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4543RE: [decentralization] Groove centralizes

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  • cefn.hoile@bt.com
    Nov 2, 2001
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      From Todd: "Why do corporations work completely differently from the
      way open marketplaces function, within democratic society?"

      There is some interesting commentary in this area in the book 'The economic
      nature of the firm' (Louis Putterman ed.). The question is asked, why is the
      market/resource-constrained dynamic not used _within_ firms as a means of
      control? In other words, why are firms using command and control everywhere
      we look, and why are they not displaced by firms using market dynamics
      internally if its so efficient?

      Sadly I can't find my copy right now, otherwise I could give you some chunks
      from it.

      Anyway, the reference is available from...


      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Todd Boyle [SMTP:tboyle@...]
      > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 7:43 PM
      > To: decentralization@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: Re: [decentralization] Groove centralizes
      > At 09:31 AM 11/1/01, Tony Kimball wrote to Scott,
      > >: http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO65038,00.html
      > >:
      > >: I don't think corporations like having content strewn out across all
      > >: of their user's PCs and is used to having things centralized where
      > >: they can control and monitor them.
      > >:
      > >: Does this hurt the viability of decentralized systems in the
      > >: corporate landscape?
      > >
      > >No, it improves the viability. Users do in fact have content strewn
      > >about the network -- not only content, but other valuable resources as
      > >well, such as devices, metadata, bandwidth, etc., Decentralized
      > >systems can harness that content, and make it usable as an enterprise
      > >resource, thus creating new managable asset.
      > Corporations are command and control systems, of a type that
      > have been thoroughly and completely rejected by the populations
      > of every country on earth by now. Governments such as the soviet
      > union were spectacular failures.
      > Why do corporations work completely differently from the way open
      > marketplaces function, within democratic society?
      > When developers understand the answer to this question,
      > they will be more likely to write P2P software instead of
      > ever-more-powerful command and control systems.
      > Corporations operate completely differently from civil society, to
      > achieve greater logistical efficiency, reliability and information
      > dissemination by controlling the behaviors of members, all
      > that stuff -- we have networks and computers and collaboration
      > software for these things today. Let's use them, to compete
      > as freemen instead of slaves. Freemen are always more
      > efficient than command systems. We'll make good money.
      > Todd
      > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/decentralization/message/1819
      > ...types of decentralization, these are independent dimensions:
      > - the data,
      > - pointers and indexes to the data,
      > - other metadata i.e. useful metadata like document schemas,
      > - the encryption keys and certificates,
      > - routes taken by data content across networks (P2P variations),
      > - routes taken by the pointing, indexing, metadata information,
      > - incentive topology ($ Corp, $hierarchic/MLM, $peer, mojo, volunteer...)
      > - capital structure (pooled/central, decentralized, or hierarch. steps)
      > - political and social rulemaking topology /hierarchy,
      > - actual technical control (actual sovereignty)
      > - content creation (added by Mitra)
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