22730Re: Anatta Precepts
- Jun 7, 2003--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "christine_forsyth"
> Dear Robert, and all,I'm much more comfortable now that I see
> there are choices, though these are conditioned. For example, Ispend
> presently would not kill myself or another, or sell my home and
> the rest of my life travelling, or become a Catholic nun. Thoughthis
> these things are possible to do, I could not do any of them at
> time, because of conditions i.e.__________
Yes, that's right. We might imagine that if there is no self and no
control that then anything can happen. Maybe we'll grab a gun and go
on a rampage. But no, life is just like before but with gradually
less selfview thinking that there is control. And if there is more
understanding than there should be gradually less conditions for bad
behaviour because akusala depends largely on self view; "how dare he
do that: to ME!" "I should go and...". "Why can't THEY undersatand
Not so much getting caught up because sati that sees the
conditionality of the moment and breaks through the delusions. So we
can be patient with others kilesa and our own.
You say: "If it is
> wisdom that is developing ...." This strikes a chord ... Yousee,
> I'm sure I understood the conditionality of choice once before,but
> then came to hold a different opinion. What exactly is panna? Ilost?
> mean, how does one recognise whether one has it, and can it be
> I thought accumulations just accumulated and influenced action.Can
> there be counterfeit panna?___________
What is that factor that starts to recognize what is Dhamma and what
is not? It is panna, it comes in different levels.
Counterfeit panna says there is no-self but believes dhammas are
under their mastery.
I think accumulations reveal themselves slowly once there is less
idea of a self who has to do this, don't do that.
> This marionette simile we've talked about before - unforgetable,
> quite chilling. I begin to feel that anatta means each of us iscomatose
> something very like a set of mechanical processes (nama-rupa) that
> come into existence because something is wrong (kama -> vipaka,
> defilements). e.g. the movement sensor system in my house is
> until a certain stimulus makes it react fairly predictably and setin
> train fairly predictable actions. If there was no stimulus, itto
> wouldn't 'come to life' (so to speak) i.e. -> note unauthorised
> movement -> set off siren and blue flashing lights on outside of
> house -> cause alarm at security centre -> cause telephone message
> be sent to nominated people -> initiate sending of armed officerto
> my address.one,
> What I am trying to say is that Anatta is arid and lonely. No-
> nothing personal in it. [No sign of the old "God is Love" (?nibanna
> is love) of the Christians that is so attractive and comforting.]Yes, the idea "nibbana", "enlightenment" sounds nice but how many
> But no 'curiosity' makes it seem even worse - no interest or
> awareness - how does nibanna, in the light of anatta, differ from
> Has anyone ever thought that it might be a whole lot less scary to
> just keep doing good actions with the aim of constant pleasant re-
are ready to give up everything. It's exciting to hear of 'stages of
insight' but those same stages show absolutely there is only nama
and rupa, and no self, no children, no friends.
If only the self could be at its own funeral to enjoy the eulogy! It
doesn't work that way. Mike said in a post once: ".
So, 'I' dont mind giving up the idea of self, just so
long as 'I'm' allowed to choose to do so (and receive
the credit)...! ""
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