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Re: [DhammaStudyGroup]Compassion

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  • Amara
    ... Dear Sarah, Poor Moderator, you must be really tired and need a little rest before facing the work-weekend! I didn t say the above (it was in a much more
    Message 1 of 60 , Feb 28, 2001
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      > Asd Amara put: compassion is the translation of
      > karuna. This is a good example of why we need the Pali
      > as well as the English...! Sorry for this. (the points
      > made will be the same however)


      Dear Sarah,

      Poor Moderator, you must be really tired and need a little rest before
      facing the work-weekend! I didn't say the above (it was in a much
      more recent post,). I said some time ago that karuna was to help
      those in need of assistence, not just have compassion, either. (For
      more details, please check post no.3457)

      Have asked K. Supee to check the passages about the decline of
      Buddhism for you, by the way, will report,

      Loved your recent posts, have a nice rest, anumodana,

      Amara


      > > 1) Metta(adosa) is always with sobhana citta,
      > > correct?
      >
      > correct
      >
      > > 2) 10 davi-panca-vinnana-citta which are ahetuka
      > > vipaka citta, both kusula
      > > and akusula cannot have metta or appamanna-cetasika
      > > co-arising with them,
      > > correct?
      >
      > correct
      >
      > > 3) When a person is in deep sleep, if he/she born
      > > with adosa hetu patisanthi
      > > citta, his/her bhavanga citta always coarises with
      > > metta, correct?
      >
      > not correct
      >
      > > 4) The moment of lobhamula citta, even though it
      > > arises with
      > > somanassa-vedana, like when I have fun playing
      > > tennis or talking nonsense
      > > joke with my friends, there is no metta there,
      > > correct?
      >
      > correct
      > >
      > > I think my panna is not strong enough to appreciate
      > > that lobhamula citta when
      > > arises with somanassa-vedana, like when I have fun
      > > is akusula. Hey, it's a
      > > good feeling. Well, it comes and goes. It reminds me
      > > that human plane is a
      > > kama-bhumi.
      >
      > Yes both lobha(attachment) and many kinds of kusala
      > (whoesome states) arise with somanassa (pleasant
      > feeling). That's why we can't tell from the feeling
      > whether it is kusala or akusala. Not just joking with
      > friends or playing tennis, what about whenopening your
      > eyes, lifting a glass of water, looking at a blank
      > wall (to pinch a Rob favourite)?...Lobha
      > immeditely....
      >
      > We may think there is a lot of metta and karuna when
      > we're with people too....but the attachment (near
      > enemy of metta) and aversion (near enemy of karuna)
      > 'cheat' us all the time...>
      >
      > Kom, i'm in a big rush, pls help correct any careless
      > mistakes (or ignorant ones I make) and any other
      > details if you like!
      >
      > happy posting all,
      > Sarah
      >
      > p.s. Num, I saw a reall interesting BBC series called
      > 'Brain..' (maybe Brain Story)told by a neurologist or
      > some other specialist..you'd find it v.interesting.
      > There was one man who'd had an accident and his sanna
      > (memory of details) seemed to have stopped
      > functioning. He'd see a visible object, let's say what
      > we take for a landscape, but would have no idea what
      > any of it meant and one could see how hard it was to
      > get through the day as an intelligent being without a
      > construct of concepts working properly..lots more.
      >
      > We can see all the different accumulations on this
      > list...like Kom you really have an interest in the
      > details and the kind of brain that can absorb them.
      > For me it's S L O W L Y (thanks Bruce)...no rule at
      > all.
      > Btw, if there's any chance of you joining the trip to
      > India w/ KSujin next Oct, you'd love it, esp. as you
      > speak Thai. Amara, Jon and Kom from the list are
      > going. You'd have to book superfast tho'. (write me
      > off list if you want help)
      >
      >
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    • upasaka@aol.com
      Hi, Rob - In a message dated 10/24/03 10:50:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ... ========================= Yes, I understand pity as a kind of compassion defiled
      Message 60 of 60 , Oct 24, 2003
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        Hi, Rob -

        In a message dated 10/24/03 10:50:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
        rob.moult@... writes:

        > Karuna
        > ======
        > The far enemy of karuna is cruelty. The near enemy of karuna is
        > aversion (based on worldly events). When we see someone else who is
        > in miserable circumstances, there tend to be moments of compassion
        > when we wish to help to allay his suffering and there can also be
        > moments of aversion about his suffering. Howard, if you would
        > define "pity" as "aversion to another's suffering", then we are
        > saying the same thing.
        >
        =========================
        Yes, I understand pity as a kind of compassion defiled by both
        aversion and a sense of separation from the object of that pity (and even, at times,
        carrying an element of contempt) rather than loving identification.

        With metta,
        Howard

        /Thus is how ye shall see all this fleeting world: A star at dawn, a bubble
        in a stream, a flash of lightning in a summer cloud, a flickering lamp, a
        phantom, and a dream./ (From the Diamond Sutra)




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