I am glad you are so active and interested now, asking questions.
Op 2-mei-2011, om 8:49 heeft Lukas het volgende geschreven:
> What are the differences in characteristic between tanha and upadana?
N: I quote from my Visuddhimagga studies, Ch XVII, 249:
< [How Craving is a Condition for Clinging]
Intro: In this section it is explained in which ways craving
conditions clinging. Clinging, upaadaana, is firm grasping, it is
craving, ta.nhaa, that has become strong.
As we have seen, there is craving for sense-desires (kaama ta.nhaa),
craving for becoming (bhava ta.nhaa) and craving for non-becoming
The four kinds of clinging are: sense-desire clinging, [false-] view
clinging, rite-and-ritual clinging and self-doctrine clinging. The
latter three kinds are forms of clinging with wrong view.
The types of conditions that are operating in the case of craving
that conditions clinging are mentioned in this section.
Text Vis. 248: As regards the four kinds of clinging taught in this
for sense desires is a condition in one way, as decisive-support, for
the first kind, namely, sense-desire clinging, because it arises in
relation to the objective field in which craving delights.
N: Craving delights in all the objects that can be experienced
through the six doorways. When there is craving again and again it
becomes firm grasping, it conditions clinging by way of decisive
Text Vis. : But it is a condition in seven ways, as conascence,
mutuality, support, association, presence, non-disappearance, and
root-cause, or in eight ways, as [those and] decisive-support as
well, for the remaining three kinds.
N: The remaining three kinds of clinging pertain to wrong view,
di.t.thi. Craving, which is lobha cetasika, conditions wrong view,
di.t.thi, in this context three kinds of clinging, upaadaana. Lobha
and di.t.thi, when they arise together with the lobha-muulacitta,
condition one another by way of conascence-condition. The seven
conditions mentioned in the text pertain to conascent conditions.
Lobha is an akusala root, hetu, and thus it conditions wrong view
also by way of root-condition.
Text Vis. : And when it is a condition as decisive-support, then it
is never conascent.
This is the detailed explanation of the clause 'With craving as
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