Re: [decentralization] The decline of P2P and Decentralisation
- Clay Shirky <clay@...> Wed, 2 May 2007 10:30:43
>And finally (and perhaps most significantly) end users turn out notAs always there are shades of grey here. Drupal and phpBB have done
>to care as much about issues of local control as we imagined. At time
>T+1 hour after the launch of any database-backed service, Marc Canter
>sends out mail claiming that the service really wants to be hosted as
>distributed but well-marked up data sets, but the advantages of LJ,
>YT, and MS have nevertheless persisted in offering features users
wonders for democratising the ability to run a website based discussion
forum for niche communities. It may not be P2P but it looks
decentralised to me compared with LJ, YT and MS. "Anyone can run a
server" is a powerful meme even if the server is running on cheap shared
hosting rather than a machine in your front room.
There is a solution to the "P2P is hard" problem. And that's to publish
the protocols and build a reference platform leaving the community to
deal with the deployment problem. BitTorrent is the classic case.
There's one area that I still think is ripe for a fresh approach and I
hinted at it in my first post that kicked off this discussion. And
that's group chat. There's room for something that is somewhere in the
mid space between IRC and Twitter. It feels to me like it needs a partly
P2P, push, architecture. It needs that Jabber-Email-NNTP-Apache thing
that "Anyone can run a server" for the bits that should be centralised.
And after chat, there's voice, video and 3D worlds. Remember VRML? Will
an OSS 2nd Life server allow doorways into distributed new worlds?
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- The two places where we can promote P2P as a design pattern right now
is in the WHAT-WG of the W3C and the IETF. The WHAT-WG is the working
group responsible for defining the HTML5 standard.
Just last week I posted the following idea to the group's list and I'm
trying to recruit people that can help us explore this idea:
Keep in mind that for some reason my mail-agent and my friend's mail
agent broke the thread and it is separated into more than one thread
at the moment.
Gleicon has a few ideas for implementing this and I've gotten some
tips from others like Todd over at HighScalability.
If anyone on this list wants to participate or can indicate others to
participate, that would be awesome. Right now I'm trying to call the
attention of those with the technical knowledge necessary to take this
forward. I'm a product manager with the skills to help organize this
idea, but I don't know enough to make this happen alone.
andrew at deandrade dot com dot br