- Jun 1, 2003Hi Christine,
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "christine_forsyth"
> RobM: Thank you for your advice - on reflection, I see that oneothers
> should never be complacent about sila - unusual circumstances that
> undermind restraint can pop up at any time. I'm not sure I agree
> about lying being the most difficult precept to keep - this caused
> some discussion this afternoon. Some thought that an alcoholic may
> find the precept against intoxicating drugs to be the hardest,
> thought it depended upon accumulations in general. Generally,people
> were concerned about other aspects of the Precept concerningSpeech.
> This group ('the first Sunday of the month mob') wondered where itfelt
> actually says that frivolous speech breaks the precept. And there
> were varying ideas on what frivolous speech actually is... They
> that more good comes out of what others (me :-)) might see astheir
> frivolous speech, i.e. friendly supportive teasing, ironicI agree that which precept is most difficult to keep depends on
> understated humour, which creates lasting bonds. (Todays group
> included some of the Aussie blokes who also go to Cooran.)
one's accumulations. I have been a tea-totaler for twenty years and
I am a faithful husband, so for me it is lying that is the toughest
"Frivolous speech" is akusala kamma patha, one of the ten
unwholesome deeds that can lead to rebirth in a woeful states
but "Frivolous speech" is not one of the five precepts, nor is it
one of the eight precepts which are only kept on holy days.
Eliminating "frivolous speech" is part of the path factor of "Right
Speech". "Frivolous speech" is not uprooted until one becomes an
The definition of "frivolous speech" that arises in the Suttas
is, "tiracchana-katha: 'low talk', lit. 'beastly talk', is the name
in the sutta-texts for the following: "Talk about kings and robbers,
ministers and armies, danger and war, eating and drinking, clothes
and dwellings, garlands and scents, relations, chariots, villages
and markets, towns and districts, women and heroes, street talks,
talks by the well, talk about those departed in days gone by, tittle-
tattle, talks about world and sea, about gain and loss."
Obviously, laypeople cannot avoid "frivolous speech".
Hope that this helps.
Rob M :-)
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