Re: [decentralization] The decline of P2P and Decentralisation
> As always there are shades of grey here. Drupal and phpBB have doneSure, they are powerful and democratizing, but Drupal and phpBB don't
> wonders for democratising the ability to run a website based
> forum for niche communities. It may not be P2P but it looks
> decentralised to me compared with LJ, YT and MS. "Anyone can run a
> server" is a powerful meme even if the server is running on cheap
> hosting rather than a machine in your front room.
use decentralized topologies. In fact, they're pretty good
illustrations of what happened to the predicted ubiquity of the P2P
pattern, which is that servers got so much cheaper and better that
software that leveraged that occupied a lot of the ecological niches
we predicted for P2P.
> There is a solution to the "P2P is hard" problem. And that's toBut the problem with P2P isn't that it's hard in general, its that
> the protocols and build a reference platform leaving the community to
> deal with the deployment problem. BitTorrent is the classic case.
the use cases it covers aren't ubiquitous, and the single hardest
problem -- search -- has stayed hard.
BT Classic solved one of those use case -- bandwidth management --
brilliantly, and the community hacked it to apply to a second use
case -- hiding from the law -- but BT-style successes outside the
domain of the well-know problems are vanishingly rare.
> There's one area that I still think is ripe for a fresh approach and I
> hinted at it in my first post that kicked off this discussion. And
> that's group chat. There's room for something that is somewhere in the
> mid space between IRC and Twitter. It feels to me like it needs a
> P2P, push, architecture. It needs that Jabber-Email-NNTP-Apache thing
> that "Anyone can run a server" for the bits that should be
> And after chat, there's voice, video and 3D worlds. Remember VRML?
> an OSS 2nd Life server allow doorways into distributed new worlds?
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- The two places where we can promote P2P as a design pattern right now
is in the WHAT-WG of the W3C and the IETF. The WHAT-WG is the working
group responsible for defining the HTML5 standard.
Just last week I posted the following idea to the group's list and I'm
trying to recruit people that can help us explore this idea:
Keep in mind that for some reason my mail-agent and my friend's mail
agent broke the thread and it is separated into more than one thread
at the moment.
Gleicon has a few ideas for implementing this and I've gotten some
tips from others like Todd over at HighScalability.
If anyone on this list wants to participate or can indicate others to
participate, that would be awesome. Right now I'm trying to call the
attention of those with the technical knowledge necessary to take this
forward. I'm a product manager with the skills to help organize this
idea, but I don't know enough to make this happen alone.
andrew at deandrade dot com dot br