Re: [dsg] Re: Some Idle Thoughts on Nothing
- Hi Scott,
Thanks yet again for your efforts.
On 02/02/07, Scott Duncan <scduncan@...> wrote:
> Hi Herman,
> H: "Given the momentary nature of nama, and that nama is not the
> object it experiences, on what basis can anything be said about the
> im/permanence or otherwise of the object of nama?"
> "Bhikkhus, attend carefully to form. Recognize the impermanence of
> form as it really is. When a bhikkhu attends carefully to form and
> recognizes the impermanence of form as it really is, he experiences
> revulsion for form...attend carefully to feeling...to perception...to
> conditional formations...to consciousness..."
> I think on the above noted basis. I realise you are making a
> technical point, I think, regarding the impermanence of 'naama' based
> on the notion that citta cannot be 'aware of itself'. The Buddha
> teaches above that it is possible to recognise the impermanence of all
> conditioned phenomena.
> Do you wish to discuss the ways in which this occurs?
I certainly do. If I might, could we possibly steer the discussion
towards the Suttanta perspective? Which I believe to be the gradual
impermanence of form, not any momentary impermanence.
- Hi Howard
In a message dated 2/21/2007 2:14:52 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
The Buddha describes the “death result” of an enlightened (arahat) monk,
> Ven.Dabba Mallaputta…-------------------------------------------
> The body disintegrated, perception ceased,
> All feelings became cool,
> Mental activities were calmed,
> And consciousness came to an end.
Yes. Vedana cooled, sankhara calmed, sa~n~na in the sense of
recognition defiled by reification ceased.
TG: I don't know what to say to you when you ignore "consciousness came to
an end." To me you're fudging the quote but you cant fudge the last line.
Well, maybe you can. ;-) I guess you can just insert more provisos that
don't exist in the quote. BTW, that's the same sort of thing we often complain
about when others do it.
Anyway, my reading is that all experience came to an end. If you want to
think that "cool" or "calmed" mean something else in this context, then I'll
let it be at that.
> (The Buddha . . . The Udana &The Itivuttaka, pg. 116, 8.9)====================
<BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free
email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]