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5433Re: Alzheimers

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  • hhofman@dingoblue.net.au
    Jun 3, 2001
      Dear Robert, Antony, Num et al,

      I certainly wasn't making light of Alzheimers disease, nor do I think
      that was suggested by anyone. I too have some second hand experience
      with this condition. There is something very sobering about your old
      grandmother yelling out to her mother that her nappies need changing.

      I used Alzheimers where I should have specified someone without
      memory. I can look at a tree, and realise that the sun is necessary
      for this tree, without me seeing the sun. Memory, allowing the
      conceiving of the interrelatedness of things without seeing those
      things, but accepting they are there, from memory.

      We emphasise being aware of the present moment, and I certainly don't
      quarrel with that. Does awareness of this single moment include
      Lakkhana, Rasa, Paccupatthana and Padatthana? Can all of these be
      grasped in a single moment?

      (I have this sneaking suspicion that there is no such thing as a
      discreet single moment, but rather that all realities involve every
      reality that has ever been. Just hypothesising, of course :-))

      With Metta


      --- In dhammastudygroup@y..., Robert Kirkpatrick
      <robertkirkpatrick@r...> wrote:
      > Dear Herman,
      > I like these questions as I've wondered the same thing myself.
      > As Antony pointed out Alzheimers is no fun.
      > Still I would give some other thoughts.
      > --- hhofman@d... wrote:
      > > Hi everyone,
      > >
      > > Do people with alzheimers have an advantage over the rest of
      > > us,
      > > being less distracted by memories?
      > ______________
      > it is not the memories really, that distract but the attachment
      > or aversion to them.`Memories are just thinking taking a
      > concept; and thus insight into: thinking or sanna, or the
      > underlying lobha or dosa or avijja that occurs at these moments
      > can occur.
      > >
      > > Knowing the moment, does it require the past?
      > ___________________
      > I would say perhaps not. If there have been accumulations of
      > genuine satipatthana at a level beyond the conceptual
      > understanding of anatta; and if satipatthana has become habitual
      > then why should it not continue even if memory has deteriorated.
      > One could wonder though if someone who had this degree of
      > insight would suffer the profound loss of memory that Antony
      > detailed- this I don't know.
      > >
      > > Can there be panna without sanna?
      > ___________
      > Sanna arise with every citta thus even if there is the complete
      > loss of conventional memory sanna is arising.
      > I know what you mean though. Can panna arise if there is no
      > memory of the Dhamma? My answer is above
      > >
      > > I'm asking because I do not know.
      > ______
      > So I don't know either. Just my speculation above.
      > robert
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