Re: (Sukin) - and everyone else...
- Hi Tony (and pt)
Just to supplement pt's reply.
--- In email@example.com, "Tony H" <tony.humphreys@...> wrote:
> Hi Pt,
> TH: I think this is what I have been saying. Either way, amidst everything you have described above......there is still no rose other than the appearance to the mind. Its unfindable. But you're right, I may well have missed something here or its been lost in translation.
J: Yes, I think you may have missed something being said here; most, if not all, of us would agree that, as you put it, there is no rose other than the appearance to the mind (in terms of the Pali Canon, this would be expressed as: there is an idea (or concept) of 'rose' but no dhamma as such).
So we are all in agreement on the 'unfindability' of 'rose':-)). It says nothing about dhammas.
TH: There is no duality in terms of realities and non-realities (if we share the same undertanding of 'realities' that is?). There is only appearance to mind.
J: As regards what is meant by 'dhammas', in an earlier message to you I suggested that there is no component part to the hardness currently being experienced through the body door wherever there is contact with a chair or the ground. The characteristic of hardness is there, and there need not be the concept of 'chair' or 'ground' or 'person/me' in order for that characteristic to be known.
So hardness is an example of a dhamma.
- Hi Sarah.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "sarah" <sarahprocterabbott@...> wrote:
> S: Better to just talk about realities, paramattha dhammas that can be understood now. I think this is more productive than discussions about formal meditation.
> This morning at breakfast, another swimmer started asking me about retreats and meditation because of stress issues. I just started talking about 'now', about seeing now, hearing now, 'meditation' now, even in the noisy cafe. Otherwise, there's always a thinking about another time, another place, never any understanding or awareness now. She appreciated it!
I continue to think this is a very "zen" approach to Dhamma - I think if you called it "zen" you'd probably convert a bunch of Mahayanists, as it is very appealing, and I agree really is the heart of becoming aware, which can only happen at this moment now.
A favorite quote of mine is sort of analogous in its simplicity, from the avant-garde saxaphonist/bass clarinetist Eric Dolphy, now deceased: "Music, after it's over, it's gone in the air - you can never capture it again."
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