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  • g4awj
    I use Ham Radio Deluxe via CAT to control my transceiver and programs apart from PSK and DM780 and my radio log I also use MMSSTV that has and associated
    Message 1 of 28 , Oct 11, 2009
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      I use Ham Radio Deluxe via CAT to control my transceiver and programs
      apart from PSK and DM780 and my radio log I also use MMSSTV that has and associated
      HRDPTT.DLL so I can operate MMSSTV PTT thru HRD, my problem is that to use Easypal I have to close down HRD and then use an interface to have PTT for easypal,cannot the powers that be produce a DLL such as HRDPT
      so that easypal operates thru HRD, many HRD and easypal users I have spoke to would welcome this.
      Gordon.G4AWJ.
    • Andy Eskelson
      I have found HRD to be a bit broken in terms of comms, (it cannot handle multiple ICOM Rigs on the CI-V interface). I had a long play with HRD trying to get it
      Message 2 of 28 , Oct 12, 2009
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        I have found HRD to be a bit broken in terms of comms, (it cannot handle
        multiple ICOM Rigs on the CI-V interface). I had a long play with HRD
        trying to get it to work, and I almost suceeded. Unfort. HRD itself was
        the problem in my case, so it got deleted, and I've never looked at it
        since. (This was about over a year ago)

        However during testing I found a very useful utility that you might like
        to try. It's called VSPE, Virtual Serial Port Emulator. as the name
        implies it allows you to set up a virtual com port, (or several) and
        direct the comms between them. As all you need to do in this case is to
        direct the CAT commands to the rig you can simply set up a shared com
        port.

        VSPE and HRD worked fine in terms of passing data from the virtual com
        port to the physical port. From memory I set up a simple splitter device
        called com10 which used the real com4 port as the physical device. VSPE
        allows a com port to be opened multiple times by different applications,
        so you just configure HRD to use com 10, and Easypal to do the same.
        VSPE will do the sharing for you. I think it would be worth a try.


        The software is free, and has a few other
        useful functions. It's a good "toolbox" utility.

        See:

        http://www.eterlogic.com/Products.VSPE.html


        Andy





        On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:22:51 -0000
        "g4awj" <gordon.g4awj@...> wrote:

        > I use Ham Radio Deluxe via CAT to control my transceiver and programs
        > apart from PSK and DM780 and my radio log I also use MMSSTV that has and associated
        > HRDPTT.DLL so I can operate MMSSTV PTT thru HRD, my problem is that to use Easypal I have to close down HRD and then use an interface to have PTT for easypal,cannot the powers that be produce a DLL such as HRDPT
        > so that easypal operates thru HRD, many HRD and easypal users I have spoke to would welcome this.
        > Gordon.G4AWJ.
        >
      • Gordon Thomas
        Tks feeedback, have used HRD for ages now and now on HRD V5 and no problems I control my IC7400 and FT847 with it also use the PSK31, DM780 SSTV and the LOG
        Message 3 of 28 , Oct 12, 2009
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            Tks feeedback, have used HRD for ages now and now on
             HRD V5 and no problems I control my IC7400 and FT847
             with it also use the PSK31, DM780 SSTV and the LOG 
             book, also via HRDPTT patch I use MMSSTV for other
             modes not covered by DM 780, my only problem is that
             as stated I have to closed down to use easypal PTT via a
             interface, however,your multiple port software sound very 
             interesting and I shall investigate the possiblities. 
             I find easypal a superb program within itself but if one   
             could
             tie it in with another CAT program that is in use, and there
             are so many available on the net.
             Once again thanks for feedback and it is another avenue
             for checking .
             regards Gordon.
          ----- Original Message -----
          Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:13 AM
          Subject: Re: [digsstv] easypal

           

          I have found HRD to be a bit broken in terms of comms, (it cannot handle
          multiple ICOM Rigs on the CI-V interface). I had a long play with HRD
          trying to get it to work, and I almost suceeded. Unfort. HRD itself was
          the problem in my case, so it got deleted, and I've never looked at it
          since. (This was about over a year ago)

          However during testing I found a very useful utility that you might like
          to try. It's called VSPE, Virtual Serial Port Emulator. as the name
          implies it allows you to set up a virtual com port, (or several) and
          direct the comms between them. As all you need to do in this case is to
          direct the CAT commands to the rig you can simply set up a shared com
          port.

          VSPE and HRD worked fine in terms of passing data from the virtual com
          port to the physical port. From memory I set up a simple splitter device
          called com10 which used the real com4 port as the physical device. VSPE
          allows a com port to be opened multiple times by different applications,
          so you just configure HRD to use com 10, and Easypal to do the same.
          VSPE will do the sharing for you. I think it would be worth a try.

          The software is free, and has a few other
          useful functions. It's a good "toolbox" utility.

          See:

          http://www.eterlogi c.com/Products. VSPE.html

          Andy

          On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:22:51 -0000
          "g4awj" <gordon.g4awj@ virgin.net> wrote:

          > I use Ham Radio Deluxe via CAT to control my transceiver and programs
          > apart from PSK and DM780 and my radio log I also use MMSSTV that has and associated
          > HRDPTT.DLL so I can operate MMSSTV PTT thru HRD, my problem is that to use Easypal I have to close down HRD and then use an interface to have PTT for easypal,cannot the powers that be produce a DLL such as HRDPT
          > so that easypal operates thru HRD, many HRD and easypal users I have spoke to would welcome this.
          > Gordon.G4AWJ.
          >

        • Howard Z
          Andy, Interesting, you wanted to control multiple radios on the same CIV port. How many radios are you trying to control at once? Two radios? Three radios?
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            Andy,

            Interesting, you wanted to control multiple radios on the same CIV port. How many radios are you trying to control at once? Two radios? Three radios?

            Howard

            --- In digsstv@yahoogroups.com, Andy Eskelson <andyyahoo@...> wrote:
            >
            > I have found HRD to be a bit broken in terms of comms, (it cannot handle
            > multiple ICOM Rigs on the CI-V interface). I had a long play with HRD
            > trying to get it to work, and I almost suceeded. Unfort. HRD itself was
            > the problem in my case, so it got deleted, and I've never looked at it
            > since. (This was about over a year ago)
            >
            > However during testing I found a very useful utility that you might like
            > to try. It's called VSPE, Virtual Serial Port Emulator. as the name
            > implies it allows you to set up a virtual com port, (or several) and
            > direct the comms between them. As all you need to do in this case is to
            > direct the CAT commands to the rig you can simply set up a shared com
            > port.
            >
            > VSPE and HRD worked fine in terms of passing data from the virtual com
            > port to the physical port. From memory I set up a simple splitter device
            > called com10 which used the real com4 port as the physical device. VSPE
            > allows a com port to be opened multiple times by different applications,
            > so you just configure HRD to use com 10, and Easypal to do the same.
            > VSPE will do the sharing for you. I think it would be worth a try.
            >
            >
            > The software is free, and has a few other
            > useful functions. It's a good "toolbox" utility.
            >
            > See:
            >
            > http://www.eterlogic.com/Products.VSPE.html
            >
            >
            > Andy
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:22:51 -0000
            > "g4awj" <gordon.g4awj@...> wrote:
            >
            > > I use Ham Radio Deluxe via CAT to control my transceiver and programs
            > > apart from PSK and DM780 and my radio log I also use MMSSTV that has and associated
            > > HRDPTT.DLL so I can operate MMSSTV PTT thru HRD, my problem is that to use Easypal I have to close down HRD and then use an interface to have PTT for easypal,cannot the powers that be produce a DLL such as HRDPT
            > > so that easypal operates thru HRD, many HRD and easypal users I have spoke to would welcome this.
            > > Gordon.G4AWJ.
            > >
            >
          • Andy Eskelson
            Hi Howard, Yes, I wanted to control three rigs. HF, VHF and scanner. The CI-V interface is a multi-drop serial system, essentially it is an open collector
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              Hi Howard,

              Yes, I wanted to control three rigs. HF, VHF and scanner.

              The CI-V interface is a multi-drop serial system, essentially it is an
              open collector output that pulls the Tx line down, all radios listen on
              the Rx Line. This all happens at 5V level.There is a CI-V interface
              (the CT-17) that does the level conversion to RS232, and allows up 4 rigs
              to be plugged into it.


              Each rig has a CI-V address that allows you to "talk" to each radio
              individually, and of course identify which radio is talking back. It is
              a VERY simple protocol, and has been used for years.

              The problem with HRD it that it does not appear to implement the CI-V
              protocol on a single port (if it implements it at all), so it gets
              totally confused with the normal CI-V setup.

              If you use separate com ports, each with it's own ct17 (or home brew
              alternative) then HRD is reasonably happy. but it's not
              a good solution especially as the CI-V is designed to control multiple
              radios in the first place.

              The problem is prob. caused by the initial design of HRD, which I
              would guess was developed for CAT type interfaces. I'm not 100% sure
              about this, never having used a CAT based Rig, but I think that CAT is a
              single radio only control system, so you have to use a dedicated com port
              for each. The CI-V option was obviously just bolted on in a similar manner
              assuming one radio per com port. Which to be fair, makes sense looking at
              it from that point of view. but it's not the "right way" to do things.

              I also found that HRD was not very happy with the 910, it did not seem to
              understand the dual band aspects very well. Admittedly that could have
              been simply due to me needing to set something up, but I was not really
              interested in that part at the time, and when I found that HRD did not
              do what I expected, I did not pursue the issue.

              At the time I was looking at a rebuild of the shack, and being able to
              control the rigs remotely would have provided a few other options for
              layout, and so on.

              What I wanted was to end up with a screen showing all the rigs, and to be
              able to control them from there. It's nothing more than that. I know
              there are two or three commercial / semi commercial alternatives,
              available, but the requirement does not justify the expense. (I'm not
              into contesting, or collecting DX awards and so on, just simple
              rag-chewing so I don't need all the fancy features). There is also Dx Lab
              which does work with the multiple radios but in a very limited manner and
              is not really what is needed.

              I was looking at a logbook type function as well, but to be honest,
              most of them were so over complicated that I very quickly lost interest
              in that aspect, I'll stick to the paper log for now :-))

              During all this testing was when I came across VSPE, which has proved
              useful on a couple of other projects.

              Should the need really arise, I could also knock up a few perl (or
              something) scripts to do what I want.

              Andy






              On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:50:32 -0000
              "Howard Z" <Howard_Z@...> wrote:

              > Andy,
              >
              > Interesting, you wanted to control multiple radios on the same CIV port. How many radios are you trying to control at once? Two radios? Three radios?
              >
              > Howard
              >
              > --- In digsstv@yahoogroups.com, Andy Eskelson <andyyahoo@...> wrote:
              > >
              > > I have found HRD to be a bit broken in terms of comms, (it cannot handle
              > > multiple ICOM Rigs on the CI-V interface). I had a long play with HRD
              > > trying to get it to work, and I almost suceeded. Unfort. HRD itself was
              > > the problem in my case, so it got deleted, and I've never looked at it
              > > since. (This was about over a year ago)
              > >
              > > However during testing I found a very useful utility that you might like
              > > to try. It's called VSPE, Virtual Serial Port Emulator. as the name
              > > implies it allows you to set up a virtual com port, (or several) and
              > > direct the comms between them. As all you need to do in this case is to
              > > direct the CAT commands to the rig you can simply set up a shared com
              > > port.
              > >
              > > VSPE and HRD worked fine in terms of passing data from the virtual com
              > > port to the physical port. From memory I set up a simple splitter device
              > > called com10 which used the real com4 port as the physical device. VSPE
              > > allows a com port to be opened multiple times by different applications,
              > > so you just configure HRD to use com 10, and Easypal to do the same.
              > > VSPE will do the sharing for you. I think it would be worth a try.
              > >
              > >
              > > The software is free, and has a few other
              > > useful functions. It's a good "toolbox" utility.
              > >
              > > See:
              > >
              > > http://www.eterlogic.com/Products.VSPE.html
              > >
              > >
              > > Andy
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:22:51 -0000
              > > "g4awj" <gordon.g4awj@...> wrote:
              > >
              > > > I use Ham Radio Deluxe via CAT to control my transceiver and programs
              > > > apart from PSK and DM780 and my radio log I also use MMSSTV that has and associated
              > > > HRDPTT.DLL so I can operate MMSSTV PTT thru HRD, my problem is that to use Easypal I have to close down HRD and then use an interface to have PTT for easypal,cannot the powers that be produce a DLL such as HRDPT
              > > > so that easypal operates thru HRD, many HRD and easypal users I have spoke to would welcome this.
              > > > Gordon.G4AWJ.
              > > >
              > >
              >
              >
            • Erik Jakobsen
              Hi Andy, Here is a link to a Swedish ham, that makes remote control: http://www.remoterig.com/en/index.htm 73s-Erik-OZ4KK
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                Hi Andy,

                Here is a link to a Swedish ham, that makes remote control:

                http://www.remoterig.com/en/index.htm

                73s-Erik-OZ4KK
                > Hi Howard,
                >
                > Yes, I wanted to control three rigs. HF, VHF and scanner.
                >
                > The CI-V interface is a multi-drop serial system, essentially it is an
                > open collector output that pulls the Tx line down, all radios listen on
                > the Rx Line. This all happens at 5V level.There is a CI-V interface
                > (the CT-17) that does the level conversion to RS232, and allows up 4 rigs
                > to be plugged into it.
                >
                >
                > Each rig has a CI-V address that allows you to "talk" to each radio
                > individually, and of course identify which radio is talking back. It is
                > a VERY simple protocol, and has been used for years.
                >
                > The problem with HRD it that it does not appear to implement the CI-V
                > protocol on a single port (if it implements it at all), so it gets
                > totally confused with the normal CI-V setup.
                >
                > If you use separate com ports, each with it's own ct17 (or home brew
                > alternative) then HRD is reasonably happy. but it's not
                > a good solution especially as the CI-V is designed to control multiple
                > radios in the first place.
                >
                > The problem is prob. caused by the initial design of HRD, which I
                > would guess was developed for CAT type interfaces. I'm not 100% sure
                > about this, never having used a CAT based Rig, but I think that CAT is a
                > single radio only control system, so you have to use a dedicated com port
                > for each. The CI-V option was obviously just bolted on in a similar manner
                > assuming one radio per com port. Which to be fair, makes sense looking at
                > it from that point of view. but it's not the "right way" to do things.
                >
                > I also found that HRD was not very happy with the 910, it did not seem to
                > understand the dual band aspects very well. Admittedly that could have
                > been simply due to me needing to set something up, but I was not really
                > interested in that part at the time, and when I found that HRD did not
                > do what I expected, I did not pursue the issue.
                >
                > At the time I was looking at a rebuild of the shack, and being able to
                > control the rigs remotely would have provided a few other options for
                > layout, and so on.
                >
                > What I wanted was to end up with a screen showing all the rigs, and to be
                > able to control them from there. It's nothing more than that. I know
                > there are two or three commercial / semi commercial alternatives,
                > available, but the requirement does not justify the expense. (I'm not
                > into contesting, or collecting DX awards and so on, just simple
                > rag-chewing so I don't need all the fancy features). There is also Dx Lab
                > which does work with the multiple radios but in a very limited manner and
                > is not really what is needed.
                >
                > I was looking at a logbook type function as well, but to be honest,
                > most of them were so over complicated that I very quickly lost interest
                > in that aspect, I'll stick to the paper log for now :-))
                >
                > During all this testing was when I came across VSPE, which has proved
                > useful on a couple of other projects.
                >
                > Should the need really arise, I could also knock up a few perl (or
                > something) scripts to do what I want.
                >
                > Andy
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:50:32 -0000
                > "Howard Z" <Howard_Z@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                >> Andy,
                >>
                >> Interesting, you wanted to control multiple radios on the same CIV port. How many radios are you trying to control at once? Two radios? Three radios?
                >>
                >> Howard
                >>
                >> --- In digsstv@yahoogroups.com, Andy Eskelson <andyyahoo@...> wrote:
                >>
                >>> I have found HRD to be a bit broken in terms of comms, (it cannot handle
                >>> multiple ICOM Rigs on the CI-V interface). I had a long play with HRD
                >>> trying to get it to work, and I almost suceeded. Unfort. HRD itself was
                >>> the problem in my case, so it got deleted, and I've never looked at it
                >>> since. (This was about over a year ago)
                >>>
                >>> However during testing I found a very useful utility that you might like
                >>> to try. It's called VSPE, Virtual Serial Port Emulator. as the name
                >>> implies it allows you to set up a virtual com port, (or several) and
                >>> direct the comms between them. As all you need to do in this case is to
                >>> direct the CAT commands to the rig you can simply set up a shared com
                >>> port.
                >>>
                >>> VSPE and HRD worked fine in terms of passing data from the virtual com
                >>> port to the physical port. From memory I set up a simple splitter device
                >>> called com10 which used the real com4 port as the physical device. VSPE
                >>> allows a com port to be opened multiple times by different applications,
                >>> so you just configure HRD to use com 10, and Easypal to do the same.
                >>> VSPE will do the sharing for you. I think it would be worth a try.
                >>>
                >>>
                >>> The software is free, and has a few other
                >>> useful functions. It's a good "toolbox" utility.
                >>>
                >>> See:
                >>>
                >>> http://www.eterlogic.com/Products.VSPE.html
                >>>
                >>>
                >>> Andy
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>
                >>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:22:51 -0000
                >>> "g4awj" <gordon.g4awj@...> wrote:
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>> I use Ham Radio Deluxe via CAT to control my transceiver and programs
                >>>> apart from PSK and DM780 and my radio log I also use MMSSTV that has and associated
                >>>> HRDPTT.DLL so I can operate MMSSTV PTT thru HRD, my problem is that to use Easypal I have to close down HRD and then use an interface to have PTT for easypal,cannot the powers that be produce a DLL such as HRDPT
                >>>> so that easypal operates thru HRD, many HRD and easypal users I have spoke to would welcome this.
                >>>> Gordon.G4AWJ.
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>
                >
                >
                >
                >
              • Andy Eskelson
                Thanks Erik, Unfortunately it looks as if that link is dead. The address you gave agrees with a google search, but it comes back to an address not found. The
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                  Thanks Erik,

                  Unfortunately it looks as if that link is dead.

                  The address you gave agrees with a google search, but it comes back to an
                  address not found.

                  The domain is still valid until dec 20, so it could be an ISP problem.

                  Google has some pages in cache, and this seems to be a single radio
                  extended control over TCP/IP.

                  Andy



                  On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:17:54 +0200
                  Erik Jakobsen <eja@...> wrote:

                  > Hi Andy,
                  >
                  > Here is a link to a Swedish ham, that makes remote control:
                  >
                  > http://www.remoterig.com/en/index.htm
                  >
                  > 73s-Erik-OZ4KK
                  > > Hi Howard,
                  > >
                  > > Yes, I wanted to control three rigs. HF, VHF and scanner.
                  > >
                  > > The CI-V interface is a multi-drop serial system, essentially it is an
                  > > open collector output that pulls the Tx line down, all radios listen on
                  > > the Rx Line. This all happens at 5V level.There is a CI-V interface
                  > > (the CT-17) that does the level conversion to RS232, and allows up 4 rigs
                  > > to be plugged into it.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Each rig has a CI-V address that allows you to "talk" to each radio
                  > > individually, and of course identify which radio is talking back. It is
                  > > a VERY simple protocol, and has been used for years.
                  > >
                  > > The problem with HRD it that it does not appear to implement the CI-V
                  > > protocol on a single port (if it implements it at all), so it gets
                  > > totally confused with the normal CI-V setup.
                  > >
                  > > If you use separate com ports, each with it's own ct17 (or home brew
                  > > alternative) then HRD is reasonably happy. but it's not
                  > > a good solution especially as the CI-V is designed to control multiple
                  > > radios in the first place.
                  > >
                  > > The problem is prob. caused by the initial design of HRD, which I
                  > > would guess was developed for CAT type interfaces. I'm not 100% sure
                  > > about this, never having used a CAT based Rig, but I think that CAT is a
                  > > single radio only control system, so you have to use a dedicated com port
                  > > for each. The CI-V option was obviously just bolted on in a similar manner
                  > > assuming one radio per com port. Which to be fair, makes sense looking at
                  > > it from that point of view. but it's not the "right way" to do things.
                  > >
                  > > I also found that HRD was not very happy with the 910, it did not seem to
                  > > understand the dual band aspects very well. Admittedly that could have
                  > > been simply due to me needing to set something up, but I was not really
                  > > interested in that part at the time, and when I found that HRD did not
                  > > do what I expected, I did not pursue the issue.
                  > >
                  > > At the time I was looking at a rebuild of the shack, and being able to
                  > > control the rigs remotely would have provided a few other options for
                  > > layout, and so on.
                  > >
                  > > What I wanted was to end up with a screen showing all the rigs, and to be
                  > > able to control them from there. It's nothing more than that. I know
                  > > there are two or three commercial / semi commercial alternatives,
                  > > available, but the requirement does not justify the expense. (I'm not
                  > > into contesting, or collecting DX awards and so on, just simple
                  > > rag-chewing so I don't need all the fancy features). There is also Dx Lab
                  > > which does work with the multiple radios but in a very limited manner and
                  > > is not really what is needed.
                  > >
                  > > I was looking at a logbook type function as well, but to be honest,
                  > > most of them were so over complicated that I very quickly lost interest
                  > > in that aspect, I'll stick to the paper log for now :-))
                  > >
                  > > During all this testing was when I came across VSPE, which has proved
                  > > useful on a couple of other projects.
                  > >
                  > > Should the need really arise, I could also knock up a few perl (or
                  > > something) scripts to do what I want.
                  > >
                  > > Andy
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:50:32 -0000
                  > > "Howard Z" <Howard_Z@...> wrote:
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >> Andy,
                  > >>
                  > >> Interesting, you wanted to control multiple radios on the same CIV port. How many radios are you trying to control at once? Two radios? Three radios?
                  > >>
                  > >> Howard
                  > >>
                  > >> --- In digsstv@yahoogroups.com, Andy Eskelson <andyyahoo@...> wrote:
                  > >>
                  > >>> I have found HRD to be a bit broken in terms of comms, (it cannot handle
                  > >>> multiple ICOM Rigs on the CI-V interface). I had a long play with HRD
                  > >>> trying to get it to work, and I almost suceeded. Unfort. HRD itself was
                  > >>> the problem in my case, so it got deleted, and I've never looked at it
                  > >>> since. (This was about over a year ago)
                  > >>>
                  > >>> However during testing I found a very useful utility that you might like
                  > >>> to try. It's called VSPE, Virtual Serial Port Emulator. as the name
                  > >>> implies it allows you to set up a virtual com port, (or several) and
                  > >>> direct the comms between them. As all you need to do in this case is to
                  > >>> direct the CAT commands to the rig you can simply set up a shared com
                  > >>> port.
                  > >>>
                  > >>> VSPE and HRD worked fine in terms of passing data from the virtual com
                  > >>> port to the physical port. From memory I set up a simple splitter device
                  > >>> called com10 which used the real com4 port as the physical device. VSPE
                  > >>> allows a com port to be opened multiple times by different applications,
                  > >>> so you just configure HRD to use com 10, and Easypal to do the same.
                  > >>> VSPE will do the sharing for you. I think it would be worth a try.
                  > >>>
                  > >>>
                  > >>> The software is free, and has a few other
                  > >>> useful functions. It's a good "toolbox" utility.
                  > >>>
                  > >>> See:
                  > >>>
                  > >>> http://www.eterlogic.com/Products.VSPE.html
                  > >>>
                  > >>>
                  > >>> Andy
                  > >>>
                  > >>>
                  > >>>
                  > >>>
                  > >>>
                  > >>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:22:51 -0000
                  > >>> "g4awj" <gordon.g4awj@...> wrote:
                  > >>>
                  > >>>
                  > >>>> I use Ham Radio Deluxe via CAT to control my transceiver and programs
                  > >>>> apart from PSK and DM780 and my radio log I also use MMSSTV that has and associated
                  > >>>> HRDPTT.DLL so I can operate MMSSTV PTT thru HRD, my problem is that to use Easypal I have to close down HRD and then use an interface to have PTT for easypal,cannot the powers that be produce a DLL such as HRDPT
                  > >>>> so that easypal operates thru HRD, many HRD and easypal users I have spoke to would welcome this.
                  > >>>> Gordon.G4AWJ.
                  > >>>>
                  > >>>>
                  > >>
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  >
                • Erik Jakobsen
                  Welcome Andy. Funny its is, I have no problems here. Try this, and then click your native language. http://www.remoterig.com/ Come back again, if this link
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                    Welcome Andy.

                    Funny its is, I have no problems here.
                    Try this, and then click your native language.

                    http://www.remoterig.com/

                    Come back again, if this link doesn't work.

                    /Erik

                    P.S. But I think you have tested the above link ?
                    Pls tell me it.


                    > Thanks Erik,
                    >
                    > Unfortunately it looks as if that link is dead.
                    >
                    > The address you gave agrees with a google search, but it comes back to an
                    > address not found.
                    >
                    > The domain is still valid until dec 20, so it could be an ISP problem.
                    >
                    > Google has some pages in cache, and this seems to be a single radio
                    > extended control over TCP/IP.
                    >
                    > Andy
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:17:54 +0200
                    > Erik Jakobsen <eja@...> wrote:
                    >
                    >
                    >> Hi Andy,
                    >>
                    >> Here is a link to a Swedish ham, that makes remote control:
                    >>
                    >> http://www.remoterig.com/en/index.htm
                    >>
                    >> 73s-Erik-OZ4KK
                    >>
                    >>> Hi Howard,
                    >>>
                    >>> Yes, I wanted to control three rigs. HF, VHF and scanner.
                    >>>
                    >>> The CI-V interface is a multi-drop serial system, essentially it is an
                    >>> open collector output that pulls the Tx line down, all radios listen on
                    >>> the Rx Line. This all happens at 5V level.There is a CI-V interface
                    >>> (the CT-17) that does the level conversion to RS232, and allows up 4 rigs
                    >>> to be plugged into it.
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>> Each rig has a CI-V address that allows you to "talk" to each radio
                    >>> individually, and of course identify which radio is talking back. It is
                    >>> a VERY simple protocol, and has been used for years.
                    >>>
                    >>> The problem with HRD it that it does not appear to implement the CI-V
                    >>> protocol on a single port (if it implements it at all), so it gets
                    >>> totally confused with the normal CI-V setup.
                    >>>
                    >>> If you use separate com ports, each with it's own ct17 (or home brew
                    >>> alternative) then HRD is reasonably happy. but it's not
                    >>> a good solution especially as the CI-V is designed to control multiple
                    >>> radios in the first place.
                    >>>
                    >>> The problem is prob. caused by the initial design of HRD, which I
                    >>> would guess was developed for CAT type interfaces. I'm not 100% sure
                    >>> about this, never having used a CAT based Rig, but I think that CAT is a
                    >>> single radio only control system, so you have to use a dedicated com port
                    >>> for each. The CI-V option was obviously just bolted on in a similar manner
                    >>> assuming one radio per com port. Which to be fair, makes sense looking at
                    >>> it from that point of view. but it's not the "right way" to do things.
                    >>>
                    >>> I also found that HRD was not very happy with the 910, it did not seem to
                    >>> understand the dual band aspects very well. Admittedly that could have
                    >>> been simply due to me needing to set something up, but I was not really
                    >>> interested in that part at the time, and when I found that HRD did not
                    >>> do what I expected, I did not pursue the issue.
                    >>>
                    >>> At the time I was looking at a rebuild of the shack, and being able to
                    >>> control the rigs remotely would have provided a few other options for
                    >>> layout, and so on.
                    >>>
                    >>> What I wanted was to end up with a screen showing all the rigs, and to be
                    >>> able to control them from there. It's nothing more than that. I know
                    >>> there are two or three commercial / semi commercial alternatives,
                    >>> available, but the requirement does not justify the expense. (I'm not
                    >>> into contesting, or collecting DX awards and so on, just simple
                    >>> rag-chewing so I don't need all the fancy features). There is also Dx Lab
                    >>> which does work with the multiple radios but in a very limited manner and
                    >>> is not really what is needed.
                    >>>
                    >>> I was looking at a logbook type function as well, but to be honest,
                    >>> most of them were so over complicated that I very quickly lost interest
                    >>> in that aspect, I'll stick to the paper log for now :-))
                    >>>
                    >>> During all this testing was when I came across VSPE, which has proved
                    >>> useful on a couple of other projects.
                    >>>
                    >>> Should the need really arise, I could also knock up a few perl (or
                    >>> something) scripts to do what I want.
                    >>>
                    >>> Andy
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:50:32 -0000
                    >>> "Howard Z" <Howard_Z@...> wrote:
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>>> Andy,
                    >>>>
                    >>>> Interesting, you wanted to control multiple radios on the same CIV port. How many radios are you trying to control at once? Two radios? Three radios?
                    >>>>
                    >>>> Howard
                    >>>>
                    >>>> --- In digsstv@yahoogroups.com, Andy Eskelson <andyyahoo@...> wrote:
                    >>>>
                    >>>>
                    >>>>> I have found HRD to be a bit broken in terms of comms, (it cannot handle
                    >>>>> multiple ICOM Rigs on the CI-V interface). I had a long play with HRD
                    >>>>> trying to get it to work, and I almost suceeded. Unfort. HRD itself was
                    >>>>> the problem in my case, so it got deleted, and I've never looked at it
                    >>>>> since. (This was about over a year ago)
                    >>>>>
                    >>>>> However during testing I found a very useful utility that you might like
                    >>>>> to try. It's called VSPE, Virtual Serial Port Emulator. as the name
                    >>>>> implies it allows you to set up a virtual com port, (or several) and
                    >>>>> direct the comms between them. As all you need to do in this case is to
                    >>>>> direct the CAT commands to the rig you can simply set up a shared com
                    >>>>> port.
                    >>>>>
                    >>>>> VSPE and HRD worked fine in terms of passing data from the virtual com
                    >>>>> port to the physical port. From memory I set up a simple splitter device
                    >>>>> called com10 which used the real com4 port as the physical device. VSPE
                    >>>>> allows a com port to be opened multiple times by different applications,
                    >>>>> so you just configure HRD to use com 10, and Easypal to do the same.
                    >>>>> VSPE will do the sharing for you. I think it would be worth a try.
                    >>>>>
                    >>>>>
                    >>>>> The software is free, and has a few other
                    >>>>> useful functions. It's a good "toolbox" utility.
                    >>>>>
                    >>>>> See:
                    >>>>>
                    >>>>> http://www.eterlogic.com/Products.VSPE.html
                    >>>>>
                    >>>>>
                    >>>>> Andy
                    >>>>>
                    >>>>>
                    >>>>>
                    >>>>>
                    >>>>>
                    >>>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:22:51 -0000
                    >>>>> "g4awj" <gordon.g4awj@...> wrote:
                    >>>>>
                    >>>>>
                    >>>>>
                    >>>>>> I use Ham Radio Deluxe via CAT to control my transceiver and programs
                    >>>>>> apart from PSK and DM780 and my radio log I also use MMSSTV that has and associated
                    >>>>>> HRDPTT.DLL so I can operate MMSSTV PTT thru HRD, my problem is that to use Easypal I have to close down HRD and then use an interface to have PTT for easypal,cannot the powers that be produce a DLL such as HRDPT
                    >>>>>> so that easypal operates thru HRD, many HRD and easypal users I have spoke to would welcome this.
                    >>>>>> Gordon.G4AWJ.
                    >>>>>>
                    >>>>>>
                    >>>>>>
                    >>>>
                    >>>>
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >
                    >
                    > ------------------------------------
                    >
                    > Yahoo! Groups Links
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                  • Terry
                    Yes the link is working fine here in the UK also, it has been fine most of the afternoon. Terry. ... From: Erik Jakobsen Date: 13/10/2009 17:23:50 To:
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                      Yes the link is working fine here in the UK also, it has been fine most of the afternoon.
                       
                      Terry.
                       
                       
                       
                       
                      -------Original Message-------
                       
                      Date: 13/10/2009 17:23:50
                      Subject: Re: [digsstv] Re: easypal
                       
                       

                      Welcome Andy.

                      Funny its is, I have no problems here.
                      Try this, and then click your native language.

                      http://www.remoteri g.com/

                      Come back again, if this link doesn't work.

                      /Erik

                      P.S. But I think you have tested the above link ?
                      Pls tell me it.

                      > Thanks Erik,
                      >
                      > Unfortunately it looks as if that link is dead.
                      >
                      > The address you gave agrees with a google search, but it comes back to an
                      > address not found.
                      >
                      > The domain is still valid until dec 20, so it could be an ISP problem.
                      >
                      > Google has some pages in cache, and this seems to be a single radio
                      > extended control over TCP/IP.
                      >
                      > Andy
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:17:54 +0200
                      > Erik Jakobsen <eja@urbakken. dk> wrote:
                      >
                      >
                      >> Hi Andy,
                      >>
                      >> Here is a link to a Swedish ham, that makes remote control:
                      >>
                      >> http://www.remoteri g.com/en/ index.htm
                      >>
                      >> 73s-Erik-OZ4KK
                      >>
                      >>> Hi Howard,
                      >>>
                      >>> Yes, I wanted to control three rigs. HF, VHF and scanner.
                      >>>
                      >>> The CI-V interface is a multi-drop serial system, essentially it is an
                      >>> open collector output that pulls the Tx line down, all radios listen on
                      >>> the Rx Line. This all happens at 5V level.There is a CI-V interface
                      >>> (the CT-17) that does the level conversion to RS232, and allows up 4 rigs
                      >>> to be plugged into it.
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>> Each rig has a CI-V address that allows you to "talk" to each radio
                      >>> individually, and of course identify which radio is talking back. It is
                      >>> a VERY simple protocol, and has been used for years.
                      >>>
                      >>> The problem with HRD it that it does not appear to implement the CI-V
                      >>> protocol on a single port (if it implements it at all), so it gets
                      >>> totally confused with the normal CI-V setup.
                      >>>
                      >>> If you use separate com ports, each with it's own ct17 (or home brew
                      >>> alternative) then HRD is reasonably happy. but it's not
                      >>> a good solution especially as the CI-V is designed to control multiple
                      >>> radios in the first place.
                      >>>
                      >>> The problem is prob. caused by the initial design of HRD, which I
                      >>> would guess was developed for CAT type interfaces. I'm not 100% sure
                      >>> about this, never having used a CAT based Rig, but I think that CAT is a
                      >>> single radio only control system, so you have to use a dedicated com port
                      >>> for each. The CI-V option was obviously just bolted on in a similar manner
                      >>> assuming one radio per com port. Which to be fair, makes sense looking at
                      >>> it from that point of view. but it's not the "right way" to do things.
                      >>>
                      >>> I also found that HRD was not very happy with the 910, it did not seem to
                      >>> understand the dual band aspects very well. Admittedly that could have
                      >>> been simply due to me needing to set something up, but I was not really
                      >>> interested in that part at the time, and when I found that HRD did not
                      >>> do what I expected, I did not pursue the issue.
                      >>>
                      >>> At the time I was looking at a rebuild of the shack, and being able to
                      >>> control the rigs remotely would have provided a few other options for
                      >>> layout, and so on.
                      >>>
                      >>> What I wanted was to end up with a screen showing all the rigs, and to be
                      >>> able to control them from there. It's nothing more than that. I know
                      >>> there are two or three commercial / semi commercial alternatives,
                      >>> available, but the requirement does not justify the expense. (I'm not
                      >>> into contesting, or collecting DX awards and so on, just simple
                      >>> rag-chewing so I don't need all the fancy features). There is also Dx Lab
                      >>> which does work with the multiple radios but in a very limited manner and
                      >>> is not really what is needed.
                      >>>
                      >>> I was looking at a logbook type function as well, but to be honest,
                      >>> most of them were so over complicated that I very quickly lost interest
                      >>> in that aspect, I'll stick to the paper log for now :-))
                      >>>
                      >>> During all this testing was when I came across VSPE, which has proved
                      >>> useful on a couple of other projects.
                      >>>
                      >>> Should the need really arise, I could also knock up a few perl (or
                      >>> something) scripts to do what I want.
                      >>>
                      >>> Andy
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:50:32 -0000
                      >>> "Howard Z" <Howard_Z@yahoo. com> wrote:
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>>> Andy,
                      >>>>
                      >>>> Interesting, you wanted to control multiple radios on the same CIV port. How many radios are you trying to control at once? Two radios? Three radios?
                      >>>>
                      >>>> Howard
                      >>>>
                      >>>> --- In digsstv@yahoogroups .com, Andy Eskelson <andyyahoo@. ..> wrote:
                      >>>>
                      >>>>
                      >>>>> I have found HRD to be a bit broken in terms of comms, (it cannot handle
                      >>>>> multiple ICOM Rigs on the CI-V interface). I had a long play with HRD
                      >>>>> trying to get it to work, and I almost suceeded. Unfort. HRD itself was
                      >>>>> the problem in my case, so it got deleted, and I've never looked at it
                      >>>>> since. (This was about over a year ago)
                      >>>>>
                      >>>>> However during testing I found a very useful utility that you might like
                      >>>>> to try. It's called VSPE, Virtual Serial Port Emulator. as the name
                      >>>>> implies it allows you to set up a virtual com port, (or several) and
                      >>>>> direct the comms between them. As all you need to do in this case is to
                      >>>>> direct the CAT commands to the rig you can simply set up a shared com
                      >>>>> port.
                      >>>>>
                      >>>>> VSPE and HRD worked fine in terms of passing data from the virtual com
                      >>>>> port to the physical port. From memory I set up a simple splitter device
                      >>>>> called com10 which used the real com4 port as the physical device. VSPE
                      >>>>> allows a com port to be opened multiple times by different applications,
                      >>>>> so you just configure HRD to use com 10, and Easypal to do the same.
                      >>>>> VSPE will do the sharing for you. I think it would be worth a try.
                      >>>>>
                      >>>>>
                      >>>>> The software is free, and has a few other
                      >>>>> useful functions. It's a good "toolbox" utility.
                      >>>>>
                      >>>>> See:
                      >>>>>
                      >>>>> http://www.eterlogi c.com/Products. VSPE.html
                      >>>>>
                      >>>>>
                      >>>>> Andy
                      >>>>>
                      >>>>>
                      >>>>>
                      >>>>>
                      >>>>>
                      >>>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:22:51 -0000
                      >>>>> "g4awj" <gordon.g4awj@ ...> wrote:
                      >>>>>
                      >>>>>
                      >>>>>
                      >>>>>> I use Ham Radio Deluxe via CAT to control my transceiver and programs
                      >>>>>> apart from PSK and DM780 and my radio log I also use MMSSTV that has and associated
                      >>>>>> HRDPTT.DLL so I can operate MMSSTV PTT thru HRD, my problem is that to use Easypal I have to close down HRD and then use an interface to have PTT for easypal,cannot the powers that be produce a DLL such as HRDPT
                      >>>>>> so that easypal operates thru HRD, many HRD and easypal users I have spoke to would welcome this.
                      >>>>>> Gordon.G4AWJ.
                      >>>>>>
                      >>>>>>
                      >>>>>>
                      >>>>
                      >>>>
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >
                      >
                      > ------------ --------- --------- ------
                      >
                      > Yahoo! Groups Links
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >

                       
                    • Andy Eskelson
                      There is something odd going on, dig and nslookup both return SERVFAIL so it looks like something has upset the DNS. Don t clear your local cache or you might
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                        There is something odd going on, dig and nslookup both return SERVFAIL
                        so it looks like something has upset the DNS. Don't clear your local
                        cache or you might lose access as well.

                        Andy



                        On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:09:58 +0200
                        Erik Jakobsen <eja@...> wrote:

                        > Welcome Andy.
                        >
                        > Funny its is, I have no problems here.
                        > Try this, and then click your native language.
                        >
                        > http://www.remoterig.com/
                        >
                        > Come back again, if this link doesn't work.
                        >
                        > /Erik
                        >
                        > P.S. But I think you have tested the above link ?
                        > Pls tell me it.
                        >
                        >
                        > > Thanks Erik,
                        > >
                        > > Unfortunately it looks as if that link is dead.
                        > >
                        > > The address you gave agrees with a google search, but it comes back to an
                        > > address not found.
                        > >
                        > > The domain is still valid until dec 20, so it could be an ISP problem.
                        > >
                        > > Google has some pages in cache, and this seems to be a single radio
                        > > extended control over TCP/IP.
                        > >
                        > > Andy
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:17:54 +0200
                        > > Erik Jakobsen <eja@...> wrote:
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >> Hi Andy,
                        > >>
                        > >> Here is a link to a Swedish ham, that makes remote control:
                        > >>
                        > >> http://www.remoterig.com/en/index.htm
                        > >>
                        > >> 73s-Erik-OZ4KK
                        > >>
                        > >>> Hi Howard,
                        > >>>
                        > >>> Yes, I wanted to control three rigs. HF, VHF and scanner.
                        > >>>
                        > >>> The CI-V interface is a multi-drop serial system, essentially it is an
                        > >>> open collector output that pulls the Tx line down, all radios listen on
                        > >>> the Rx Line. This all happens at 5V level.There is a CI-V interface
                        > >>> (the CT-17) that does the level conversion to RS232, and allows up 4 rigs
                        > >>> to be plugged into it.
                        > >>>
                        > >>>
                        > >>> Each rig has a CI-V address that allows you to "talk" to each radio
                        > >>> individually, and of course identify which radio is talking back. It is
                        > >>> a VERY simple protocol, and has been used for years.
                        > >>>
                        > >>> The problem with HRD it that it does not appear to implement the CI-V
                        > >>> protocol on a single port (if it implements it at all), so it gets
                        > >>> totally confused with the normal CI-V setup.
                        > >>>
                        > >>> If you use separate com ports, each with it's own ct17 (or home brew
                        > >>> alternative) then HRD is reasonably happy. but it's not
                        > >>> a good solution especially as the CI-V is designed to control multiple
                        > >>> radios in the first place.
                        > >>>
                        > >>> The problem is prob. caused by the initial design of HRD, which I
                        > >>> would guess was developed for CAT type interfaces. I'm not 100% sure
                        > >>> about this, never having used a CAT based Rig, but I think that CAT is a
                        > >>> single radio only control system, so you have to use a dedicated com port
                        > >>> for each. The CI-V option was obviously just bolted on in a similar manner
                        > >>> assuming one radio per com port. Which to be fair, makes sense looking at
                        > >>> it from that point of view. but it's not the "right way" to do things.
                        > >>>
                        > >>> I also found that HRD was not very happy with the 910, it did not seem to
                        > >>> understand the dual band aspects very well. Admittedly that could have
                        > >>> been simply due to me needing to set something up, but I was not really
                        > >>> interested in that part at the time, and when I found that HRD did not
                        > >>> do what I expected, I did not pursue the issue.
                        > >>>
                        > >>> At the time I was looking at a rebuild of the shack, and being able to
                        > >>> control the rigs remotely would have provided a few other options for
                        > >>> layout, and so on.
                        > >>>
                        > >>> What I wanted was to end up with a screen showing all the rigs, and to be
                        > >>> able to control them from there. It's nothing more than that. I know
                        > >>> there are two or three commercial / semi commercial alternatives,
                        > >>> available, but the requirement does not justify the expense. (I'm not
                        > >>> into contesting, or collecting DX awards and so on, just simple
                        > >>> rag-chewing so I don't need all the fancy features). There is also Dx Lab
                        > >>> which does work with the multiple radios but in a very limited manner and
                        > >>> is not really what is needed.
                        > >>>
                        > >>> I was looking at a logbook type function as well, but to be honest,
                        > >>> most of them were so over complicated that I very quickly lost interest
                        > >>> in that aspect, I'll stick to the paper log for now :-))
                        > >>>
                        > >>> During all this testing was when I came across VSPE, which has proved
                        > >>> useful on a couple of other projects.
                        > >>>
                        > >>> Should the need really arise, I could also knock up a few perl (or
                        > >>> something) scripts to do what I want.
                        > >>>
                        > >>> Andy
                        > >>>
                        > >>>
                        > >>>
                        > >>>
                        > >>>
                        > >>>
                        > >>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:50:32 -0000
                        > >>> "Howard Z" <Howard_Z@...> wrote:
                        > >>>
                        > >>>
                        > >>>
                        > >>>> Andy,
                        > >>>>
                        > >>>> Interesting, you wanted to control multiple radios on the same CIV port. How many radios are you trying to control at once? Two radios? Three radios?
                        > >>>>
                        > >>>> Howard
                        > >>>>
                        > >>>> --- In digsstv@yahoogroups.com, Andy Eskelson <andyyahoo@...> wrote:
                        > >>>>
                        > >>>>
                        > >>>>> I have found HRD to be a bit broken in terms of comms, (it cannot handle
                        > >>>>> multiple ICOM Rigs on the CI-V interface). I had a long play with HRD
                        > >>>>> trying to get it to work, and I almost suceeded. Unfort. HRD itself was
                        > >>>>> the problem in my case, so it got deleted, and I've never looked at it
                        > >>>>> since. (This was about over a year ago)
                        > >>>>>
                        > >>>>> However during testing I found a very useful utility that you might like
                        > >>>>> to try. It's called VSPE, Virtual Serial Port Emulator. as the name
                        > >>>>> implies it allows you to set up a virtual com port, (or several) and
                        > >>>>> direct the comms between them. As all you need to do in this case is to
                        > >>>>> direct the CAT commands to the rig you can simply set up a shared com
                        > >>>>> port.
                        > >>>>>
                        > >>>>> VSPE and HRD worked fine in terms of passing data from the virtual com
                        > >>>>> port to the physical port. From memory I set up a simple splitter device
                        > >>>>> called com10 which used the real com4 port as the physical device. VSPE
                        > >>>>> allows a com port to be opened multiple times by different applications,
                        > >>>>> so you just configure HRD to use com 10, and Easypal to do the same.
                        > >>>>> VSPE will do the sharing for you. I think it would be worth a try.
                        > >>>>>
                        > >>>>>
                        > >>>>> The software is free, and has a few other
                        > >>>>> useful functions. It's a good "toolbox" utility.
                        > >>>>>
                        > >>>>> See:
                        > >>>>>
                        > >>>>> http://www.eterlogic.com/Products.VSPE.html
                        > >>>>>
                        > >>>>>
                        > >>>>> Andy
                        > >>>>>
                        > >>>>>
                        > >>>>>
                        > >>>>>
                        > >>>>>
                        > >>>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:22:51 -0000
                        > >>>>> "g4awj" <gordon.g4awj@...> wrote:
                        > >>>>>
                        > >>>>>
                        > >>>>>
                        > >>>>>> I use Ham Radio Deluxe via CAT to control my transceiver and programs
                        > >>>>>> apart from PSK and DM780 and my radio log I also use MMSSTV that has and associated
                        > >>>>>> HRDPTT.DLL so I can operate MMSSTV PTT thru HRD, my problem is that to use Easypal I have to close down HRD and then use an interface to have PTT for easypal,cannot the powers that be produce a DLL such as HRDPT
                        > >>>>>> so that easypal operates thru HRD, many HRD and easypal users I have spoke to would welcome this.
                        > >>>>>> Gordon.G4AWJ.
                        > >>>>>>
                        > >>>>>>
                        > >>>>>>
                        > >>>>
                        > >>>>
                        > >>>
                        > >>>
                        > >>>
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > ------------------------------------
                        > >
                        > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        >
                      • Dave Ackrill
                        ... Ham Radio Deluxe used to support more than one Icom radio, and the owner and programmer, Simon (HB9DRV), has said that he intends to implement a system
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                          Andy Eskelson wrote:

                          > The problem with HRD it that it does not appear to implement the CI-V
                          > protocol on a single port (if it implements it at all), so it gets
                          > totally confused with the normal CI-V setup.

                          Ham Radio Deluxe used to support more than one Icom radio, and the owner
                          and programmer, Simon (HB9DRV), has said that he intends to implement a
                          system that will allow one instance of HRD to control more than one
                          radio, Icom or not, but no promises as to when that will be implemented
                          as yet.

                          There are many Icom users of HRD who are using it to control their
                          Icoms, so it does work. If only on one radio at a time.

                          Dave (G0DJA)
                        • Erik Jakobsen
                          Hi Andy And how can I help you now ?. /Erik
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                            Hi Andy

                            And how can I help you now ?.

                            /Erik
                            > There is something odd going on, dig and nslookup both return SERVFAIL
                            > so it looks like something has upset the DNS. Don't clear your local
                            > cache or you might lose access as well.
                            >
                            > Andy
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:09:58 +0200
                            > Erik Jakobsen <eja@...> wrote:
                            >
                            >
                            >> Welcome Andy.
                            >>
                            >> Funny its is, I have no problems here.
                            >> Try this, and then click your native language.
                            >>
                            >> http://www.remoterig.com/
                            >>
                            >> Come back again, if this link doesn't work.
                            >>
                            >> /Erik
                            >>
                            >> P.S. But I think you have tested the above link ?
                            >> Pls tell me it.
                            >>
                            >>
                            >>
                            >>> Thanks Erik,
                            >>>
                            >>> Unfortunately it looks as if that link is dead.
                            >>>
                            >>> The address you gave agrees with a google search, but it comes back to an
                            >>> address not found.
                            >>>
                            >>> The domain is still valid until dec 20, so it could be an ISP problem.
                            >>>
                            >>> Google has some pages in cache, and this seems to be a single radio
                            >>> extended control over TCP/IP.
                            >>>
                            >>> Andy
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:17:54 +0200
                            >>> Erik Jakobsen <eja@...> wrote:
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>> Hi Andy,
                            >>>>
                            >>>> Here is a link to a Swedish ham, that makes remote control:
                            >>>>
                            >>>> http://www.remoterig.com/en/index.htm
                            >>>>
                            >>>> 73s-Erik-OZ4KK
                            >>>>
                            >>>>
                            >>>>> Hi Howard,
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> Yes, I wanted to control three rigs. HF, VHF and scanner.
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> The CI-V interface is a multi-drop serial system, essentially it is an
                            >>>>> open collector output that pulls the Tx line down, all radios listen on
                            >>>>> the Rx Line. This all happens at 5V level.There is a CI-V interface
                            >>>>> (the CT-17) that does the level conversion to RS232, and allows up 4 rigs
                            >>>>> to be plugged into it.
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> Each rig has a CI-V address that allows you to "talk" to each radio
                            >>>>> individually, and of course identify which radio is talking back. It is
                            >>>>> a VERY simple protocol, and has been used for years.
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> The problem with HRD it that it does not appear to implement the CI-V
                            >>>>> protocol on a single port (if it implements it at all), so it gets
                            >>>>> totally confused with the normal CI-V setup.
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> If you use separate com ports, each with it's own ct17 (or home brew
                            >>>>> alternative) then HRD is reasonably happy. but it's not
                            >>>>> a good solution especially as the CI-V is designed to control multiple
                            >>>>> radios in the first place.
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> The problem is prob. caused by the initial design of HRD, which I
                            >>>>> would guess was developed for CAT type interfaces. I'm not 100% sure
                            >>>>> about this, never having used a CAT based Rig, but I think that CAT is a
                            >>>>> single radio only control system, so you have to use a dedicated com port
                            >>>>> for each. The CI-V option was obviously just bolted on in a similar manner
                            >>>>> assuming one radio per com port. Which to be fair, makes sense looking at
                            >>>>> it from that point of view. but it's not the "right way" to do things.
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> I also found that HRD was not very happy with the 910, it did not seem to
                            >>>>> understand the dual band aspects very well. Admittedly that could have
                            >>>>> been simply due to me needing to set something up, but I was not really
                            >>>>> interested in that part at the time, and when I found that HRD did not
                            >>>>> do what I expected, I did not pursue the issue.
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> At the time I was looking at a rebuild of the shack, and being able to
                            >>>>> control the rigs remotely would have provided a few other options for
                            >>>>> layout, and so on.
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> What I wanted was to end up with a screen showing all the rigs, and to be
                            >>>>> able to control them from there. It's nothing more than that. I know
                            >>>>> there are two or three commercial / semi commercial alternatives,
                            >>>>> available, but the requirement does not justify the expense. (I'm not
                            >>>>> into contesting, or collecting DX awards and so on, just simple
                            >>>>> rag-chewing so I don't need all the fancy features). There is also Dx Lab
                            >>>>> which does work with the multiple radios but in a very limited manner and
                            >>>>> is not really what is needed.
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> I was looking at a logbook type function as well, but to be honest,
                            >>>>> most of them were so over complicated that I very quickly lost interest
                            >>>>> in that aspect, I'll stick to the paper log for now :-))
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> During all this testing was when I came across VSPE, which has proved
                            >>>>> useful on a couple of other projects.
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> Should the need really arise, I could also knock up a few perl (or
                            >>>>> something) scripts to do what I want.
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> Andy
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:50:32 -0000
                            >>>>> "Howard Z" <Howard_Z@...> wrote:
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>>> Andy,
                            >>>>>>
                            >>>>>> Interesting, you wanted to control multiple radios on the same CIV port. How many radios are you trying to control at once? Two radios? Three radios?
                            >>>>>>
                            >>>>>> Howard
                            >>>>>>
                            >>>>>> --- In digsstv@yahoogroups.com, Andy Eskelson <andyyahoo@...> wrote:
                            >>>>>>
                            >>>>>>
                            >>>>>>
                            >>>>>>> I have found HRD to be a bit broken in terms of comms, (it cannot handle
                            >>>>>>> multiple ICOM Rigs on the CI-V interface). I had a long play with HRD
                            >>>>>>> trying to get it to work, and I almost suceeded. Unfort. HRD itself was
                            >>>>>>> the problem in my case, so it got deleted, and I've never looked at it
                            >>>>>>> since. (This was about over a year ago)
                            >>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>> However during testing I found a very useful utility that you might like
                            >>>>>>> to try. It's called VSPE, Virtual Serial Port Emulator. as the name
                            >>>>>>> implies it allows you to set up a virtual com port, (or several) and
                            >>>>>>> direct the comms between them. As all you need to do in this case is to
                            >>>>>>> direct the CAT commands to the rig you can simply set up a shared com
                            >>>>>>> port.
                            >>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>> VSPE and HRD worked fine in terms of passing data from the virtual com
                            >>>>>>> port to the physical port. From memory I set up a simple splitter device
                            >>>>>>> called com10 which used the real com4 port as the physical device. VSPE
                            >>>>>>> allows a com port to be opened multiple times by different applications,
                            >>>>>>> so you just configure HRD to use com 10, and Easypal to do the same.
                            >>>>>>> VSPE will do the sharing for you. I think it would be worth a try.
                            >>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>> The software is free, and has a few other
                            >>>>>>> useful functions. It's a good "toolbox" utility.
                            >>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>> See:
                            >>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>> http://www.eterlogic.com/Products.VSPE.html
                            >>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>> Andy
                            >>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:22:51 -0000
                            >>>>>>> "g4awj" <gordon.g4awj@...> wrote:
                            >>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>>> I use Ham Radio Deluxe via CAT to control my transceiver and programs
                            >>>>>>>> apart from PSK and DM780 and my radio log I also use MMSSTV that has and associated
                            >>>>>>>> HRDPTT.DLL so I can operate MMSSTV PTT thru HRD, my problem is that to use Easypal I have to close down HRD and then use an interface to have PTT for easypal,cannot the powers that be produce a DLL such as HRDPT
                            >>>>>>>> so that easypal operates thru HRD, many HRD and easypal users I have spoke to would welcome this.
                            >>>>>>>> Gordon.G4AWJ.
                            >>>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>>>
                            >>>>>>
                            >>>>>>
                            >>>>>>
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>>
                            >>> ------------------------------------
                            >>>
                            >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >
                            >
                            > ------------------------------------
                            >
                            > Yahoo! Groups Links
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                          • jdow
                            From: Andy Eskelson Sent: Tuesday, 2009/October/13 07:09 ... That is the way to do it. ICOM **REALLY** screwed up their CIV/CAT
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                              From: "Andy Eskelson" <andyyahoo@...>
                              Sent: Tuesday, 2009/October/13 07:09


                              > Hi Howard,
                              >
                              > Yes, I wanted to control three rigs. HF, VHF and scanner.
                              >
                              > The CI-V interface is a multi-drop serial system, essentially it is an
                              > open collector output that pulls the Tx line down, all radios listen on
                              > the Rx Line. This all happens at 5V level.There is a CI-V interface
                              > (the CT-17) that does the level conversion to RS232, and allows up 4 rigs
                              > to be plugged into it.
                              >
                              >
                              > Each rig has a CI-V address that allows you to "talk" to each radio
                              > individually, and of course identify which radio is talking back. It is
                              > a VERY simple protocol, and has been used for years.
                              >
                              > The problem with HRD it that it does not appear to implement the CI-V
                              > protocol on a single port (if it implements it at all), so it gets
                              > totally confused with the normal CI-V setup.
                              >
                              > If you use separate com ports, each with it's own ct17 (or home brew
                              > alternative) then HRD is reasonably happy. but it's not
                              > a good solution especially as the CI-V is designed to control multiple
                              > radios in the first place.

                              That is the way to do it. ICOM **REALLY** screwed up their CIV/CAT
                              protocol resulting in huge amounts of traffic for really simple tasks
                              at unrealistically low transmit bandwidths. I wanted to explore some
                              new GUI building techniques so I used a rig remote control program as
                              a base tool. I love how complete the ProII command set almost is. I
                              hate how SLOW it is when I try to keep up with the display effects of
                              band changes and the like. (I wanted to be able to control the radio
                              from either the radio itself or the remote controller. So I have to
                              continuously poll the radio for its settings. It takes a substantial
                              amount of time to perform a complete poll, long enough I had to poll
                              some critical items, like frequency, at a different repeat rate than
                              other display items.)

                              The only practical use for the 4 port CI-V is to share the remote control
                              polling information with an antenna tuner and a power amplifier. Trying
                              to control two or more transceivers with it is guaranteed to produce
                              advanced degrees of homocidal mania. (I would die for a radio that had
                              a NICE Ethernet interface that was Ethernet friendly. Poll for the ENTIRE
                              state of the rig in one packet. Send to the rig what state I want it to
                              be in using a similar everything at once packet.)

                              > The problem is prob. caused by the initial design of HRD, which I
                              > would guess was developed for CAT type interfaces. I'm not 100% sure
                              > about this, never having used a CAT based Rig, but I think that CAT is a
                              > single radio only control system, so you have to use a dedicated com port
                              > for each. The CI-V option was obviously just bolted on in a similar manner
                              > assuming one radio per com port. Which to be fair, makes sense looking at
                              > it from that point of view. but it's not the "right way" to do things.

                              As noted the problem is in the ICOM CI-V implementation. Some simple
                              critical aspects of it suck dead rats through soda-straws. (I love the
                              communications rate for my Yaesu FT-847. Sadly you can't control much of
                              anything on the radio with it. Nor can you poll for such basic information
                              as whether or not the preamp is on. Bleah!)

                              {^_^} Joanne, W6MKU, maybe being a little more acerbic than usual.
                            • jdow
                              You might have proxy or firewall problems. The site works fine. {^_^} ... From: Andy Eskelson To: Sent:
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                                You might have proxy or firewall problems. The site works fine.

                                {^_^}
                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: "Andy Eskelson" <andyyahoo@...>
                                To: <digsstv@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Tuesday, 2009/October/13 09:45
                                Subject: Re: [digsstv] Re: easypal


                                > There is something odd going on, dig and nslookup both return SERVFAIL
                                > so it looks like something has upset the DNS. Don't clear your local
                                > cache or you might lose access as well.
                                >
                                > Andy
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:09:58 +0200
                                > Erik Jakobsen <eja@...> wrote:
                                >
                                >> Welcome Andy.
                                >>
                                >> Funny its is, I have no problems here.
                                >> Try this, and then click your native language.
                                >>
                                >> http://www.remoterig.com/
                                >>
                                >> Come back again, if this link doesn't work.
                                >>
                                >> /Erik
                                >>
                                >> P.S. But I think you have tested the above link ?
                                >> Pls tell me it.
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> > Thanks Erik,
                                >> >
                                >> > Unfortunately it looks as if that link is dead.
                                >> >
                                >> > The address you gave agrees with a google search, but it comes back to
                                >> > an
                                >> > address not found.
                                >> >
                                >> > The domain is still valid until dec 20, so it could be an ISP problem.
                                >> >
                                >> > Google has some pages in cache, and this seems to be a single radio
                                >> > extended control over TCP/IP.
                                >> >
                                >> > Andy
                                >> >
                                >> >
                                >> >
                                >> > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:17:54 +0200
                                >> > Erik Jakobsen <eja@...> wrote:
                                >> >
                                >> >
                                >> >> Hi Andy,
                                >> >>
                                >> >> Here is a link to a Swedish ham, that makes remote control:
                                >> >>
                                >> >> http://www.remoterig.com/en/index.htm
                                >> >>
                                >> >> 73s-Erik-OZ4KK
                                >> >>
                                >> >>> Hi Howard,
                                >> >>>
                                >> >>> Yes, I wanted to control three rigs. HF, VHF and scanner.
                                >> >>>
                                >> >>> The CI-V interface is a multi-drop serial system, essentially it is
                                >> >>> an
                                >> >>> open collector output that pulls the Tx line down, all radios listen
                                >> >>> on
                                >> >>> the Rx Line. This all happens at 5V level.There is a CI-V interface
                                >> >>> (the CT-17) that does the level conversion to RS232, and allows up 4
                                >> >>> rigs
                                >> >>> to be plugged into it.
                                >> >>>
                                >> >>>
                                >> >>> Each rig has a CI-V address that allows you to "talk" to each radio
                                >> >>> individually, and of course identify which radio is talking back. It
                                >> >>> is
                                >> >>> a VERY simple protocol, and has been used for years.
                                >> >>>
                                >> >>> The problem with HRD it that it does not appear to implement the CI-V
                                >> >>> protocol on a single port (if it implements it at all), so it gets
                                >> >>> totally confused with the normal CI-V setup.
                                >> >>>
                                >> >>> If you use separate com ports, each with it's own ct17 (or home brew
                                >> >>> alternative) then HRD is reasonably happy. but it's not
                                >> >>> a good solution especially as the CI-V is designed to control
                                >> >>> multiple
                                >> >>> radios in the first place.
                                >> >>>
                                >> >>> The problem is prob. caused by the initial design of HRD, which I
                                >> >>> would guess was developed for CAT type interfaces. I'm not 100% sure
                                >> >>> about this, never having used a CAT based Rig, but I think that CAT
                                >> >>> is a
                                >> >>> single radio only control system, so you have to use a dedicated com
                                >> >>> port
                                >> >>> for each. The CI-V option was obviously just bolted on in a similar
                                >> >>> manner
                                >> >>> assuming one radio per com port. Which to be fair, makes sense
                                >> >>> looking at
                                >> >>> it from that point of view. but it's not the "right way" to do
                                >> >>> things.
                                >> >>>
                                >> >>> I also found that HRD was not very happy with the 910, it did not
                                >> >>> seem to
                                >> >>> understand the dual band aspects very well. Admittedly that could
                                >> >>> have
                                >> >>> been simply due to me needing to set something up, but I was not
                                >> >>> really
                                >> >>> interested in that part at the time, and when I found that HRD did
                                >> >>> not
                                >> >>> do what I expected, I did not pursue the issue.
                                >> >>>
                                >> >>> At the time I was looking at a rebuild of the shack, and being able
                                >> >>> to
                                >> >>> control the rigs remotely would have provided a few other options for
                                >> >>> layout, and so on.
                                >> >>>
                                >> >>> What I wanted was to end up with a screen showing all the rigs, and
                                >> >>> to be
                                >> >>> able to control them from there. It's nothing more than that. I know
                                >> >>> there are two or three commercial / semi commercial alternatives,
                                >> >>> available, but the requirement does not justify the expense. (I'm not
                                >> >>> into contesting, or collecting DX awards and so on, just simple
                                >> >>> rag-chewing so I don't need all the fancy features). There is also Dx
                                >> >>> Lab
                                >> >>> which does work with the multiple radios but in a very limited manner
                                >> >>> and
                                >> >>> is not really what is needed.
                                >> >>>
                                >> >>> I was looking at a logbook type function as well, but to be honest,
                                >> >>> most of them were so over complicated that I very quickly lost
                                >> >>> interest
                                >> >>> in that aspect, I'll stick to the paper log for now :-))
                                >> >>>
                                >> >>> During all this testing was when I came across VSPE, which has proved
                                >> >>> useful on a couple of other projects.
                                >> >>>
                                >> >>> Should the need really arise, I could also knock up a few perl (or
                                >> >>> something) scripts to do what I want.
                                >> >>>
                                >> >>> Andy
                                >> >>>
                                >> >>>
                                >> >>>
                                >> >>>
                                >> >>>
                                >> >>>
                                >> >>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:50:32 -0000
                                >> >>> "Howard Z" <Howard_Z@...> wrote:
                                >> >>>
                                >> >>>
                                >> >>>
                                >> >>>> Andy,
                                >> >>>>
                                >> >>>> Interesting, you wanted to control multiple radios on the same CIV
                                >> >>>> port. How many radios are you trying to control at once? Two
                                >> >>>> radios? Three radios?
                                >> >>>>
                                >> >>>> Howard
                                >> >>>>
                                >> >>>> --- In digsstv@yahoogroups.com, Andy Eskelson <andyyahoo@...> wrote:
                                >> >>>>
                                >> >>>>
                                >> >>>>> I have found HRD to be a bit broken in terms of comms, (it cannot
                                >> >>>>> handle
                                >> >>>>> multiple ICOM Rigs on the CI-V interface). I had a long play with
                                >> >>>>> HRD
                                >> >>>>> trying to get it to work, and I almost suceeded. Unfort. HRD itself
                                >> >>>>> was
                                >> >>>>> the problem in my case, so it got deleted, and I've never looked at
                                >> >>>>> it
                                >> >>>>> since. (This was about over a year ago)
                                >> >>>>>
                                >> >>>>> However during testing I found a very useful utility that you might
                                >> >>>>> like
                                >> >>>>> to try. It's called VSPE, Virtual Serial Port Emulator. as the name
                                >> >>>>> implies it allows you to set up a virtual com port, (or several)
                                >> >>>>> and
                                >> >>>>> direct the comms between them. As all you need to do in this case
                                >> >>>>> is to
                                >> >>>>> direct the CAT commands to the rig you can simply set up a shared
                                >> >>>>> com
                                >> >>>>> port.
                                >> >>>>>
                                >> >>>>> VSPE and HRD worked fine in terms of passing data from the virtual
                                >> >>>>> com
                                >> >>>>> port to the physical port. From memory I set up a simple splitter
                                >> >>>>> device
                                >> >>>>> called com10 which used the real com4 port as the physical device.
                                >> >>>>> VSPE
                                >> >>>>> allows a com port to be opened multiple times by different
                                >> >>>>> applications,
                                >> >>>>> so you just configure HRD to use com 10, and Easypal to do the
                                >> >>>>> same.
                                >> >>>>> VSPE will do the sharing for you. I think it would be worth a try.
                                >> >>>>>
                                >> >>>>>
                                >> >>>>> The software is free, and has a few other
                                >> >>>>> useful functions. It's a good "toolbox" utility.
                                >> >>>>>
                                >> >>>>> See:
                                >> >>>>>
                                >> >>>>> http://www.eterlogic.com/Products.VSPE.html
                                >> >>>>>
                                >> >>>>>
                                >> >>>>> Andy
                                >> >>>>>
                                >> >>>>>
                                >> >>>>>
                                >> >>>>>
                                >> >>>>>
                                >> >>>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:22:51 -0000
                                >> >>>>> "g4awj" <gordon.g4awj@...> wrote:
                                >> >>>>>
                                >> >>>>>
                                >> >>>>>
                                >> >>>>>> I use Ham Radio Deluxe via CAT to control my transceiver and
                                >> >>>>>> programs
                                >> >>>>>> apart from PSK and DM780 and my radio log I also use MMSSTV that
                                >> >>>>>> has and associated
                                >> >>>>>> HRDPTT.DLL so I can operate MMSSTV PTT thru HRD, my problem is
                                >> >>>>>> that to use Easypal I have to close down HRD and then use an
                                >> >>>>>> interface to have PTT for easypal,cannot the powers that be
                                >> >>>>>> produce a DLL such as HRDPT
                                >> >>>>>> so that easypal operates thru HRD, many HRD and easypal users I
                                >> >>>>>> have spoke to would welcome this.
                                >> >>>>>> Gordon.G4AWJ.
                                >> >>>>>>
                                >> >>>>>>
                                >> >>>>>>
                                >> >>>>
                                >> >>>>
                                >> >>>
                                >> >>>
                                >> >>>
                                >> >
                                >> >
                                >> > ------------------------------------
                                >> >
                                >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                >> >
                                >> >
                                >> >
                                >> >
                                >> >
                                >>
                                >
                                >
                                > ------------------------------------
                                >
                                > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                >
                                >
                                >
                              • Andy Eskelson
                                Out of your hands Erik, it will sort itself out eventually. The nameservers for the site are reporting that the server is down, so it s something that has
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                                  Out of your hands Erik,

                                  it will sort itself out eventually.

                                  The nameservers for the site are reporting that the server is down, so
                                  it's something that has happend at the remote ISP. Once the nameservers
                                  update again it will prob start working.

                                  Andy




                                  On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:08:37 +0200
                                  Erik Jakobsen <eja@...> wrote:

                                  > Hi Andy
                                  >
                                  > And how can I help you now ?.
                                  >
                                  > /Erik
                                  > > There is something odd going on, dig and nslookup both return SERVFAIL
                                  > > so it looks like something has upset the DNS. Don't clear your local
                                  > > cache or you might lose access as well.
                                  > >
                                  > > Andy
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:09:58 +0200
                                  > > Erik Jakobsen <eja@...> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >> Welcome Andy.
                                  > >>
                                  > >> Funny its is, I have no problems here.
                                  > >> Try this, and then click your native language.
                                  > >>
                                  > >> http://www.remoterig.com/
                                  > >>
                                  > >> Come back again, if this link doesn't work.
                                  > >>
                                  > >> /Erik
                                  > >>
                                  > >> P.S. But I think you have tested the above link ?
                                  > >> Pls tell me it.
                                  > >>
                                  > >>
                                  > >>
                                  > >>> Thanks Erik,
                                  > >>>
                                  > >>> Unfortunately it looks as if that link is dead.
                                  > >>>
                                  > >>> The address you gave agrees with a google search, but it comes back to an
                                  > >>> address not found.
                                  > >>>
                                  > >>> The domain is still valid until dec 20, so it could be an ISP problem.
                                  > >>>
                                  > >>> Google has some pages in cache, and this seems to be a single radio
                                  > >>> extended control over TCP/IP.
                                  > >>>
                                  > >>> Andy
                                  > >>>
                                  > >>>
                                  > >>>
                                  > >>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:17:54 +0200
                                  > >>> Erik Jakobsen <eja@...> wrote:
                                  > >>>
                                  > >>>
                                  > >>>
                                  > >>>> Hi Andy,
                                  > >>>>
                                  > >>>> Here is a link to a Swedish ham, that makes remote control:
                                  > >>>>
                                  > >>>> http://www.remoterig.com/en/index.htm
                                  > >>>>
                                  > >>>> 73s-Erik-OZ4KK
                                  > >>>>
                                  > >>>>
                                  > >>>>> Hi Howard,
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>> Yes, I wanted to control three rigs. HF, VHF and scanner.
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>> The CI-V interface is a multi-drop serial system, essentially it is an
                                  > >>>>> open collector output that pulls the Tx line down, all radios listen on
                                  > >>>>> the Rx Line. This all happens at 5V level.There is a CI-V interface
                                  > >>>>> (the CT-17) that does the level conversion to RS232, and allows up 4 rigs
                                  > >>>>> to be plugged into it.
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>> Each rig has a CI-V address that allows you to "talk" to each radio
                                  > >>>>> individually, and of course identify which radio is talking back. It is
                                  > >>>>> a VERY simple protocol, and has been used for years.
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>> The problem with HRD it that it does not appear to implement the CI-V
                                  > >>>>> protocol on a single port (if it implements it at all), so it gets
                                  > >>>>> totally confused with the normal CI-V setup.
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>> If you use separate com ports, each with it's own ct17 (or home brew
                                  > >>>>> alternative) then HRD is reasonably happy. but it's not
                                  > >>>>> a good solution especially as the CI-V is designed to control multiple
                                  > >>>>> radios in the first place.
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>> The problem is prob. caused by the initial design of HRD, which I
                                  > >>>>> would guess was developed for CAT type interfaces. I'm not 100% sure
                                  > >>>>> about this, never having used a CAT based Rig, but I think that CAT is a
                                  > >>>>> single radio only control system, so you have to use a dedicated com port
                                  > >>>>> for each. The CI-V option was obviously just bolted on in a similar manner
                                  > >>>>> assuming one radio per com port. Which to be fair, makes sense looking at
                                  > >>>>> it from that point of view. but it's not the "right way" to do things.
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>> I also found that HRD was not very happy with the 910, it did not seem to
                                  > >>>>> understand the dual band aspects very well. Admittedly that could have
                                  > >>>>> been simply due to me needing to set something up, but I was not really
                                  > >>>>> interested in that part at the time, and when I found that HRD did not
                                  > >>>>> do what I expected, I did not pursue the issue.
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>> At the time I was looking at a rebuild of the shack, and being able to
                                  > >>>>> control the rigs remotely would have provided a few other options for
                                  > >>>>> layout, and so on.
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>> What I wanted was to end up with a screen showing all the rigs, and to be
                                  > >>>>> able to control them from there. It's nothing more than that. I know
                                  > >>>>> there are two or three commercial / semi commercial alternatives,
                                  > >>>>> available, but the requirement does not justify the expense. (I'm not
                                  > >>>>> into contesting, or collecting DX awards and so on, just simple
                                  > >>>>> rag-chewing so I don't need all the fancy features). There is also Dx Lab
                                  > >>>>> which does work with the multiple radios but in a very limited manner and
                                  > >>>>> is not really what is needed.
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>> I was looking at a logbook type function as well, but to be honest,
                                  > >>>>> most of them were so over complicated that I very quickly lost interest
                                  > >>>>> in that aspect, I'll stick to the paper log for now :-))
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>> During all this testing was when I came across VSPE, which has proved
                                  > >>>>> useful on a couple of other projects.
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>> Should the need really arise, I could also knock up a few perl (or
                                  > >>>>> something) scripts to do what I want.
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>> Andy
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:50:32 -0000
                                  > >>>>> "Howard Z" <Howard_Z@...> wrote:
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>>> Andy,
                                  > >>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>> Interesting, you wanted to control multiple radios on the same CIV port. How many radios are you trying to control at once? Two radios? Three radios?
                                  > >>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>> Howard
                                  > >>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>> --- In digsstv@yahoogroups.com, Andy Eskelson <andyyahoo@...> wrote:
                                  > >>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>> I have found HRD to be a bit broken in terms of comms, (it cannot handle
                                  > >>>>>>> multiple ICOM Rigs on the CI-V interface). I had a long play with HRD
                                  > >>>>>>> trying to get it to work, and I almost suceeded. Unfort. HRD itself was
                                  > >>>>>>> the problem in my case, so it got deleted, and I've never looked at it
                                  > >>>>>>> since. (This was about over a year ago)
                                  > >>>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>> However during testing I found a very useful utility that you might like
                                  > >>>>>>> to try. It's called VSPE, Virtual Serial Port Emulator. as the name
                                  > >>>>>>> implies it allows you to set up a virtual com port, (or several) and
                                  > >>>>>>> direct the comms between them. As all you need to do in this case is to
                                  > >>>>>>> direct the CAT commands to the rig you can simply set up a shared com
                                  > >>>>>>> port.
                                  > >>>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>> VSPE and HRD worked fine in terms of passing data from the virtual com
                                  > >>>>>>> port to the physical port. From memory I set up a simple splitter device
                                  > >>>>>>> called com10 which used the real com4 port as the physical device. VSPE
                                  > >>>>>>> allows a com port to be opened multiple times by different applications,
                                  > >>>>>>> so you just configure HRD to use com 10, and Easypal to do the same.
                                  > >>>>>>> VSPE will do the sharing for you. I think it would be worth a try.
                                  > >>>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>> The software is free, and has a few other
                                  > >>>>>>> useful functions. It's a good "toolbox" utility.
                                  > >>>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>> See:
                                  > >>>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>> http://www.eterlogic.com/Products.VSPE.html
                                  > >>>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>> Andy
                                  > >>>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:22:51 -0000
                                  > >>>>>>> "g4awj" <gordon.g4awj@...> wrote:
                                  > >>>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>>> I use Ham Radio Deluxe via CAT to control my transceiver and programs
                                  > >>>>>>>> apart from PSK and DM780 and my radio log I also use MMSSTV that has and associated
                                  > >>>>>>>> HRDPTT.DLL so I can operate MMSSTV PTT thru HRD, my problem is that to use Easypal I have to close down HRD and then use an interface to have PTT for easypal,cannot the powers that be produce a DLL such as HRDPT
                                  > >>>>>>>> so that easypal operates thru HRD, many HRD and easypal users I have spoke to would welcome this.
                                  > >>>>>>>> Gordon.G4AWJ.
                                  > >>>>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>>
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>>>>
                                  > >>> ------------------------------------
                                  > >>>
                                  > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                  > >>>
                                  > >>>
                                  > >>>
                                  > >>>
                                  > >>>
                                  > >>>
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > ------------------------------------
                                  > >
                                  > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  >
                                • Andy Eskelson
                                  No, I can get to the remote nameservers fine. They are reporting servfail so will not resolve the site address. Other nameservers will have the site address
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                                    No, I can get to the remote nameservers fine. They are reporting
                                    servfail so will not resolve the site address.

                                    Other nameservers will have the site address cached as will many peoples
                                    local caches hence some will find the site OK.

                                    This sort of thing normally sorts itself out fairly quickly.


                                    Andy




                                    On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:43:27 -0700
                                    "jdow" <jdow@...> wrote:

                                    > You might have proxy or firewall problems. The site works fine.
                                    >
                                    > {^_^}
                                    > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > From: "Andy Eskelson" <andyyahoo@...>
                                    > To: <digsstv@yahoogroups.com>
                                    > Sent: Tuesday, 2009/October/13 09:45
                                    > Subject: Re: [digsstv] Re: easypal
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > > There is something odd going on, dig and nslookup both return SERVFAIL
                                    > > so it looks like something has upset the DNS. Don't clear your local
                                    > > cache or you might lose access as well.
                                    > >
                                    > > Andy
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:09:58 +0200
                                    > > Erik Jakobsen <eja@...> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > >> Welcome Andy.
                                    > >>
                                    > >> Funny its is, I have no problems here.
                                    > >> Try this, and then click your native language.
                                    > >>
                                    > >> http://www.remoterig.com/
                                    > >>
                                    > >> Come back again, if this link doesn't work.
                                    > >>
                                    > >> /Erik
                                    > >>
                                    > >> P.S. But I think you have tested the above link ?
                                    > >> Pls tell me it.
                                    > >>
                                    > >>
                                    > >> > Thanks Erik,
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > Unfortunately it looks as if that link is dead.
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > The address you gave agrees with a google search, but it comes back to
                                    > >> > an
                                    > >> > address not found.
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > The domain is still valid until dec 20, so it could be an ISP problem.
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > Google has some pages in cache, and this seems to be a single radio
                                    > >> > extended control over TCP/IP.
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > Andy
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:17:54 +0200
                                    > >> > Erik Jakobsen <eja@...> wrote:
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> >> Hi Andy,
                                    > >> >>
                                    > >> >> Here is a link to a Swedish ham, that makes remote control:
                                    > >> >>
                                    > >> >> http://www.remoterig.com/en/index.htm
                                    > >> >>
                                    > >> >> 73s-Erik-OZ4KK
                                    > >> >>
                                    > >> >>> Hi Howard,
                                    > >> >>>
                                    > >> >>> Yes, I wanted to control three rigs. HF, VHF and scanner.
                                    > >> >>>
                                    > >> >>> The CI-V interface is a multi-drop serial system, essentially it is
                                    > >> >>> an
                                    > >> >>> open collector output that pulls the Tx line down, all radios listen
                                    > >> >>> on
                                    > >> >>> the Rx Line. This all happens at 5V level.There is a CI-V interface
                                    > >> >>> (the CT-17) that does the level conversion to RS232, and allows up 4
                                    > >> >>> rigs
                                    > >> >>> to be plugged into it.
                                    > >> >>>
                                    > >> >>>
                                    > >> >>> Each rig has a CI-V address that allows you to "talk" to each radio
                                    > >> >>> individually, and of course identify which radio is talking back. It
                                    > >> >>> is
                                    > >> >>> a VERY simple protocol, and has been used for years.
                                    > >> >>>
                                    > >> >>> The problem with HRD it that it does not appear to implement the CI-V
                                    > >> >>> protocol on a single port (if it implements it at all), so it gets
                                    > >> >>> totally confused with the normal CI-V setup.
                                    > >> >>>
                                    > >> >>> If you use separate com ports, each with it's own ct17 (or home brew
                                    > >> >>> alternative) then HRD is reasonably happy. but it's not
                                    > >> >>> a good solution especially as the CI-V is designed to control
                                    > >> >>> multiple
                                    > >> >>> radios in the first place.
                                    > >> >>>
                                    > >> >>> The problem is prob. caused by the initial design of HRD, which I
                                    > >> >>> would guess was developed for CAT type interfaces. I'm not 100% sure
                                    > >> >>> about this, never having used a CAT based Rig, but I think that CAT
                                    > >> >>> is a
                                    > >> >>> single radio only control system, so you have to use a dedicated com
                                    > >> >>> port
                                    > >> >>> for each. The CI-V option was obviously just bolted on in a similar
                                    > >> >>> manner
                                    > >> >>> assuming one radio per com port. Which to be fair, makes sense
                                    > >> >>> looking at
                                    > >> >>> it from that point of view. but it's not the "right way" to do
                                    > >> >>> things.
                                    > >> >>>
                                    > >> >>> I also found that HRD was not very happy with the 910, it did not
                                    > >> >>> seem to
                                    > >> >>> understand the dual band aspects very well. Admittedly that could
                                    > >> >>> have
                                    > >> >>> been simply due to me needing to set something up, but I was not
                                    > >> >>> really
                                    > >> >>> interested in that part at the time, and when I found that HRD did
                                    > >> >>> not
                                    > >> >>> do what I expected, I did not pursue the issue.
                                    > >> >>>
                                    > >> >>> At the time I was looking at a rebuild of the shack, and being able
                                    > >> >>> to
                                    > >> >>> control the rigs remotely would have provided a few other options for
                                    > >> >>> layout, and so on.
                                    > >> >>>
                                    > >> >>> What I wanted was to end up with a screen showing all the rigs, and
                                    > >> >>> to be
                                    > >> >>> able to control them from there. It's nothing more than that. I know
                                    > >> >>> there are two or three commercial / semi commercial alternatives,
                                    > >> >>> available, but the requirement does not justify the expense. (I'm not
                                    > >> >>> into contesting, or collecting DX awards and so on, just simple
                                    > >> >>> rag-chewing so I don't need all the fancy features). There is also Dx
                                    > >> >>> Lab
                                    > >> >>> which does work with the multiple radios but in a very limited manner
                                    > >> >>> and
                                    > >> >>> is not really what is needed.
                                    > >> >>>
                                    > >> >>> I was looking at a logbook type function as well, but to be honest,
                                    > >> >>> most of them were so over complicated that I very quickly lost
                                    > >> >>> interest
                                    > >> >>> in that aspect, I'll stick to the paper log for now :-))
                                    > >> >>>
                                    > >> >>> During all this testing was when I came across VSPE, which has proved
                                    > >> >>> useful on a couple of other projects.
                                    > >> >>>
                                    > >> >>> Should the need really arise, I could also knock up a few perl (or
                                    > >> >>> something) scripts to do what I want.
                                    > >> >>>
                                    > >> >>> Andy
                                    > >> >>>
                                    > >> >>>
                                    > >> >>>
                                    > >> >>>
                                    > >> >>>
                                    > >> >>>
                                    > >> >>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:50:32 -0000
                                    > >> >>> "Howard Z" <Howard_Z@...> wrote:
                                    > >> >>>
                                    > >> >>>
                                    > >> >>>
                                    > >> >>>> Andy,
                                    > >> >>>>
                                    > >> >>>> Interesting, you wanted to control multiple radios on the same CIV
                                    > >> >>>> port. How many radios are you trying to control at once? Two
                                    > >> >>>> radios? Three radios?
                                    > >> >>>>
                                    > >> >>>> Howard
                                    > >> >>>>
                                    > >> >>>> --- In digsstv@yahoogroups.com, Andy Eskelson <andyyahoo@...> wrote:
                                    > >> >>>>
                                    > >> >>>>
                                    > >> >>>>> I have found HRD to be a bit broken in terms of comms, (it cannot
                                    > >> >>>>> handle
                                    > >> >>>>> multiple ICOM Rigs on the CI-V interface). I had a long play with
                                    > >> >>>>> HRD
                                    > >> >>>>> trying to get it to work, and I almost suceeded. Unfort. HRD itself
                                    > >> >>>>> was
                                    > >> >>>>> the problem in my case, so it got deleted, and I've never looked at
                                    > >> >>>>> it
                                    > >> >>>>> since. (This was about over a year ago)
                                    > >> >>>>>
                                    > >> >>>>> However during testing I found a very useful utility that you might
                                    > >> >>>>> like
                                    > >> >>>>> to try. It's called VSPE, Virtual Serial Port Emulator. as the name
                                    > >> >>>>> implies it allows you to set up a virtual com port, (or several)
                                    > >> >>>>> and
                                    > >> >>>>> direct the comms between them. As all you need to do in this case
                                    > >> >>>>> is to
                                    > >> >>>>> direct the CAT commands to the rig you can simply set up a shared
                                    > >> >>>>> com
                                    > >> >>>>> port.
                                    > >> >>>>>
                                    > >> >>>>> VSPE and HRD worked fine in terms of passing data from the virtual
                                    > >> >>>>> com
                                    > >> >>>>> port to the physical port. From memory I set up a simple splitter
                                    > >> >>>>> device
                                    > >> >>>>> called com10 which used the real com4 port as the physical device.
                                    > >> >>>>> VSPE
                                    > >> >>>>> allows a com port to be opened multiple times by different
                                    > >> >>>>> applications,
                                    > >> >>>>> so you just configure HRD to use com 10, and Easypal to do the
                                    > >> >>>>> same.
                                    > >> >>>>> VSPE will do the sharing for you. I think it would be worth a try.
                                    > >> >>>>>
                                    > >> >>>>>
                                    > >> >>>>> The software is free, and has a few other
                                    > >> >>>>> useful functions. It's a good "toolbox" utility.
                                    > >> >>>>>
                                    > >> >>>>> See:
                                    > >> >>>>>
                                    > >> >>>>> http://www.eterlogic.com/Products.VSPE.html
                                    > >> >>>>>
                                    > >> >>>>>
                                    > >> >>>>> Andy
                                    > >> >>>>>
                                    > >> >>>>>
                                    > >> >>>>>
                                    > >> >>>>>
                                    > >> >>>>>
                                    > >> >>>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:22:51 -0000
                                    > >> >>>>> "g4awj" <gordon.g4awj@...> wrote:
                                    > >> >>>>>
                                    > >> >>>>>
                                    > >> >>>>>
                                    > >> >>>>>> I use Ham Radio Deluxe via CAT to control my transceiver and
                                    > >> >>>>>> programs
                                    > >> >>>>>> apart from PSK and DM780 and my radio log I also use MMSSTV that
                                    > >> >>>>>> has and associated
                                    > >> >>>>>> HRDPTT.DLL so I can operate MMSSTV PTT thru HRD, my problem is
                                    > >> >>>>>> that to use Easypal I have to close down HRD and then use an
                                    > >> >>>>>> interface to have PTT for easypal,cannot the powers that be
                                    > >> >>>>>> produce a DLL such as HRDPT
                                    > >> >>>>>> so that easypal operates thru HRD, many HRD and easypal users I
                                    > >> >>>>>> have spoke to would welcome this.
                                    > >> >>>>>> Gordon.G4AWJ.
                                    > >> >>>>>>
                                    > >> >>>>>>
                                    > >> >>>>>>
                                    > >> >>>>
                                    > >> >>>>
                                    > >> >>>
                                    > >> >>>
                                    > >> >>>
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > ------------------------------------
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> >
                                    > >>
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > ------------------------------------
                                    > >
                                    > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                  • Andy Eskelson
                                    I can t really agree with that, but I know what you mean. The CI-V was designed for control not grabbing loads of data. So for what I want to do it will work
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                                      I can't really agree with that, but I know what you mean. The CI-V was
                                      designed for control not grabbing loads of data. So for what I want to do
                                      it will work just fine.


                                      Ethernet would be a nice, and nowadays just as cheap as anything else, it
                                      would also have sensible line lengths unlike that 'orrible' USB stuff.
                                      Another USB lead has just fallen out of it's socket here... so I'm not
                                      happy with them, as I had to go pot-holing under the bench to replug it.

                                      I think I'll have to add a spot of the old silicone sealer to keep the
                                      socket in place.

                                      Andy



                                      On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:39:18 -0700
                                      "jdow" <jdow@...> wrote:


                                      > That is the way to do it. ICOM **REALLY** screwed up their CIV/CAT
                                      > protocol resulting in huge amounts of traffic for really simple tasks
                                      > at unrealistically low transmit bandwidths. I wanted to explore some


                                      ....


                                      > {^_^} Joanne, W6MKU, maybe being a little more acerbic than usual.
                                      >
                                    • Andy Eskelson
                                      Yes, I found that it does work on a one com port to one rig basis. As most people will prob only have one rig then that would be fine. Just not what I
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                                        Yes, I found that it does work on a one com port <>to one rig basis.
                                        As most people will prob only have one rig then that would be fine.

                                        Just not what I needed.


                                        Controlling more that one rig at a time would require quite a major
                                        rewrite of the program, so I'm not surprised it has not happened as
                                        yet.


                                        Andy



                                        On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:37:04 +0100
                                        Dave Ackrill <dave.g0dja@...> wrote:

                                        > Andy Eskelson wrote:
                                        >
                                        > > The problem with HRD it that it does not appear to implement the CI-V
                                        > > protocol on a single port (if it implements it at all), so it gets
                                        > > totally confused with the normal CI-V setup.
                                        >
                                        > Ham Radio Deluxe used to support more than one Icom radio, and the owner
                                        > and programmer, Simon (HB9DRV), has said that he intends to implement a
                                        > system that will allow one instance of HRD to control more than one
                                        > radio, Icom or not, but no promises as to when that will be implemented
                                        > as yet.
                                        >
                                        > There are many Icom users of HRD who are using it to control their
                                        > Icoms, so it does work. If only on one radio at a time.
                                        >
                                        > Dave (G0DJA)
                                      • Dave Ackrill
                                        ... Yes, I can see the site as well, but I m not in the market for another interface. I m sure it s a very good system, but I don t have a need for it at the
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                                          jdow wrote:
                                          > You might have proxy or firewall problems. The site works fine.

                                          Yes, I can see the site as well, but I'm not in the market for another
                                          interface.

                                          I'm sure it's a very good system, but I don't have a need for it at the
                                          moment.

                                          Dave (G0DJA)
                                        • Andy Eskelson
                                          Just seen a report on the newsfeeds, Sweden s entire DNS zone file got zapped. See:
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                                            Just seen a report on the newsfeeds,

                                            Sweden's entire DNS zone file got zapped. See:

                                            http://royal.pingdom.com/2009/10/13/sweden%25E2%2580%2599s-internet-broken-by-dns-mistake/


                                            Andy




                                            On Tue, 13 Oct 2009
                                            22:44:00 +0100 Dave Ackrill <dave.g0dja@...> wrote:

                                            > jdow wrote:
                                            > > You might have proxy or firewall problems. The site works fine.
                                            >
                                            > Yes, I can see the site as well, but I'm not in the market for another
                                            > interface.
                                            >
                                            > I'm sure it's a very good system, but I don't have a need for it at the
                                            > moment.
                                            >
                                            > Dave (G0DJA)
                                          • Howard Z
                                            Andy, I have been writing rig control software for almost a year. My emphasis is on computer controlled tuners like the excellent Palstar AT AUTO and (the not
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                                              Andy,

                                              I have been writing rig control software for almost a year. My emphasis is on computer controlled tuners like the excellent Palstar AT AUTO and (the not so excellent) LDG AT200PC, but I have been adding rig control for a small number of radio models. I have not thought about supporting multiple radios at the same time. It sounds do-able.

                                              One problem in having multiple devices on the CI-V bus is that if two devices write to the bus at the same time, then data will be garbled or lost. However rig control software primarily polls the radio on some regular basis for information and the radio only writes to the CIV bus in response to the computer asking for information. However, modern ICOM radios will broadcast onto the CI-V their frequency every time the frequency is changed.

                                              A similar thing happens with sharing a port with VSPE. If two programs write to the shared VSPE com port at the same time, I strongly suspect that the stream of bytes coming from one program is randomly merged with the stream of bytes coming from the second program. This results is garbled kaos. Just a thought for you about what applications you use with VSPE. So, I think VSPE shared port needs care - best to have just one program write and the others just listen. Or, have some controlled shared writing where simultaneous writing by multiple programs is avoided. BTW, I think the free VSPE is a wonderful and useful application - just pointing out its likely shot-falls.

                                              Howard

                                              --- In digsstv@yahoogroups.com, Andy Eskelson <andyyahoo@...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > Hi Howard,
                                              >
                                              > Yes, I wanted to control three rigs. HF, VHF and scanner.
                                              >
                                              > The CI-V interface is a multi-drop serial system, essentially it is an
                                              > open collector output that pulls the Tx line down, all radios listen on
                                              > the Rx Line. This all happens at 5V level.There is a CI-V interface
                                              > (the CT-17) that does the level conversion to RS232, and allows up 4 rigs
                                              > to be plugged into it.
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Each rig has a CI-V address that allows you to "talk" to each radio
                                              > individually, and of course identify which radio is talking back. It is
                                              > a VERY simple protocol, and has been used for years.
                                              >
                                              > The problem with HRD it that it does not appear to implement the CI-V
                                              > protocol on a single port (if it implements it at all), so it gets
                                              > totally confused with the normal CI-V setup.
                                              >
                                              > If you use separate com ports, each with it's own ct17 (or home brew
                                              > alternative) then HRD is reasonably happy. but it's not
                                              > a good solution especially as the CI-V is designed to control multiple
                                              > radios in the first place.
                                              >
                                              > The problem is prob. caused by the initial design of HRD, which I
                                              > would guess was developed for CAT type interfaces. I'm not 100% sure
                                              > about this, never having used a CAT based Rig, but I think that CAT is a
                                              > single radio only control system, so you have to use a dedicated com port
                                              > for each. The CI-V option was obviously just bolted on in a similar manner
                                              > assuming one radio per com port. Which to be fair, makes sense looking at
                                              > it from that point of view. but it's not the "right way" to do things.
                                              >
                                              > I also found that HRD was not very happy with the 910, it did not seem to
                                              > understand the dual band aspects very well. Admittedly that could have
                                              > been simply due to me needing to set something up, but I was not really
                                              > interested in that part at the time, and when I found that HRD did not
                                              > do what I expected, I did not pursue the issue.
                                              >
                                              > At the time I was looking at a rebuild of the shack, and being able to
                                              > control the rigs remotely would have provided a few other options for
                                              > layout, and so on.
                                              >
                                              > What I wanted was to end up with a screen showing all the rigs, and to be
                                              > able to control them from there. It's nothing more than that. I know
                                              > there are two or three commercial / semi commercial alternatives,
                                              > available, but the requirement does not justify the expense. (I'm not
                                              > into contesting, or collecting DX awards and so on, just simple
                                              > rag-chewing so I don't need all the fancy features). There is also Dx Lab
                                              > which does work with the multiple radios but in a very limited manner and
                                              > is not really what is needed.
                                              >
                                              > I was looking at a logbook type function as well, but to be honest,
                                              > most of them were so over complicated that I very quickly lost interest
                                              > in that aspect, I'll stick to the paper log for now :-))
                                              >
                                              > During all this testing was when I came across VSPE, which has proved
                                              > useful on a couple of other projects.
                                              >
                                              > Should the need really arise, I could also knock up a few perl (or
                                              > something) scripts to do what I want.
                                              >
                                              > Andy
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:50:32 -0000
                                              > "Howard Z" <Howard_Z@...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > > Andy,
                                              > >
                                              > > Interesting, you wanted to control multiple radios on the same CIV port. How many radios are you trying to control at once? Two radios? Three radios?
                                              > >
                                              > > Howard
                                              > >
                                              > > --- In digsstv@yahoogroups.com, Andy Eskelson <andyyahoo@> wrote:
                                              > > >
                                              > > > I have found HRD to be a bit broken in terms of comms, (it cannot handle
                                              > > > multiple ICOM Rigs on the CI-V interface). I had a long play with HRD
                                              > > > trying to get it to work, and I almost suceeded. Unfort. HRD itself was
                                              > > > the problem in my case, so it got deleted, and I've never looked at it
                                              > > > since. (This was about over a year ago)
                                              > > >
                                              > > > However during testing I found a very useful utility that you might like
                                              > > > to try. It's called VSPE, Virtual Serial Port Emulator. as the name
                                              > > > implies it allows you to set up a virtual com port, (or several) and
                                              > > > direct the comms between them. As all you need to do in this case is to
                                              > > > direct the CAT commands to the rig you can simply set up a shared com
                                              > > > port.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > VSPE and HRD worked fine in terms of passing data from the virtual com
                                              > > > port to the physical port. From memory I set up a simple splitter device
                                              > > > called com10 which used the real com4 port as the physical device. VSPE
                                              > > > allows a com port to be opened multiple times by different applications,
                                              > > > so you just configure HRD to use com 10, and Easypal to do the same.
                                              > > > VSPE will do the sharing for you. I think it would be worth a try.
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > > The software is free, and has a few other
                                              > > > useful functions. It's a good "toolbox" utility.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > See:
                                              > > >
                                              > > > http://www.eterlogic.com/Products.VSPE.html
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Andy
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > > On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:22:51 -0000
                                              > > > "g4awj" <gordon.g4awj@> wrote:
                                              > > >
                                              > > > > I use Ham Radio Deluxe via CAT to control my transceiver and programs
                                              > > > > apart from PSK and DM780 and my radio log I also use MMSSTV that has and associated
                                              > > > > HRDPTT.DLL so I can operate MMSSTV PTT thru HRD, my problem is that to use Easypal I have to close down HRD and then use an interface to have PTT for easypal,cannot the powers that be produce a DLL such as HRDPT
                                              > > > > so that easypal operates thru HRD, many HRD and easypal users I have spoke to would welcome this.
                                              > > > > Gordon.G4AWJ.
                                              > > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              >
                                            • Erik Jakobsen
                                              Hi Andy All ok. I think it s a nice tool. I know some Danish hams, that use the Remoterig. For instance if they have a Kenwood 480 or an ICOM 706, they pull of
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                                                Hi Andy

                                                All ok. I think it's a nice tool. I know some Danish hams, that use the
                                                Remoterig.
                                                For instance if they have a Kenwood 480 or an ICOM 706, they pull of the
                                                front,
                                                and take it with them on vacations. Then they leave the radio itself at
                                                home, and
                                                then from the places where they stay for a while, they connect to the
                                                internet, and
                                                control their radio at home. And without using a computer but the
                                                Remoterig hardware
                                                in both places.
                                                Works just excellent.
                                                Also nice if you live in a town, and have a summer recidence.

                                                Erik
                                                > Out of your hands Erik,
                                                >
                                                > it will sort itself out eventually.
                                                >
                                                > The nameservers for the site are reporting that the server is down, so
                                                > it's something that has happend at the remote ISP. Once the nameservers
                                                > update again it will prob start working.
                                                >
                                                > Andy
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:08:37 +0200
                                                > Erik Jakobsen <eja@...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >> Hi Andy
                                                >>
                                                >> And how can I help you now ?.
                                                >>
                                                >> /Erik
                                                >>
                                                >>> There is something odd going on, dig and nslookup both return SERVFAIL
                                                >>> so it looks like something has upset the DNS. Don't clear your local
                                                >>> cache or you might lose access as well.
                                                >>>
                                                >>> Andy
                                                >>>
                                                >>>
                                                >>>
                                                >>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:09:58 +0200
                                                >>> Erik Jakobsen <eja@...> wrote:
                                                >>>
                                                >>>
                                                >>>
                                                >>>> Welcome Andy.
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>> Funny its is, I have no problems here.
                                                >>>> Try this, and then click your native language.
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>> http://www.remoterig.com/
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>> Come back again, if this link doesn't work.
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>> /Erik
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>> P.S. But I think you have tested the above link ?
                                                >>>> Pls tell me it.
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>>> Thanks Erik,
                                                >>>>>
                                                >>>>> Unfortunately it looks as if that link is dead.
                                                >>>>>
                                                >>>>> The address you gave agrees with a google search, but it comes back to an
                                                >>>>> address not found.
                                                >>>>>
                                                >>>>> The domain is still valid until dec 20, so it could be an ISP problem.
                                                >>>>>
                                                >>>>> Google has some pages in cache, and this seems to be a single radio
                                                >>>>> extended control over TCP/IP.
                                                >>>>>
                                                >>>>> Andy
                                                >>>>>
                                                >>>>>
                                                >>>>>
                                                >>>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:17:54 +0200
                                                >>>>> Erik Jakobsen <eja@...> wrote:
                                                >>>>>
                                                >>>>>
                                                >>>>>
                                                >>>>>
                                                >>>>>> Hi Andy,
                                                >>>>>>
                                                >>>>>> Here is a link to a Swedish ham, that makes remote control:
                                                >>>>>>
                                                >>>>>> http://www.remoterig.com/en/index.htm
                                                >>>>>>
                                                >>>>>> 73s-Erik-OZ4KK
                                                >>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>> Hi Howard,
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>> Yes, I wanted to control three rigs. HF, VHF and scanner.
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>> The CI-V interface is a multi-drop serial system, essentially it is an
                                                >>>>>>> open collector output that pulls the Tx line down, all radios listen on
                                                >>>>>>> the Rx Line. This all happens at 5V level.There is a CI-V interface
                                                >>>>>>> (the CT-17) that does the level conversion to RS232, and allows up 4 rigs
                                                >>>>>>> to be plugged into it.
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>> Each rig has a CI-V address that allows you to "talk" to each radio
                                                >>>>>>> individually, and of course identify which radio is talking back. It is
                                                >>>>>>> a VERY simple protocol, and has been used for years.
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>> The problem with HRD it that it does not appear to implement the CI-V
                                                >>>>>>> protocol on a single port (if it implements it at all), so it gets
                                                >>>>>>> totally confused with the normal CI-V setup.
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>> If you use separate com ports, each with it's own ct17 (or home brew
                                                >>>>>>> alternative) then HRD is reasonably happy. but it's not
                                                >>>>>>> a good solution especially as the CI-V is designed to control multiple
                                                >>>>>>> radios in the first place.
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>> The problem is prob. caused by the initial design of HRD, which I
                                                >>>>>>> would guess was developed for CAT type interfaces. I'm not 100% sure
                                                >>>>>>> about this, never having used a CAT based Rig, but I think that CAT is a
                                                >>>>>>> single radio only control system, so you have to use a dedicated com port
                                                >>>>>>> for each. The CI-V option was obviously just bolted on in a similar manner
                                                >>>>>>> assuming one radio per com port. Which to be fair, makes sense looking at
                                                >>>>>>> it from that point of view. but it's not the "right way" to do things.
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>> I also found that HRD was not very happy with the 910, it did not seem to
                                                >>>>>>> understand the dual band aspects very well. Admittedly that could have
                                                >>>>>>> been simply due to me needing to set something up, but I was not really
                                                >>>>>>> interested in that part at the time, and when I found that HRD did not
                                                >>>>>>> do what I expected, I did not pursue the issue.
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>> At the time I was looking at a rebuild of the shack, and being able to
                                                >>>>>>> control the rigs remotely would have provided a few other options for
                                                >>>>>>> layout, and so on.
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>> What I wanted was to end up with a screen showing all the rigs, and to be
                                                >>>>>>> able to control them from there. It's nothing more than that. I know
                                                >>>>>>> there are two or three commercial / semi commercial alternatives,
                                                >>>>>>> available, but the requirement does not justify the expense. (I'm not
                                                >>>>>>> into contesting, or collecting DX awards and so on, just simple
                                                >>>>>>> rag-chewing so I don't need all the fancy features). There is also Dx Lab
                                                >>>>>>> which does work with the multiple radios but in a very limited manner and
                                                >>>>>>> is not really what is needed.
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>> I was looking at a logbook type function as well, but to be honest,
                                                >>>>>>> most of them were so over complicated that I very quickly lost interest
                                                >>>>>>> in that aspect, I'll stick to the paper log for now :-))
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>> During all this testing was when I came across VSPE, which has proved
                                                >>>>>>> useful on a couple of other projects.
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>> Should the need really arise, I could also knock up a few perl (or
                                                >>>>>>> something) scripts to do what I want.
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>> Andy
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:50:32 -0000
                                                >>>>>>> "Howard Z" <Howard_Z@...> wrote:
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>> Andy,
                                                >>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>> Interesting, you wanted to control multiple radios on the same CIV port. How many radios are you trying to control at once? Two radios? Three radios?
                                                >>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>> Howard
                                                >>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>> --- In digsstv@yahoogroups.com, Andy Eskelson <andyyahoo@...> wrote:
                                                >>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>> I have found HRD to be a bit broken in terms of comms, (it cannot handle
                                                >>>>>>>>> multiple ICOM Rigs on the CI-V interface). I had a long play with HRD
                                                >>>>>>>>> trying to get it to work, and I almost suceeded. Unfort. HRD itself was
                                                >>>>>>>>> the problem in my case, so it got deleted, and I've never looked at it
                                                >>>>>>>>> since. (This was about over a year ago)
                                                >>>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>> However during testing I found a very useful utility that you might like
                                                >>>>>>>>> to try. It's called VSPE, Virtual Serial Port Emulator. as the name
                                                >>>>>>>>> implies it allows you to set up a virtual com port, (or several) and
                                                >>>>>>>>> direct the comms between them. As all you need to do in this case is to
                                                >>>>>>>>> direct the CAT commands to the rig you can simply set up a shared com
                                                >>>>>>>>> port.
                                                >>>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>> VSPE and HRD worked fine in terms of passing data from the virtual com
                                                >>>>>>>>> port to the physical port. From memory I set up a simple splitter device
                                                >>>>>>>>> called com10 which used the real com4 port as the physical device. VSPE
                                                >>>>>>>>> allows a com port to be opened multiple times by different applications,
                                                >>>>>>>>> so you just configure HRD to use com 10, and Easypal to do the same.
                                                >>>>>>>>> VSPE will do the sharing for you. I think it would be worth a try.
                                                >>>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>> The software is free, and has a few other
                                                >>>>>>>>> useful functions. It's a good "toolbox" utility.
                                                >>>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>> See:
                                                >>>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>> http://www.eterlogic.com/Products.VSPE.html
                                                >>>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>> Andy
                                                >>>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:22:51 -0000
                                                >>>>>>>>> "g4awj" <gordon.g4awj@...> wrote:
                                                >>>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>>> I use Ham Radio Deluxe via CAT to control my transceiver and programs
                                                >>>>>>>>>> apart from PSK and DM780 and my radio log I also use MMSSTV that has and associated
                                                >>>>>>>>>> HRDPTT.DLL so I can operate MMSSTV PTT thru HRD, my problem is that to use Easypal I have to close down HRD and then use an interface to have PTT for easypal,cannot the powers that be produce a DLL such as HRDPT
                                                >>>>>>>>>> so that easypal operates thru HRD, many HRD and easypal users I have spoke to would welcome this.
                                                >>>>>>>>>> Gordon.G4AWJ.
                                                >>>>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>>>>
                                                >>>>> ------------------------------------
                                                >>>>>
                                                >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                                >>>>>
                                                >>>>>
                                                >>>>>
                                                >>>>>
                                                >>>>>
                                                >>>>>
                                                >>>>>
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                                                >>>
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                                                >>>
                                                >>>
                                                >>>
                                                >>>
                                                >>>
                                                >>>
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                                                >
                                                >
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                                              • jdow
                                                From: Andy Eskelson Sent: Tuesday, 2009/October/13 14:32 ... Not necessarily - it could be done with a tab view. (Although I found
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                                                  From: "Andy Eskelson" <andyyahoo@...>
                                                  Sent: Tuesday, 2009/October/13 14:32


                                                  > Yes, I found that it does work on a one com port <>to one rig basis.
                                                  > As most people will prob only have one rig then that would be fine.
                                                  >
                                                  > Just not what I needed.
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > Controlling more that one rig at a time would require quite a major
                                                  > rewrite of the program, so I'm not surprised it has not happened as
                                                  > yet.
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > Andy

                                                  Not necessarily - it could be done with a tab view. (Although I found
                                                  that the communications rate would require disabling the views that
                                                  were not visible.)

                                                  {^_^} Joanne, W6MKU
                                                • Simon HB9DRV
                                                  You can control up to 255 radios with HTD and sync them. Just keep opening with the Connect window... Simon HB9DRV ... From: jdow
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                                                    You can control up to 255 radios with HTD and sync them. Just keep opening
                                                    with the Connect window...

                                                    Simon HB9DRV

                                                    --------------------------------------------------
                                                    From: "jdow" <jdow@...>
                                                    >
                                                    > Not necessarily - it could be done with a tab view. (Although I found
                                                    > that the communications rate would require disabling the views that
                                                    > were not visible.)
                                                    >
                                                  • Andy Eskelson
                                                    The problem with two devices talking at the same time is the classic problem with datacomms... You have three options to solve this. You either use a polling
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                                                      The problem with two devices talking at the same time is the classic
                                                      problem with datacomms...

                                                      You have three options to solve this. You either use a polling system
                                                      with a central controller. This is a very old method, and it's easy to
                                                      work with. You can use a flag to enable a particular device, this is
                                                      often known as a token, and from that you get token passing / ring
                                                      systems. Very good in terms of timing and such like, but the controllers
                                                      need a lot of "intelligence" and so are expensive. The third is to have
                                                      some form of protocol that detects data collisions and recovers from them.
                                                      From that you get the CSMA/CD type protocols. Which are used in the common
                                                      Ethernet systems. There are a few other systems about but they
                                                      generally work on one of these three methods.

                                                      CI-V uses CSMA/CD and does repeat the message on error detection.
                                                      You can also turn off the frequency change transmission. This is
                                                      normally done by setting transceive to OFF. The transceive feature is
                                                      really intended to link a pair of rigs to keep them in sync. I've never
                                                      found a use for this feature myself. However in the case of a tuner then
                                                      I can see that is one time where it might be of use.

                                                      Controlling multiple devices is fairly easy, providing as I've mentioned
                                                      elsewhere that the program is designed to do so in the first place.
                                                      Otherwise it can get very messy. The TCP sockets system is one example
                                                      of how multiple connections can be handled.

                                                      Any comm port splitter either hardware or software is use at you own
                                                      risk :-) However providing that the device you are talking to does not
                                                      echo the command back then things should work OK. I know CI-V does not
                                                      echo the commands, but I don't know about CAT. if it does then that
                                                      could be a problem, depends entirely on what programs are using the
                                                      comms.

                                                      VSPE has a nice little monitor function that enables you to see the
                                                      data going in each direction. (only one way at a time in the version I
                                                      have, but that helps a lot. When I want two way monitoring I set up a
                                                      splitter port and hang a terminal program on it to see one direction and
                                                      use VSPE to see the other direction.) Very useful for reverse engineering
                                                      oddball protocols.

                                                      Andy



                                                      On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:47:18 -0000
                                                      "Howard Z" <Howard_Z@...> wrote:

                                                      > Andy,
                                                      >
                                                      > I have been writing rig control software for almost a year. My emphasis is on computer controlled tuners like the excellent Palstar AT AUTO and (the not so excellent) LDG AT200PC, but I have been adding rig control for a small number of radio models. I have not thought about supporting multiple radios at the same time. It sounds do-able.
                                                      >
                                                      > One problem in having multiple devices on the CI-V bus is that if two devices write to the bus at the same time, then data will be garbled or lost. However rig control software primarily polls the radio on some regular basis for information and the radio only writes to the CIV bus in response to the computer asking for information. However, modern ICOM radios will broadcast onto the CI-V their frequency every time the frequency is changed.
                                                      >
                                                      > A similar thing happens with sharing a port with VSPE. If two programs write to the shared VSPE com port at the same time, I strongly suspect that the stream of bytes coming from one program is randomly merged with the stream of bytes coming from the second program. This results is garbled kaos. Just a thought for you about what applications you use with VSPE. So, I think VSPE shared port needs care - best to have just one program write and the others just listen. Or, have some controlled shared writing where simultaneous writing by multiple programs is avoided. BTW, I think the free VSPE is a wonderful and useful application - just pointing out its likely shot-falls.
                                                      >
                                                      > Howard
                                                      >
                                                      > --- In digsstv@yahoogroups.com, Andy Eskelson <andyyahoo@...> wrote:
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Hi Howard,
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Yes, I wanted to control three rigs. HF, VHF and scanner.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > The CI-V interface is a multi-drop serial system, essentially it is an
                                                      > > open collector output that pulls the Tx line down, all radios listen on
                                                      > > the Rx Line. This all happens at 5V level.There is a CI-V interface
                                                      > > (the CT-17) that does the level conversion to RS232, and allows up 4 rigs
                                                      > > to be plugged into it.
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Each rig has a CI-V address that allows you to "talk" to each radio
                                                      > > individually, and of course identify which radio is talking back. It is
                                                      > > a VERY simple protocol, and has been used for years.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > The problem with HRD it that it does not appear to implement the CI-V
                                                      > > protocol on a single port (if it implements it at all), so it gets
                                                      > > totally confused with the normal CI-V setup.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > If you use separate com ports, each with it's own ct17 (or home brew
                                                      > > alternative) then HRD is reasonably happy. but it's not
                                                      > > a good solution especially as the CI-V is designed to control multiple
                                                      > > radios in the first place.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > The problem is prob. caused by the initial design of HRD, which I
                                                      > > would guess was developed for CAT type interfaces. I'm not 100% sure
                                                      > > about this, never having used a CAT based Rig, but I think that CAT is a
                                                      > > single radio only control system, so you have to use a dedicated com port
                                                      > > for each. The CI-V option was obviously just bolted on in a similar manner
                                                      > > assuming one radio per com port. Which to be fair, makes sense looking at
                                                      > > it from that point of view. but it's not the "right way" to do things.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > I also found that HRD was not very happy with the 910, it did not seem to
                                                      > > understand the dual band aspects very well. Admittedly that could have
                                                      > > been simply due to me needing to set something up, but I was not really
                                                      > > interested in that part at the time, and when I found that HRD did not
                                                      > > do what I expected, I did not pursue the issue.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > At the time I was looking at a rebuild of the shack, and being able to
                                                      > > control the rigs remotely would have provided a few other options for
                                                      > > layout, and so on.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > What I wanted was to end up with a screen showing all the rigs, and to be
                                                      > > able to control them from there. It's nothing more than that. I know
                                                      > > there are two or three commercial / semi commercial alternatives,
                                                      > > available, but the requirement does not justify the expense. (I'm not
                                                      > > into contesting, or collecting DX awards and so on, just simple
                                                      > > rag-chewing so I don't need all the fancy features). There is also Dx Lab
                                                      > > which does work with the multiple radios but in a very limited manner and
                                                      > > is not really what is needed.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > I was looking at a logbook type function as well, but to be honest,
                                                      > > most of them were so over complicated that I very quickly lost interest
                                                      > > in that aspect, I'll stick to the paper log for now :-))
                                                      > >
                                                      > > During all this testing was when I came across VSPE, which has proved
                                                      > > useful on a couple of other projects.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Should the need really arise, I could also knock up a few perl (or
                                                      > > something) scripts to do what I want.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Andy
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:50:32 -0000
                                                      > > "Howard Z" <Howard_Z@...> wrote:
                                                      > >
                                                      > > > Andy,
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > Interesting, you wanted to control multiple radios on the same CIV port. How many radios are you trying to control at once? Two radios? Three radios?
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > Howard
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > --- In digsstv@yahoogroups.com, Andy Eskelson <andyyahoo@> wrote:
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > > I have found HRD to be a bit broken in terms of comms, (it cannot handle
                                                      > > > > multiple ICOM Rigs on the CI-V interface). I had a long play with HRD
                                                      > > > > trying to get it to work, and I almost suceeded. Unfort. HRD itself was
                                                      > > > > the problem in my case, so it got deleted, and I've never looked at it
                                                      > > > > since. (This was about over a year ago)
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > > However during testing I found a very useful utility that you might like
                                                      > > > > to try. It's called VSPE, Virtual Serial Port Emulator. as the name
                                                      > > > > implies it allows you to set up a virtual com port, (or several) and
                                                      > > > > direct the comms between them. As all you need to do in this case is to
                                                      > > > > direct the CAT commands to the rig you can simply set up a shared com
                                                      > > > > port.
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > > VSPE and HRD worked fine in terms of passing data from the virtual com
                                                      > > > > port to the physical port. From memory I set up a simple splitter device
                                                      > > > > called com10 which used the real com4 port as the physical device. VSPE
                                                      > > > > allows a com port to be opened multiple times by different applications,
                                                      > > > > so you just configure HRD to use com 10, and Easypal to do the same.
                                                      > > > > VSPE will do the sharing for you. I think it would be worth a try.
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > > The software is free, and has a few other
                                                      > > > > useful functions. It's a good "toolbox" utility.
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > > See:
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > > http://www.eterlogic.com/Products.VSPE.html
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > > Andy
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > > On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:22:51 -0000
                                                      > > > > "g4awj" <gordon.g4awj@> wrote:
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > > > I use Ham Radio Deluxe via CAT to control my transceiver and programs
                                                      > > > > > apart from PSK and DM780 and my radio log I also use MMSSTV that has and associated
                                                      > > > > > HRDPTT.DLL so I can operate MMSSTV PTT thru HRD, my problem is that to use Easypal I have to close down HRD and then use an interface to have PTT for easypal,cannot the powers that be produce a DLL such as HRDPT
                                                      > > > > > so that easypal operates thru HRD, many HRD and easypal users I have spoke to would welcome this.
                                                      > > > > > Gordon.G4AWJ.
                                                      > > > > >
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                                                    • jdow
                                                      On the same CI-V wire? How well does it track 4 radios on one wire that had somebody tune them locally? How well does it track the PTT state? It s easy to
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                                                        On the same CI-V wire? How well does it track 4 radios on one wire that
                                                        had somebody tune them locally? How well does it track the PTT state?
                                                        It's easy to control a lot of radios on different wires. On the same
                                                        wire it gets rugged for timing, particularly for ICOM's CAT commands.

                                                        {O_O} Joanne, W6MKU
                                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                                        From: "Simon HB9DRV" <simon.brown@...>
                                                        Sent: Wednesday, 2009/October/14 02:27


                                                        > You can control up to 255 radios with HTD and sync them. Just keep opening
                                                        > with the Connect window...
                                                        >
                                                        > Simon HB9DRV
                                                        >
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                                                        > From: "jdow" <jdow@...>
                                                        >>
                                                        >> Not necessarily - it could be done with a tab view. (Although I found
                                                        >> that the communications rate would require disabling the views that
                                                        >> were not visible.)
                                                      • Lee
                                                        I don t want to hijack this thread but I too am trying to get Easypal to work with m Ci-V interface. I have two interfaces and also ran into a problem with
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                                                          I don't want to hijack this thread but I too am trying to get Easypal to work with m Ci-V interface.

                                                          I have two interfaces and also ran into a problem with dual interfaces but my question is in regard to PTT.

                                                          Even with one interface connected how can I get Easypal to send CI-V PTT command ?

                                                          The hex string that is included with Easypal doesn't seem to have any effect. Is there additional codes that are necessary to get this to work ?

                                                          Lee
                                                        • Andy Eskelson
                                                          I assume that you use your CI-V interface OK with other control programs? If so check the obvious first. Check that you have selected the CIV option rather
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                                                            I assume that you use your CI-V interface OK with other control programs?

                                                            If so check the obvious first.

                                                            Check that you have selected the CIV option rather than the com port RTS
                                                            type switching.

                                                            Check com port number, baud rate and so on.

                                                            Check that you have not changed the CI-V address on the radio.

                                                            That's about all really.

                                                            If still no joy, try sending the command string from another
                                                            application. I suppose that there is a possibility that it might be
                                                            wrong.

                                                            There is a utility called VSPE Virtual Serial port Emulator
                                                            It has a monitor function that allows you to see what data is being sent
                                                            down the com port. So it's useful for debugging.

                                                            http://www.eterlogic.com/Products.VSPE.html


                                                            Andy




                                                            On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:46:48 -0000
                                                            "Lee" <lee@...> wrote:

                                                            > I don't want to hijack this thread but I too am trying to get Easypal to work with m Ci-V interface.
                                                            >
                                                            > I have two interfaces and also ran into a problem with dual interfaces but my question is in regard to PTT.
                                                            >
                                                            > Even with one interface connected how can I get Easypal to send CI-V PTT command ?
                                                            >
                                                            > The hex string that is included with Easypal doesn't seem to have any effect. Is there additional codes that are necessary to get this to work ?
                                                            >
                                                            > Lee
                                                            >
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