Yes, that is true, but you would have to of
course recognize that certain email, and if you have dozens of emails sitting
for preview it is certainly easy to miss one of those. And that is exactly
what happened to a computer in the north end of Saskatoon late yesterday.
In regards to the new virus issue, the one with the attached hyperlink, it was
my feeling that you would have to click on this hyperlink to be taken to an
infected url site, but I have now been informed that outlook and outlook express
will sometimes go to that hyperlink without you even having to ask for it, thus
the serious nature of that type of e-mail. And this information
comes from another computer security expert I know , here is her
Apparently, Al, from what I understand...you do not have to
Merely previewing it in the preview pane activates the
works through a hole in security of IE and Outlook or OE
that). My guess is that the URL could be where it
I just received several emails from one of the
teachers on our LVS group in this regard. Many of them have switched to
Mozilla Thunderbird or Eudora. I am in fact going to download the Tbird
today, on my test computer, and see how it performs. I will insert
part of Beckies emails after my signature here. The Tbird can be
Beckie is a computer consultant in the states
and has many clients and is disabling Outlook Express and Outlook on
her clients machines, and installing the software mentioned
Yep it is. I tried a lot of other programs and
never found one I liked
as much as NN Communicator 4.x so stayed with that
old workhorse. What
I really wanted was a stand alone email program
that would play with all
browsers and easily import my email groups - most
would only import the
addresses not the myriad groups I have set up for
The browser issue was important - I use Opera as
my primary. TBird has
no problem with Opera, IE, Firefox (their
standalone browser), Netscape,
etc. With the last version of TBird I
found I really liked it! So now
I've switched over totally.
of the nice things about it is that I can make it look like OE for
clients in many ways, which is comforting if they are willing to
switch. There are some differences in operations, of course, but not
too bad. Oh, and you can have multiple identities (which was a pain
under the old NN). For those who have used NN email in the past,
however, this it is very similar so it feels comfortable to them
Butzi and debbieT have both recently changed over and they were OE
I think, so they may have some good input on the subject. There
lot of plugins that can be added to expand the capability of the
Yes, in TBird you can have all kinds of identities... multiple
sub identities under 1 POP. Let's see if I can pretend I
1. I use bpetersinc address as my main
POP3 email; all of my other
email addresses simply forward to it. [As
an aside the reason I do that
is because my ISP has subscribed to Postini
for spam control and I LOVE
that service!] So what I can do with TBird
is set up identities one of
a. I can set up my LVS
address as if it was a totally separate POP even
tho it's not - this gives
me a totally separate set of folders for LVS
email. Different inbox,
etc. When I check my main email, I have
filters in place that send LVS
email to the LVS folder system. When I
use the LVS address to reply,
however, my settings say "use my default
identity's SMTP settings to
b. Or I can set up my LVS address as a sub identity of my
identity and keep the LVS folders all in that inbox.
you have multiple POP3s, you can set up an identity for each of them
either use their outgoing server or stick with the default
server. Each POP3 identity has it's own set of folders,
You can collect email for each identity by click on that
your Folder Pane and then on Get Mail; or you can add a plugin
automatically collects all of them. In other words, connects to
then disconnects and moves on to the next. You can of course also
any/all identities to auto collect email every so often.
use any identity to answer email in any inbox/folder... it's
a pulldown list in the email form. It will default to
the address for
that identity but you then change it with a click.
There is a plugin that
lets you hold all written email and then send it
all at once... some OE
users really like this aspect. The default is
for it to send each
email as you complete it and press Send.
To uninstall and/or upgrade
TBird in XP you simply delete the TBird
folder in the Program directory of
your computer. All settings are
stored in the User's default area in
XP... I don't know where they
install on Win9x but they have instructions on
it. Oh, and the email is
kept in a Flat File so it's easy to search
outside of the program for
someone like me who needs archives of client
email. I simply copied out
the old email files I wanted for archival
purposes and removed them from
my normal installation to keep it
clean. Same thing with the address
books, if you have multiples.
You can add them back in as needed - I
pulled out a huge client address book
for a client I'm not working with
right now and already tested adding it
back. Easy Peasy! "-)
Probably more than you asked.
hehehe. I am having my morning coffee
and got carried away.
think there is a lot of good about it. It might not be for everyone
yet, but they are really moving ahead with making it a really feature
On the Bagle topic, the problem is that beginning with
Variant Q (I
think it said) you don't have to click on anything if you have
Preview Pane open. That's the vulnerability... the coding in the
embedded HTML in the email triggers just be viewing the email. You
know, it is really irritating that these people have nothing better to
do than spend their time writing this stuff, isn't it? Sheesh. I
only imagine they have low self esteem and need to feel powerful.
shaking head. Good luck with your friends machines!
Oh, back to
the TBird issue: They have a great help site, run by a
volunteer. The link to it is on the Mozilla site where you download
Now I'm on a roll. "-)
I wanted to tell you one more
thing, Al, that I really like in TBird...
the Filters. Each
identity (maybe not sub identities) has it's own set
of filters which you
can configure and they of course auto run when
email is coming in.
However, you can run any filter on any folder under
What I use this for is I set up filters for email TO
each of my
current/ongoing clients... then I run the filter on my Sent
voila! My replies get sorted and filed into the correct
folder! That saves me a huge amount of time. Once I've
I can basically just delete the rest since I don't keep
I forgot to specify in my earlier email that I set up the Local
system as my permanent archive and that those are the email files I
be searching and copying in/out as needed.
And finally... there
is a Junk Mail system in TBird. You can turn on a
as part of it. So if something is not tagged as junk
mail I highlight
it and click a button, from then on anything like that
is "learned" as junk
mail and automatically goes to the Junk folder.
You can then look at
the Junk Mail folder every now and then and empty
it or mark something as
Not Junk, which again the program "learns".
Ok, I better get back to work now.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 9:49
Subject: FW: bagle alert
will be of intrest/concern to many.
willing to be corrected, but I believe that using a webmail or mailwasher tool
that allows one to review/delete e-mail BEFORE it is migrated to one's
computer is a way to dodge this particular virus threat. If correction
is needed, please reply to ALL.
is a search engine-positioning consultant as well as a Mennonite family
historian living in Saskatoon.
From: Al Mierau
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 6:48
From Al Mierau's desk.
March 19, 2004
Hackers unleash virus with a twist
B Y J E F F LE E
CanWest News Service
(The Vancouver Sun)
VA N C O U V E R
Five new variants of
an e-mail virus break new ground in that recipients are no longer required to
open attachments to infect their computers. The new variants of the Bagle
virus which was discovered in January exploit flaws in Microsofts
Internet Explorer, Outlook and Media Player programs to run a small hyper text
language message that downloads the virus directly into the target computer.
Although Microsoft issued a patch last October to fix the flaws, it may not be
enough to prevent new variants of the Bagle virus from infecting users
computers, according to a Korean antivirus company.
Eric Kwon, chief
executive officer of Global Hauri, which identified three of the variants
shortly after they were released overnight yesterday, said the virus is still
triggered if users try to save the message on computers that have been patched
with the Microsoft fix.
We found that even a patched computer is still
vulnerable if someone tries to save the message, Mr. Kwon said.
companies around the world began reporting the new variants, called Bagle-P,
Q, R, S and T, overnight as users began to open messages that did not contain
attachments. Computers in Korea and Australia were first hit early yesterday,
with thousands of machines being infected as people went to work. Users in
Britain later began to experience computer problems. The impact was expected
to widen across time zones.
In the past, viruses could be spread only by
users opening email attachments, which would then trigger self-propagating
worm programs embedded in the attachments. But the new variants carry a
web-based URL or hyper text message in the body of the e-mail that triggers
the computer to download a copy of the worm from infected computers.
turns off some security and antivirus programs and disables firewalls,
according to Chris Belthoff, senior security analyst with Sophos, an antivirus
company with offices in Vancouver.
This is a pretty serious new twist,
he said from Sophoss antivirus lab in Boston.