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69178Re: Antw.: [dsg] Q. Rupas, Ch 1, no 2

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  • sarah abbott
    Mar 4, 2007
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      Hi TG,

      --- TGrand458@... wrote:
      > I can't think of one sutta that backs up the "arising and immediately
      > ceasing" outlook.
      .....
      S: Do any of the following help?

      1. AN i.10 :
      “I consider, bhikkhus, that there is no phenomenon that comes and goes so
      quickly as mind. It is not easy to find a simile to show how quickly mind
      comes and goes.”
      ....
      2. SN ii.95
      “Just as a monkey faring through the dense forest catches one bough, and,
      letting it go, catches another, and then another, even so bhikkhus, with
      what is called thought, or mind , or consciousness, by day as by night,
      one arises when another perishes.”

      “Therein, bhikkhu, the instructed noble disciple attends closely and
      carefully to dependent origination itself thus: ‘When this exists, that
      comes to be; with the arising of this, that arises. When this does not
      exist, that does not come to be; with the cessation of this, that ceases.
      That is, with ignorance as condition, volitional formations [come to be];
      with volitional formations as condition, consciousness....Such is the
      origin of this whole mass of suffering......”
      ......
      3.Visuddhimagga, XX94 under ‘Knowledge or Rise and Fall’, quoting
      Patisambhidamagga i.54:

      “..Here in the text: ‘How is it that understanding of contemplating
      present states’ change is knowledge of contemplation of rise and fall?
      Present materiality is born [materiality]; the characteristic of its
      generation is rise, the characteristic of its change is fall, the
      contemplation is knowledge. Present feeling ... perception ....
      formations......consciousness....eye....(etc)....Present becoming is born
      [becoming]; the characteristic of its generation is rise, the
      characteristic of its change is fall, the contemplation is
      knowledge.(Ps.i54)”
      ....
      4. Visuddhimagga, V11139, quoting Maha Niddesa 1.42

      ' "Life, person, pleasure, pain - just these alone
      join in one conscious moment that flicks by.
      Ceased aggregates of those dead or alive
      Are all alike, gone never to return...'"Vism, V111 39
      .....
      5. Phena Sutta, SN 22:95
      "Form is like a lump of foam;
      Feeling like a water bubble;
      Perception is like a mirage;
      Volitions like a plantain trunk.
      And consciousness like an illusion..."
      ....
      [note 190: "Spk: a bubble (bubbu.la) is feeble and cannot be
      grasped, for it breaks up as soon as it is seized; so too feeling is
      feeble and cannot be grasped as permanent and stable. As a bubble
      arises and ceases in a drop of water and does not last long, so too
      with feeling: 100,000 `ko.tis' of feelings arise and cease in the
      time of a fingersnap (one ko.ti = 10 million).]
      ....
      5. SN 20.6
      Dhanuggaha Sutta
      The Archer
      Translated from the Pali by
      Thanissaro Bhikkhu

      Staying at Savatthi. "Monks, suppose there were four strong archers —
      well-trained, practiced, & drilled — standing in the four directions, and
      a man were to come along saying, 'I will catch & bring down the arrows let
      fly by these four strong archers — well-trained, practiced, & drilled —
      before they have fallen to the ground.' What do you think? Would that be
      enough to call him a swift man, endowed with the foremost speed?"

      "Even if he were to catch & bring down the arrows let fly by one archer —
      well-trained, practiced, & drilled — before they fell to the ground, lord,
      that would be enough to call him a swift man, endowed with the foremost
      speed, to say nothing of four such archers."

      "Faster than the speed of that man, monks, is the speed of the sun & moon.
      Faster than the speed of that man, faster than the speed of the sun &
      moon, is the speed of the devas who rush ahead of the sun & moon. Faster
      than the speed of that man, faster than the speed of the sun & moon,
      faster than the speed of the devas who rush ahead of the sun & moon, the
      force of one's life span comes to an end. Thus you should train
      yourselves: 'We will live heedfully.' That's how you should train
      yourselves."
      *****

      Metta,

      Sarah
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