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  • LBIDD@webtv.net
    The Path of Purification (Visuddhimagga), Ch. XVII 224. Here it may be asked: One kind of contact does not derive from all the bases, nor all the kinds of
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      "The Path of Purification" (Visuddhimagga), Ch. XVII

      224. Here it may be asked: 'One kind of contact does not derive from all
      the bases, nor all the kinds of contact from one base. And yet "With the
      sixfold base as condition, contact" is said in the singular. Why is
      that?'.

      225. Here is the answer: It is true that neither is one derived from all
      nor all from one. However, one is derived from many. For eye-contact is
      derived from eye base, from visible-data base, from mind base reckoned
      as eye-consciousness, and from the mental-datum base consisting of the
      remaining associated states. And each case should be construed as
      appropriate in this way. Therefore:

      Though stated in the singular,

      He shows therewith in all such cases

      That this contact, though only one,

      Is yet derived from several bases.

      'Though stated in the singular': the meaning is, by this statement in
      the singular that 'With the sixfold base as condition, contact', it is
      pointed out by the Blessed One (Taadin) that contact, which is of one
      kind, comes into being from many bases.
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      224. etthaaha -- na sabbaayatanehi eko phasso sambhoti, naapi ekamhaa
      aayatanaa sabbe phassaa, aya~nca sa.laayatanapaccayaa phassoti ekova
      vutto, so kasmaati.
            
      225. tatrida.m vissajjana.m -- saccameta.m, sabbehi eko, ekamhaa vaa
      sabbe na sambhonti, sambhoti pana anekehi eko. yathaa cakkhusamphasso
      cakkhaayatanaa ruupaayatanaa cakkhuvi~n~naa.nasa"nkhaataa manaayatanaa
        avasesasampayuttadhammaayatanaa caati eva.m sabbattha
      yathaanuruupa.m   yojetabba.m. tasmaa eva hi,
              
      ekopanekaayatanappabhavo iti diipito.
              
      phassoya.m ekavacananiddeseniidha taadinaa..
              
      ekavacananiddesenaati sa.laayatanapaccayaa phassoti iminaa
      ekavacananiddesena anekehi aayatanehi eko phasso hotiiti taadinaa
      diipitoti attho.
    • L G SAGE
      Path of Purity, p.679 Here the objector might say: A single contact is not produced from all the senses, nor are all contacts produced from a single sense.
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        Path of Purity, p.679

        Here the objector might say: "A single contact is not produced from all the senses, nor are all contacts produced from a single sense. But a single one is stated in 'Conditioned by the sixfold sense contact comes to pass.'

        Why is that so stated?" This is the reply. It is true that a single one is not produced from all nor are all produced from a single one. But one is produced from many: As eye-contact is produced from eye-sense, matter-sense, mind-sense termed eye-consciousness and the rest of the associated states. Therefore:
        "Such-as-He" {Taadin} shows by number singular
        That one contact from several senses {read p' anekaa*} springs.
        "By number singular" means by the singular number in "Conditioned by sixfold sense, contact comes to pass," such-as-He has shown that one contact comes to pass from several senses.


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