RE: United States becoming less homophobic
nice find in the vinaya there James.
it can help us to see that Buddhists are not suposed to be vegetarian tree kissing wussies .
even laypeople who are sotapanna can jojn the army, and defend themselves to some degree, although they never kill. Although usually any self defense is conditioned by fear, or anger or clinging:in other wirds the same factirs that cause action almost every in daily life
---In email@example.com, <buddhatrue@...> wrote:
This sutta is very close to what we are discussing, but not quite. This is a conversation about the "Warrior Class" in India that fought for glory and fame, not for self defense. The Buddha specifically says about them:
When a warrior strives & exerts himself in battle, his mind is already seized, debased, & misdirected by the thought: 'May these beings be struck down or slaughtered or annihilated or destroyed. May they not exist.'
You see, the mental intention is the most important thing. These warriors don't want to defend themselves, they want to 'destroy the enemy' for fame and glory. Jagkrit, the situation of self defense and violence is never as black and white as you want to paint it.
The Buddha did allow violent self-defense. From the Vinaya:
Giving a blow to another bhikkhu when impelled by anger — except in self-defense — is a pācittiya offense. (Pc 74)
Making a threatening gesture against another bhikkhu when impelled by anger — except in self-defense — is a pācittiya offense. (Pc 75)
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