78Re: [Divina Commedia] Who was the man?
- Nov 7, 2006Hello Ron,
Again you're thinking I've said things I haven't, unless you're in some way thinking that being bothered by Church damnation of sincerely good people is the same as disagreeing with Church doctrine. I do believe his particular point did trouble Dante, but not to the point of rejecting Church doctrine. I have neither said Dante was not a Catholic, nor that his work was not a profoundly Catholic work. That doesn't mean he didn't judge men for what they were and place certain popes in hell.
The fact that Dante was profoundly influenced by Catholic thought when he wrote his work also does not mean you that have to be a Catholic, or even a Christian, to appreciate it. As with popes, books too can be judged for what they are, and his was a profound work.
Dante gave no signs of disagreeing with any of the Catholic Church's
doctrine. In fact the stated purpose of the Commedia was to present
that relgion. Virgil's place in the Commedia was completely
consistent with the then understood state of theology. I don't know
where you get the idea that he was uneasy about it.
Having said that, realize that he was working with the contemporary
understanding and theological speculation, based on reason, not
proclaimed dogma. In fact today the Catholic Church has officially
repudiated the notion that we can presume to guess anyone's fate.
There is room for the possibility that even pagans, who follow their
consciences and live righteously, may be saved in spite of their
religion. You see God judges us by our consciences. The problem is
that pagans, like Virgil, did not know about the possibility of
forgiveness. Their fate is entirely up to God's judgement.
Remember, the Commedia is fiction and allegory. The purpose is to
present the ladder to perfection, not to relate historical fact.
Though, obviously, Dante interjected his own political views as well.
--- In email@example.com, "David Camp" <dcamp@...>
>Dante as a magician (the original question was how was he viewed in
> Hello Ron,
> When I noted that some in his day were said to have viewed
his day), I was not suggesting that he viewed himself that way. He
was very obviously a follower of the same religion as everyone
immediately around him even if he was uneasy about having to condemn
people like Virgil, a person more worthy of respect than the popes
of his own day, to some sort of hell. Dante's poem is profoundly
influenced by the religion he was taught growing up. He was such a
powerful artist that he made visions of hell much more vivid for
many millions who followed, yet hell is not what his poem about. It
was about rising above all of that. I agree with that completely.
> I am in an unusual situation in that I am working on a vastspiritual project (the equivalent of 20,000,000 words if what they
say about pictures is true) which is to serve as a sort of bookend
to Dante's work when it is done, but I am not a Catholic. I am only
interested in Spirit and God, not names or religions. There is
symmetry in the fact that my inner guide and teacher is Dostoevsky.
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