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  • Aaron Wald
    ytalk is multi-user ... From: Dave Winer [mailto:dave@userland.com] Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 11:54 AM To: decentralization@egroups.com Subject: Re:
    Message 1 of 16 , Aug 31, 2000
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      ytalk is "multi-user"

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Dave Winer [mailto:dave@...]
      Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 11:54 AM
      To: decentralization@egroups.com
      Subject: Re: [decentralization] P2P multi-user chat


      The difference is "multi-user". Meaning more than two. Dave


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Rahul Dave" <rahul@...>
      To: <decentralization@egroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 9:00 AM
      Subject: Re: [decentralization] P2P multi-user chat


      > What about good old unix "talk"? Its between two machines, no central
      > server, each machine runs a talk server under inetd and has a talk client.
      > You say talk rahul@..., and if I have so allowed, I
      > will get a message on my terminal saying you want to talk with me.
      > Then I say talk you@..., and the connection is established.
      > There are extensions to 3 way talks bith no central mediation, but
      > p-p negotiation, obviously n-way-simultaneous scales as n^2 and is not
      > a great way of doing things...
      > Rahul
      > >
      > > Lemme say that P2P chat is a beautifully anonymous way to do things. So
      far
      > > chat systems (that I know of) all allow a central point to filter the
      data,
      > > which is pretty intrusive in some cases. What if you're confessing to
      the
      > > priest, or talking to your lawyer? ICQ is not under the same
      restrictions
      > > as priests and lawyers.
      > >
      > > - Lucas
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: sentto-2063116-276-967084012-lucas=worldos.com@...
      > > [mailto:sentto-2063116-276-967084012-lucas=worldos.com@....c
      > > om]On Behalf Of Dave Winer
      > > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 7:22 PM
      > > To: decentralization@egroups.com
      > > Cc: UserLand-Internal
      > > Subject: [decentralization] P2P multi-user chat
      > >
      > >
      > > We got to an interesting place today in the development of Radio
      UserLand,
      > > and talking amongst ourselves today a question came up, has it it been
      done
      > > before?
      > >
      > > We have P2P multi-user chat running. The only role the cloud performs is
      to
      > > help you find someone to connect up with. When you ask for permission to
      > > join a chat, you are then connected to all the people that person is
      > > chatting with. If you were chatting with five people, they also join the
      > > other chat, and vice versa.
      > >
      > > If two groups of 20 people are connected this way, you get a chat room
      with
      > > 40 people.
      > >
      > > Key point, the messages do not pass through the cloud. There is no data
      > > structure in the cloud that knows who's chatting with whom. The only
      purpose
      > > it serves is to get you into the first chat with the first user you
      choose
      > > to chat with.
      > >
      > > So -- has this been done before?
      > >
      > > Dave
      > >
      > > PS: Forgive my naivete if it has. I haven't been a regular chat user
      since
      > > the Web entered my life. Don't know why.
      > >
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    • Lucas Gonze
      Does ytalk use peer routing?
      Message 2 of 16 , Sep 1 11:09 AM
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        Does ytalk use peer routing?

        > ytalk is "multi-user"
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: Dave Winer [mailto:dave@...]
        > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 11:54 AM
        > To: decentralization@egroups.com
        > Subject: Re: [decentralization] P2P multi-user chat
        >
        >
        > The difference is "multi-user". Meaning more than two. Dave
        >
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: "Rahul Dave" <rahul@...>
        > To: <decentralization@egroups.com>
        > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 9:00 AM
        > Subject: Re: [decentralization] P2P multi-user chat
        >
        >
        > > What about good old unix "talk"? Its between two machines, no central
        > > server, each machine runs a talk server under inetd and has a talk client.
        > > You say talk rahul@..., and if I have so allowed, I
        > > will get a message on my terminal saying you want to talk with me.
        > > Then I say talk you@..., and the connection is established.
        > > There are extensions to 3 way talks bith no central mediation, but
        > > p-p negotiation, obviously n-way-simultaneous scales as n^2 and is not
        > > a great way of doing things...
        > > Rahul
        > > >
        > > > Lemme say that P2P chat is a beautifully anonymous way to do things. So
        > far
        > > > chat systems (that I know of) all allow a central point to filter the
        > data,
        > > > which is pretty intrusive in some cases. What if you're confessing to
        > the
        > > > priest, or talking to your lawyer? ICQ is not under the same
        > restrictions
        > > > as priests and lawyers.
        > > >
        > > > - Lucas
        > > >
        > > > -----Original Message-----
        > > > From: sentto-2063116-276-967084012-lucas=worldos.com@...
        > > > [mailto:sentto-2063116-276-967084012-lucas=worldos.com@....c
        > > > om]On Behalf Of Dave Winer
        > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 7:22 PM
        > > > To: decentralization@egroups.com
        > > > Cc: UserLand-Internal
        > > > Subject: [decentralization] P2P multi-user chat
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > We got to an interesting place today in the development of Radio
        > UserLand,
        > > > and talking amongst ourselves today a question came up, has it it been
        > done
        > > > before?
        > > >
        > > > We have P2P multi-user chat running. The only role the cloud performs is
        > to
        > > > help you find someone to connect up with. When you ask for permission to
        > > > join a chat, you are then connected to all the people that person is
        > > > chatting with. If you were chatting with five people, they also join the
        > > > other chat, and vice versa.
        > > >
        > > > If two groups of 20 people are connected this way, you get a chat room
        > with
        > > > 40 people.
        > > >
        > > > Key point, the messages do not pass through the cloud. There is no data
        > > > structure in the cloud that knows who's chatting with whom. The only
        > purpose
        > > > it serves is to get you into the first chat with the first user you
        > choose
        > > > to chat with.
        > > >
        > > > So -- has this been done before?
        > > >
        > > > Dave
        > > >
        > > > PS: Forgive my naivete if it has. I haven't been a regular chat user
        > since
        > > > the Web entered my life. Don't know why.
        > > >
        > > >
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