Re: England Civil Registration
- Alison: I just go to my bank (Royal) and ask for a money order and there is no charge...American or International.----- Original Message -----From: ForteSent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:46 PMSubject: Re: England Civil RegistrationWith the increases in copy prices does anyone know where you can get money orders cheap?It's not the increase in copies that has me in a flap so much as it is that the minimum charge has gone up to US $4.00 as well. I guess I won't be sending the cash in an envelope anymore. ....I know I should have done that in the first place, but I just hate having to pay the CDN $5.00 service charge for a money order especially when it's for such a small amount. Is there a better way? ...Any ideas...? Thanks.Genealogically yours,Researching: FORTE, FERRARA, DUDLEY, THOMAS
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NIVEN Family Connections: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~niven----- Original Message -----From: Ellen KinghornSent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 6:48 PMSubject: Re: England Civil RegistrationIf I understand this recent increase in fees correctly, does this not help
us make a case for the Calgary Family History Centre to bring in the Ontario
Civil Registrations for births, marriages and deaths?
I would be more willing to pay for the films to come into the Calgary Centre
and stay here, than to send $32 U.S. to Salt Lake City to have 8
I realize other alternatives exist. I can drive to the Edmonton (220 miles)
or Lethbridge (120 miles)Family History Centres several times a year.
Edmonton has films of the actual certificates for most years. It is only
the most recent years that are sporadic.
In addition, I would really like to see the indexes to the registrations up
on the internet. (I don't want much do I?).
Thanks for confirming the "nasty rumor", Judi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judi Lee" <judi.lee@...>
To: <dist-gen@...>; "Carol Lylyk" <plylyk@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 11:40 AM
Subject: RE: England Civil Registration
> It is true that the cost of photocopies from Salt Lake has gone up to
early 1980s. The cost will now
> be US $2.00 per copy from census records, microfilms, and books (where
> numbers are provided). There is a US $4.00 minimum charge per request.
> charge for a copy of an IGI source will remain at US $2.00. Postage
> are included in the price of the copy.
> Judi Lee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-dist-gen@... [mailto:owner-dist-gen@...]On
> Behalf Of Carol Lylyk
> Sent: August 6, 2002 9:12 AM
> To: Peter van Schaik; dist-gen@...
> Subject: Re: England Civil Registration
> I received a batch of photocopies from Salt Lake City a week ago which I
> requested on form
> #31768 and there was no mention of the cost going up but there is another
> form that you can order
> copies of entries on the IGI that they charge 2.00 for. Also on that form
> (#31831) there was a
> space where you could order copies of microfiche for .25 cents. Maybe
> is what they have
> changed. I sure hope so because I still have lots of copies I would like
> Carol Lylyk
> Calgary, Alberta
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter van Schaik" <peter.van.schaik@...>
> To: <dist-gen@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:42 AM
> Subject: Re: England Civil Registration
> > At 11:05 PM 8/5/02 -0600, you wrote:
> > >At 10:16 PM 05/08/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> > >>In matter of fact , Salt Lake will make 8 copies for the $2 US you
> > >
> > >In my last batch of copies received from the FHL in Salt Lake City, I
> > >received a notice stating that the price of copies was going up to
> > >EACH copy; minimum of $4.00 charge per request. This is for copies
> > >census records, books, microfilm/fiche and patron submissions, which
> > >formerly cost 25 cents apiece with a minimum of $2.00 charge per
> > >Regards,
> > >Eileen
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- I do the same - but it requires that you have Royal Certified Service to
get this benefit.
Alison: I just go to my bank (Royal) and ask for a money order and
there is no charge...American or International.
Judith Rempel, Webster
Alberta Family Histories Society
Canadian Genealogical Projects Register
- That's in the process of changing at thr Royal, regardless of what
service you have. I believe that effective July 1, if you purchase more
than twelve money orders in a calendar year, the charge will be
$10.00/order (after the free 12). It's something like that, but your
Royal Bank can tell you the specifics, if you ask.
Judith Rempel wrote:
> I do the same - but it requires that you have Royal Certified Service to
> get this benefit.
> Alison: I just go to my bank (Royal) and ask for a money order and
> there is no charge...American or International.
> In Kinship,
> Judith Rempel, Webster
> JR Solutions
> Alberta Family Histories Society
> Canadian Genealogical Projects Register
> FamilyRoots 2002
> From Ancestry.com I have a number of people where I have the RecordSorry that I did not join in this discussion sooner but I have had problems
> Type, District, Year, Quarter, Volume and Page#
> Can I get certificates through the LDS or do I hve to get them through
> the PRO. Or would a researcher be better to get me these certificates.
with my e-mail service.
You cannot get English civil registration certificates from the LDS.
My advice on obtaining civil registration certificates is undernoted.
First, however, I have a couple of comments to make:
1. It is true that if a marriage appears in the IGI or the British Vital
Records Index you can get a copy of the entry in the church register from
SLC providing you correctly identify the source.
Some disadvantages to this approach are:
(a) Many post-1837 church registers have not been filmed by the LDS.
(b) The time lapse for obtaining a photocopy from SLC is two months.
This was my personal experience when applying for a copy of a Scottish
marriage certificate earlier this year.
(c) The new charge (effective January 1, 2003) of $4 US minimum/order
has to be taken into account.
2. From several contributors to this discussion it is apparent that they
are concerned about the cost of a sterling money order from the bank. If
this is a concern and you prefer to use a credit card then you have two
(a) You can purchase a certificate from the Office of National
Statistics (General Register Office), Southport (using a credit card) in
one of two ways:
Order by telephone on +44 (0)870 243 77 88
Fax +44(0)1704 550013
See their website:
for full details. The cost is 8 pounds sterling with full GRO Reference
number. Note that if you give an incorrect GRO reference number you will
not receive a certificate and an administration fee of four pounds, fifty
pence will be charged. Note also that no refund under five pounds will be
issued to an overseas applicant. In effect, therefore, you will have paid 8
pounds for nothing.
(b) You can use a Record Agent to obtain the certificate for you. Many
professional researchers advertise their services in the Family Tree
Magazine (copies at the FHC and in the AFHS library). For faster service
choose one who has an e-mail address. Some dist-gen members (Peter van
Schaik among them) can recommend reliable agents.
* * *
Now for my suggested course of action.
Write to the Register Office where the event was registered. DO NOT quote
the volume and page number (GRO reference number). Be sure to quote the
quarter and year in which you found the entry on the indexes.
Theoretically, they will search for an event for five years but it is much
better to check the indexes first before placing your order.
Check the current address for the Register Office in question at:
Enclose a sterling cheque or money order for seven pounds. This includes
return airmail postage.
There should be no difficulty in obtaining a copy of a birth or death
certificate from the local Register Office. It has been my experience that
local offices give return mail service so you can expect to receive the
certificate in about 3 weeks.
If the event is a marriage the local Register Office needs to have some
idea of the church where the marriage took place. If you do not know the
particular church but know the area where the bride lived before marriage
that would be helpful. This is because in a large city there could be 30 or
more marriage registers and it is too time-consuming for the staff at the
Register Office to look through them all to find your marriage. What they
will do is to look in the register for the mother church of the area, plus
the Register Office's own register. Their register will contain all
non-conformist marriages where a Registrar was required to be present up to
at least 1898, plus all marriages that took place in the Register Office
If for any reason the local Register Office cannot provide a copy of the
event requested they will return your money in full and refer you to the
General Register Office at Southport (this office deals with all postal
If it is necessary to write to Southport you need to quote the full GRO
The cost is eight pounds sterling if you supply the full GRO reference
number. Without the reference number the cost is 11 pounds. The mailing
General Register Office
PO Box 2
Southport, Merseyside, PR8 2JD
Service from Southport is generally slower than from a local Register
I hope this helps.