69178Re: Antw.: [dsg] Q. Rupas, Ch 1, no 2
- Mar 4, 2007Hi TG,
--- TGrand458@... wrote:
> I can't think of one sutta that backs up the "arising and immediately.....
> ceasing" outlook.
S: Do any of the following help?
1. AN i.10 :
I consider, bhikkhus, that there is no phenomenon that comes and goes so
quickly as mind. It is not easy to find a simile to show how quickly mind
comes and goes.
2. SN ii.95
Just as a monkey faring through the dense forest catches one bough, and,
letting it go, catches another, and then another, even so bhikkhus, with
what is called thought, or mind , or consciousness, by day as by night,
one arises when another perishes.
Therein, bhikkhu, the instructed noble disciple attends closely and
carefully to dependent origination itself thus: When this exists, that
comes to be; with the arising of this, that arises. When this does not
exist, that does not come to be; with the cessation of this, that ceases.
That is, with ignorance as condition, volitional formations [come to be];
with volitional formations as condition, consciousness....Such is the
origin of this whole mass of suffering......
3.Visuddhimagga, XX94 under Knowledge or Rise and Fall, quoting
..Here in the text: How is it that understanding of contemplating
present states change is knowledge of contemplation of rise and fall?
Present materiality is born [materiality]; the characteristic of its
generation is rise, the characteristic of its change is fall, the
contemplation is knowledge. Present feeling ... perception ....
formations......consciousness....eye....(etc)....Present becoming is born
[becoming]; the characteristic of its generation is rise, the
characteristic of its change is fall, the contemplation is
4. Visuddhimagga, V11139, quoting Maha Niddesa 1.42
' "Life, person, pleasure, pain - just these alone
join in one conscious moment that flicks by.
Ceased aggregates of those dead or alive
Are all alike, gone never to return...'"Vism, V111 39
5. Phena Sutta, SN 22:95
"Form is like a lump of foam;
Feeling like a water bubble;
Perception is like a mirage;
Volitions like a plantain trunk.
And consciousness like an illusion..."
[note 190: "Spk: a bubble (bubbu.la) is feeble and cannot be
grasped, for it breaks up as soon as it is seized; so too feeling is
feeble and cannot be grasped as permanent and stable. As a bubble
arises and ceases in a drop of water and does not last long, so too
with feeling: 100,000 `ko.tis' of feelings arise and cease in the
time of a fingersnap (one ko.ti = 10 million).]
5. SN 20.6
Translated from the Pali by
Staying at Savatthi. "Monks, suppose there were four strong archers
well-trained, practiced, & drilled standing in the four directions, and
a man were to come along saying, 'I will catch & bring down the arrows let
fly by these four strong archers well-trained, practiced, & drilled
before they have fallen to the ground.' What do you think? Would that be
enough to call him a swift man, endowed with the foremost speed?"
"Even if he were to catch & bring down the arrows let fly by one archer
well-trained, practiced, & drilled before they fell to the ground, lord,
that would be enough to call him a swift man, endowed with the foremost
speed, to say nothing of four such archers."
"Faster than the speed of that man, monks, is the speed of the sun & moon.
Faster than the speed of that man, faster than the speed of the sun &
moon, is the speed of the devas who rush ahead of the sun & moon. Faster
than the speed of that man, faster than the speed of the sun & moon,
faster than the speed of the devas who rush ahead of the sun & moon, the
force of one's life span comes to an end. Thus you should train
yourselves: 'We will live heedfully.' That's how you should train
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