6987RE: [decentralization] Generalizing Peer Production into the Physical World
- Nov 11, 2007In the middle, it's people among tangibles (sheet music and mics) and
intangibles (thoughts and emotions).
In the end, it's the intangibles that give our lives meaning; e.g., love.
Love is energy created by matter.
[mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of Miles Fidelman
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [decentralization] Generalizing Peer Production into the
Mike Dierken wrote:
>> It's an internet solution to aMore to play devil's advocate on a Sunday morning, than anything else...
>> physical problem. The stuff on either end is physical; there's
>> historical sheet music on one side, and guitar players at open mic
>> nights on the other side. But in the middle is the internet.
> But the Internet is physical (electrons, silicon, copper, glass fiber,
> etc) ideas are not. That's the "exists" I was referring to. The
> statement that "[...] (the world of ideas) is increasingly
> indistinguishable from the world of things." seems ridiculous. Ideas
> actually are distinguishable from things. Sure, ideas can affect
> people and change their behavior and mass digital media has increased
> that rate of change, so it's extremely important. But saying they are
> indistinguishable sounds like intellectual puffery.
Are ideas indistinguishable from things, or vice versa?
Ideas are often stored/represented as states of matter, or systems
- the difference between two books: they may weigh the same, but what's
printed on the pages makes all the difference, or,
- a computer running a specific program behaves very differently than
one running a different program, or one that's halted (and that can
effect very physical things like energy used by that machine, or,
- the physical states of our bodies are very much interdependent with
what we are thinking, the activities of our autonomic nervous systems,
and the state of various chemicals (natural and otherwise) in our
Is an endorphin "high" an idea or a physical state or both? What about
And then you can always look toward basic physics: energy and matter are
interchangeable, as are energy and information content (entropy).
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