[dsg] Re: Question about Mahayana.
- Hi Rob E and Howard
--- In email@example.com, "Robert E" <epsteinrob@...> wrote:
> Hi Sukin.
> > > HCW:
> > > As I view the matter, if anything *truly exists* at any moment and
> > > then does not at all exist, that is exactly annihilation! What else is
> > > annihilation?
> > > --------------------------------
> > >
> > KH: Conditioned existence.
> > One condition for the arising of the present moment citta is the falling
> > away of the previous citta, and the next citta is conditioned by the
> > falling away of this one.
> RE: Then they are conditioned phenomena, which is fine, but if they are 'real and substantial' entities at the moment they exist, then their demise is indeed annihilation.
J: Regarding Howard's "if anything *truly exists* at any moment and then does not at all exist, that is exactly annihilation!" and Rob E's "if [dhammas] are 'real and substantial' entities at the moment they exist, then their demise is indeed annihilation", I wonder what point you are trying to make by using "annihilation" to describe the falling away of dhammas.
In the texts it is said, in connection with the momentary 'existence' of dhammas, that "from nothing, then something, then nothing again" or words to similar effect. Now you may call it creation and annihilation if you like, but I don't believe this has anything to do with the (wrong view of) annihilationism spoken of by the Buddha (which is concerned with the belief as to what happens when a lifespan comes to an end).
- Hi Sarah.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "sarah" <sarahprocterabbott@...> wrote:
> S: Better to just talk about realities, paramattha dhammas that can be understood now. I think this is more productive than discussions about formal meditation.
> This morning at breakfast, another swimmer started asking me about retreats and meditation because of stress issues. I just started talking about 'now', about seeing now, hearing now, 'meditation' now, even in the noisy cafe. Otherwise, there's always a thinking about another time, another place, never any understanding or awareness now. She appreciated it!
I continue to think this is a very "zen" approach to Dhamma - I think if you called it "zen" you'd probably convert a bunch of Mahayanists, as it is very appealing, and I agree really is the heart of becoming aware, which can only happen at this moment now.
A favorite quote of mine is sort of analogous in its simplicity, from the avant-garde saxaphonist/bass clarinetist Eric Dolphy, now deceased: "Music, after it's over, it's gone in the air - you can never capture it again."
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