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  • truth_aerator
    May 2 9:53 AM
      Dear Lukas, all,


      This is one of the reasons that you need Jhana. Strong and regular Jhana suppresses hindrances for a long time. When one has access to bliss far greater than sensual, the mind NATURALLY lets go of the coarser pleasure for the greater.


      "And when a monk has not abandoned these five obstacles, hindrances that overwhelm awareness and weaken discernment, when he is without strength and weak in discernment: for him to understand what is for his own benefit, to understand what is for the benefit of others, to understand what is for the benefit of both, to realize a superior human state, a truly noble distinction in knowledge & vision: that is impossible."
      http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an05/an05.051.than.html


      Until you abandon the hindrances, all study is just concepts and important only as a preliminary step. If "momentary, billionth of a second" suppression is enough for some, it is not enough for me. I think that this applies for many people.


      Jhana suppresses hindrances well, and repeating Jhana again and again, on higher and higher level makes hindrances weaker and weaker.


      ""Now, when a monk has abandoned these five obstacles, hindrances that overwhelm awareness and weaken discernment, when he is strong in discernment: for him to understand what is for his own benefit, to understand what is for the benefit of others, to understand what is for the benefit of both, to realize a superior human state, a truly noble distinction in knowledge & vision: that is possible."
      http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an05/an05.051.than.html



      In DN29 PTS DN 3.131 the real 4 Jhanas are said to lead to:
      "viragaya nirodhaya upasamaya abhinnaya sambodhaya nibbanaya samvattanti"
      "...to dispassion, to cessation, to calm, to direct knowledge, to awakening, to Nibbana."



      25. It may happen, Cunda, that Wanderers teaching other doctrines than ours may declare : For those who live addicted and devoted to these four modes of pleasure[alex: 4 jhanas], brother, how much fruit, how many advantages are to be expected ? Them ye should answer thus : Four kinds of fruit, brother, four advantages are to be expected. What are the four ? Firstly, the case of a brother who by the complete destruction of the three fetters becomes a Stream-winner, saved from disaster hereafter, certain to attain Enlightenment. Secondly, the case of a brother who by the complete destruction of three fetters has so diminished passion and hate and illusion that he has become a Once- Returner, and returning but once to this world will make an end of ill. Thirdly, the case of a brother who, by the complete destruction of the five last fetters, will be reborn in another world, thence never to return, there to pass away. Fourthly, the case of the brother who, by the destruction of the mental Intoxicants, has come to know and realize for himself, even in this life, emancipation of intellect and emancipation of insight, and therein abides. These, brother, are the four kinds of fruit, the four advantages to be expected by those who are addicted and devoted to those four modes of pleasure.
      http://tipitaka.wikia.com/wiki/Pasadika_Sutta



      With metta,


      Alex
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