Re: [Death To Religion] Atheism vs. Agnosticism
- Ordinary people have their own world but it is a world invaded and ruled
over by ideal beings or transcendentals (God, heroes, martyrs and
saints) of which they(ordinary people) are forced to accept
indebtedness. Although nobody ask to be created(how could we?) we are
forced to believe that somehow we owe it to God for creating us, that we
are indebted to heroes, martyrs and saints for sacrificing their lives
for us, although nobody ask them to, but anyway, should we be thankful
for war and poverty that made the existence of all these "ideal beings"
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Richard Godwin" <meta@...>
>Ordinary people are not concerned with proof or philosophical
> "the rest of the universe" believes in a god, i.e. the vast majority.
>something "the rest of the universe lacks" sounds like you've dismissed
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> From: Clint
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> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 1:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Death To Religion] Atheism vs. Agnosticism
> Johnny Hawkins wrote:
> > I understand how passionate your disbelief is. Asking me if I have
any answers before you hear them. You know perfectly well I'm not alone.
You're conversing with one of millions, but I can't give you something
you can put under a microscope or aim a telescope at. I'm privileged to
experience miraculous healings, prophecies and provision on a regular
basis. It's not so much frustrating as it is odd to hear my own reality
denied by those who don't share it. My only point was that doubting what
you can't disprove (which so many others know as fact) makes more sense
than denying it.
> All I did was ask you a couple of questions. I didn't say what my
> beliefs were. All of these things you supposedly experience, you
> it is one specific thing without proof and conclude that it cannot bepercent
> something else, am I correct? So, I turn to the same two previous
> Why would you even think there is a god? Do you have some other
> of knowledge that the rest of the universe is lacking?as
> If we only know a millionth of a millionth of the knowledge out there
> this originally started, how are you so convinced there is a god?percent
> > Why would you even think there is a god? Do you have some other
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> > of knowledge that the rest of the universe is lacking?
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- I will explain Jesus' alleged suicide.
Jesus is an all knowing, all omniscient god, who as a god surely knew the future. Or so they claim.
Jesus also knew that his preaching and rabble rousing would piss the Romans and a lot of other Jews off.
Jesus could have escaped but he did not.
But, Jesus hung around, and waited for the Romans to arrest him.
At any time in his imaginary trial, Jesus could have said...no, I am not King of the Jews, no I am not here to destroy the Roman empire and he would have lived. Allegedly, he was judged by Pontius Pilate who did not want to become involved in such shenanigans and actually washed his hands of the trial.
Thus, Jesus willingly died by "suicide by cop (i.e. Roman soldier).
Hope this helps....
And take a note: When Jesus was dying, his last words were as an Atheist when he said: Oh father, why did you "forget" (forsake) me...Jesus found out too late there is no god. Oh well.
From: Clint <cy2600@...>
Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2012, 17:52
Subject: Re: [Death To Religion] Atheism vs. Agnosticism
Gillespie William wrote:
> I saw a Motto in Sweden...of a group of Atheists.....it said:I never understood how he willingly died for our sins when the Romans
> "So, Jesus died for our sins."
> "Well, who the bloody fuck asked you to kill yourself?!"
> I like that....
killed him (speaking only as it relates to the joke of course). Not like
he had a choice!
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