Re: Affordable dlp resin
- Hi all,
I think I can shed some light on the right price of resin.
UV reactive resin are actually produced in huge quantities for the furniture industry since the 90's
Most panel furniture you see at ie Ikea is actually finished with UV resin, because it is one of the most competitive ways to give panels a nice finish.
I'm no expert on the chemistry, but as far as price goes, the base materials and technology is exatly the same. Monomer of some kind, photoinitiator and your pigments.
I used to buy UV resin, normally 3-500 kg/batch of different colours and I spend a lot of time getting the best price. This business is quite competitive and sales reps battled to get your business.
Usually the resin is tweaked to fit your needs for rolling, spraying and your UV lamp setup.
Prices ranges from 10-20 EUR/kg, clear being the cheapest and solid white being most expensive.
Now, these prices are a few years old, but I don't believe the have moved must.
For distribution of 1kg bottles its properly fair to assume the price for 1kg of clear resin will eventually end up around 25 EUR + freight + VAT.
The reason it is not 25 EUR, is only the lack of volume, for these companies to engage.
I have visited their production plants several time and they have a huge expertise, but 1-off orders of 100kg simply makes no sense to them.
And the road to volume is lots of printers consuming resin, and the way to achieve that is to have a
good price, fast and reliable printer available - and in my opinion that is still missing.
And btw - this forum have gone very quite - where did you all go?
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "dlp_builder" <drs_eureka@...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> As you will remember, I'm the guy who designed his own resin. You must have seen the pictures of my prints and my DIY printer in the Photo section.
> After a lot of positive reactions from members of various 3d groups, I decided to make the resin commercially available to all at an affordable price.
> I can't do it all om my own, so that's why I'm currently looking for 3D Dlp printer enthusiasts who want to distribute the resin in various countries, and in that way keeping the shipping costs low for the end-users.
> Not everything is sorted out yet, but I'm getting there. Please read all about this venture on my web-site: www.funtodo.net
> See you there!
- The way to circumvent VAT is by shipping from a person to person as a gift and declare a lower amount on the CN22/CN71 and the like. I do have a company, but prefer the person to person as I'm not taxed and have to account for everything that I purchase or sell. The administrative burden/laws/precautions/regulations is rather high on chemicals/paints/epoxy/resins/UV inks etc.
There is no point in feeding the machine that declares wars and then all our efforts in printing and resin go into the mouths of blood thirsty idiots and the war machine without even asking us.
--- In email@example.com, <grezmos@...> wrote:in any case I was simply explaining that small companies will not be able to offer lower prices because they are not VAT registered as the VAT always gets paid. I'm not really sure of the relevance of your saying so I thought I would be silly. I am in the UK, VAT on most food is zero.Edible resin is the key!Graham
On 23 Aug 2013, at 23:06, "dlp_builder" <drs_eureka@...> wrote:
Cant remember from which country you are from, but in the Netherlands we have a low Vat tax on things you can't do without. Milk, bread, loo paper they are the low Vat rate like 6 percent. So even when wipe your a.. you feel f..... By the government....
-- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Graham Stabler <grezmos@...> wrote:
> There is no VAT on milk :)
> On 23 Aug 2013, at 21:09, "dlp_builder" <drs_eureka@...> wrote:
> > Hi Graham,
> > When you and I buy milk, we have to pay Vat. Are we going to blame the cow or the government?
> > Danny
> > --- In email@example.com, Graham Stabler <grezmos@> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Tim <tj.parnell@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On the VAT issue, in UK only bigger companies charge VAT - if you are
> > > > turning over under certain amount you don't have to register for VAT. So
> > > > again, the smaller hobbyist/reseller/distributor will be cheaper.
> > > >
> > >
> > > But even the smallest guy will have to pay VAT on import and that will end
> > > up added to the price. A larger company will pay the same VAT on import but
> > > claim it back before then adding it again to the final price charged, that
> > > way there may be some reduction in price but it depends on the mark up. The
> > > VAT on import also includes VAT on the shipping.
> > >
> > > Graham
> > >