must be 20 or 30 individual activities all at once.
                                                           
                                                          I've been setting a lot of collaborative work lately. It isn't-self directed - they have to give me something at the end - but the collaboration is very productive. Collaboration requires me to let go of some authority as a teacher and mobilizes a "teaching presence" among students which dilutes my role and helps them to become more autonomous in their learning.
                                                           
                                                          Mark
                                                           
                                                           
                                                          On Wed, Sep 18, 2013, at 02:06 PM, barbarelah wrote:
                                                           


                                                          I agree with you Mark,
                                                          Also, if a teacher is "over protective" towards the lessons and SS then there is a lot of pressure to achieve the desired outcome planned by the teacher, which isn't realistic and can make the lessons too controlled.
                                                          Once upon a time I learned English and then started teaching it, so in my experience the less I try and control my lessons, and consequently my SS, the more SS tend to acquire the language and enjoy the process.
                                                          A good example is clear when I'm being observed. The lesson is never as good as I would like it to be and I end up forgetting to do the things I normally and naturally do and often over-plan, because I feel under pressure.
                                                          I like Dogme approach and I use it in addition to course books and other materials. I also adapt the activities as I see fit, but I'm still too scared to do so in an observed lesson, because observers have an agenda to fulfill and aren't flexible.
                                                           
                                                          I trust my SS know what they want t learn, as some are highly educated adults, so when I'm doing Dogme style lessons I feel like an old- fashion flight attendant: there to do everything I can to make the passengers' experience as pleasant as possible. Of course respecting my duties as a teacher which includes: ensuring total student engagement to avoid the lesson going astray; helping SS with the language they need and want to learn and facilitating the process in a smooth and supportive way.
                                                           
                                                          --- In dogme@yahoogroups.com, M C Johnstone <mcjsa@...> wrote:
                                                          >
                                                          > Hi Robert,
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          > You say: " If learner-centred learning is problematic, it may have
                                                          > something to do with your teaching. All learning happens from a person,
                                                          > and it has nothing whatsoever to do with any kind of technology.
                                                          > Learning is about people, not objects."
                                                          > I agree entirely with this.
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          > In my experience, most a majority of teachers who have problems with
                                                          > learner centered teaching cannot let go of their imagined "authority"
                                                          > over students. They cannot trust students to know what they are doing
                                                          > and why, and they cannot trust themselves to teach. They are mostly
                                                          > diven by fear of authority over them and insecurity in their role in
                                                          > the classroom.
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          > This is true in education generally, but especially rampant in ESL, an
                                                          > industry organized around the sale of useless, ineffective merchandise
                                                          > and never ending "courses of treatment" that - like quack medicine - is
                                                          > proven only to fail.
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          > Mark
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                                          >
                                                           

                                                           
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                                                        • Dennis Newson
                                                          Barbarella and Mark I ve just read your recent messages to the list and wallow in the coal-face reports of what has often been called on this list Dogme
                                                          Message 28 of 28 , Sep 18, 2013
                                                            Barbarella and Mark I've just read your recent messages to the list and wallow in the "coal-face" reports of what has often been called on this list "Dogme moments". As Mark writes, the Dogme teacher is one who learns to let go - the teacher loosens  hold and this enables the learners to make learning progress on their own - to go.

                                                            Dennis

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                                                            On 18 September 2013 19:37, M C Johnstone <mcjsa@...> wrote:
                                                             

                                                            Hi Barbarella,
                                                             
                                                            I understand what you mean by being "overprotective" towards lessons, as if lessons were things that needed to be protected. A lot of teachers feel this way I think. They imagine how things ought to go and think it is their responsibility to ensure that everything goes "as planned". What they are really planning is learning and learning is something that no one can reasonably plan - expecially if you are talking about 20 or 30 people engaged in what must be 20 or 30 individual activities all at once.
                                                             
                                                            I've been setting a lot of collaborative work lately. It isn't-self directed - they have to give me something at the end - but the collaboration is very productive. Collaboration requires me to let go of some authority as a teacher and mobilizes a "teaching presence" among students which dilutes my role and helps them to become more autonomous in their learning.
                                                             
                                                            Mark
                                                             
                                                             
                                                            On Wed, Sep 18, 2013, at 02:06 PM, barbarelah wrote:
                                                             


                                                            I agree with you Mark,
                                                            Also, if a teacher is "over protective" towards the lessons and SS then there is a lot of pressure to achieve the desired outcome planned by the teacher, which isn't realistic and can make the lessons too controlled.
                                                            Once upon a time I learned English and then started teaching it, so in my experience the less I try and control my lessons, and consequently my SS, the more SS tend to acquire the language and enjoy the process.
                                                            A good example is clear when I'm being observed. The lesson is never as good as I would like it to be and I end up forgetting to do the things I normally and naturally do and often over-plan, because I feel under pressure.
                                                            I like Dogme approach and I use it in addition to course books and other materials. I also adapt the activities as I see fit, but I'm still too scared to do so in an observed lesson, because observers have an agenda to fulfill and aren't flexible.
                                                             
                                                            I trust my SS know what they want t learn, as some are highly educated adults, so when I'm doing Dogme style lessons I feel like an old- fashion flight attendant: there to do everything I can to make the passengers' experience as pleasant as possible. Of course respecting my duties as a teacher which includes: ensuring total student engagement to avoid the lesson going astray; helping SS with the language they need and want to learn and facilitating the process in a smooth and supportive way.
                                                             
                                                            --- In dogme@yahoogroups.com, M C Johnstone <mcjsa@...> wrote:
                                                            >
                                                            > Hi Robert,
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            > You say: " If learner-centred learning is problematic, it may have
                                                            > something to do with your teaching. All learning happens from a person,
                                                            > and it has nothing whatsoever to do with any kind of technology.
                                                            > Learning is about people, not objects."
                                                            > I agree entirely with this.
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            > In my experience, most a majority of teachers who have problems with
                                                            > learner centered teaching cannot let go of their imagined "authority"
                                                            > over students. They cannot trust students to know what they are doing
                                                            > and why, and they cannot trust themselves to teach. They are mostly
                                                            > diven by fear of authority over them and insecurity in their role in
                                                            > the classroom.
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            > This is true in education generally, but especially rampant in ESL, an
                                                            > industry organized around the sale of useless, ineffective merchandise
                                                            > and never ending "courses of treatment" that - like quack medicine - is
                                                            > proven only to fail.
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            > Mark
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                                            >
                                                             

                                                             


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