88465Re: Retreats (was, response to hate mail etc)
- Jul 28 3:38 AMHi Alex
> Where did the Buddha say: "Read Abhidhamma pitaka and live the laycaves,
> life that you always wanted? No need to strive in the forest,
> empty houses and so on. Relax, doing is like for them, ignoramuses.heavy
> Here is TV remote, don't develop attabhava by engaging in like
> work"I haven't said any of that, so I'm not going to bite here ;-))
> Why did He often praise going forth as a monk, and not just that.I think if one looks closely at the texts, it was not going forth and
> Being a reclusive monk aloof from other monks?
living the life of a reclusive monk *per se* that was praised by the
Buddha, but doing so perfectly and purely. Thus, it was praised only
for those (very few now, but more in those days) who are sufficiently
accomplished to achieve that.
> > But "many cases" do not make it a requirement laid down by theAgain, not about me (or anyone in particular), but about the
> Buddha or even a general rule.
> If you can achieve nanas and Jhanas at home, GOOD FOR YOU! I can't
> argue with that.
teachings as we have them today.
It's a question of what the Buddha actually said (expressly or
impliedly) in the suttas. It seems to me that you are attributing a
particular aspect of doctrine to the Buddha on the basis of a number
of suttas that describe a similar set of circumstances (but which do
not contain any express or implied statement of the matter of
> Sariputta needed 9 meditation levels + Buddha's occasional personalSariputta and MahaMoggallana would not be the great disciples they
> guidance to become an Arahant. That is considering the fact that he
> became a sotopanna when he heard a line of Dhamma.
> MN111, MN74
> MahaMoggallana needed 9 meditation levels + other things + almost
> constant help from the Buddha himself.
were unless their attainment of enlightenment was based on high
levels of jhana.
> If you can beat them while cooking at home, I can't argue with that.An intriguing thought, but nothing to do with anything I've said in
our discussion so far ;-)).
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