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  • Richard Godwin
    Two uses: 1. this is a miracle , meaning absolutely astounding and not to be expected. 2. violation of the ways nature operates, natural laws. ... From:
    Message 1 of 63 , Mar 31, 2012
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      Two uses: 1. "this is a miracle", meaning absolutely astounding and not to be expected. 2. violation of the ways nature operates, natural laws.


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      From: Gillespie William
      To: deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:02 PM
      Subject: Re: [Death To Religion] Atheism vs. Agnosticism



      A miracle....observed by whom? Reported by whom?

      And what is a miracle?

      Something that is a natural occurrence, that may or may not be out of the ordinary that can be explained if one researches the cause and effect....or a miracle in which someone claims that "god did it?" And such a miracle is like a magician pulling a rabbit magically out of a hat. If you believe magicians can really do magic, then you are very naive.

      I work in a hospital...I constantly hear two themes from the religious.

      a) its a miracle....Well, not its not. Their child/parent/spouse lived because of 1000s of hours of research, dedication of physcians, scientists, nurses, inventors, and creators....and so on.

      and b)...they Thank god. Again, how utterly ridiculous and ungrateful. Their child/spouse/parent lived not because of god, but again because of the physicians, scientists, nurses, inventors, creators, etc....who spent millions of hours doing the hard work that it takes to cure someone.

      I have gotten the reputation of "correcting" people who say "Thank god, Jesus, etc."...and state....No, if god has its way, your child/spouse/parent would be dead. In the bible, god/jesus didn't even know about germs, or boiling water, or anti biotics...or the steam engine, or any of the medical practices we use today.

      In fact, in jesus' time, people barely lived 40 years. Thank your doctor or the scientist....

      j

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      From: Johnny Hawkins <divineelectric@...>
      To: "deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com" <deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, 27 March 2012, 23:10
      Subject: Re: [Death To Religion] Atheism vs. Agnosticism



      What do you mean by "get real." Try communicating without vague polemics. You have nothing substantial here. I have experiential knowledge of Truth.

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      From: Richard Godwin <meta@...>
      To: deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 9:30 PM
      Subject: Re: [Death To Religion] Atheism vs. Agnosticism


      "Miracle" = an event that is observed which is astounding in terms of what would be expected. It need not mean violation of natural laws as we see in the Bible. The Bible is not history, not science. It basically is a collection of stories. So please get real.

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Johnny Hawkins
      To: deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 3:04 PM
      Subject: Re: [Death To Religion] Atheism vs. Agnosticism

      I understand how passionate your disbelief is. Asking me if I have something "the rest of the universe lacks" sounds like you've dismissed any answers before you hear them. You know perfectly well I'm not alone. You're conversing with one of millions, but I can't give you something you can put under a microscope or aim a telescope at. I'm privileged to experience miraculous healings, prophecies and provision on a regular basis. It's not so much frustrating as it is odd to hear my own reality denied by those who don't share it. My only point was that doubting what you can't disprove (which so many others know as fact) makes more sense than denying it.

      --- On Sun, 3/25/12, Clint <cy2600@...> wrote:

      Why would you even think there is a god? Do you have some other percent

      of knowledge that the rest of the universe is lacking?

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    • Gillespie William
      I will explain Jesus alleged suicide. Jesus is an all knowing, all omniscient god, who as a god surely knew the future. Or so they claim. Jesus also knew that
      Message 63 of 63 , Jun 30, 2012
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        I will explain Jesus' alleged suicide.


        Jesus is an all knowing, all omniscient god, who as a god surely knew the future. Or so they claim.


        Jesus also knew that his preaching and rabble rousing would piss the Romans and a lot of other Jews off.

        Jesus could have escaped but he did not.

        But, Jesus hung around, and waited for the Romans to arrest him.

        At any time in his imaginary trial, Jesus could have said...no, I am not King of the Jews, no I am not here to destroy the Roman empire and he would have lived. Allegedly, he was judged by Pontius Pilate who did not want to become involved in such shenanigans and actually washed his hands of the trial.


        Thus, Jesus willingly died by "suicide by cop (i.e. Roman soldier).

        Hope this  helps....

        And take a note: When Jesus was dying, his last words were as an Atheist when he said: Oh father, why did you "forget" (forsake) me...Jesus found out too late there is no god. Oh well.



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        From: Clint <cy2600@...>
        To: deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2012, 17:52
        Subject: Re: [Death To Religion] Atheism vs. Agnosticism


         
        Gillespie William wrote:
        > I saw a Motto in Sweden...of a group of Atheists.....it said:
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        > "So, Jesus died for our sins."
        >
        > "Well, who the bloody fuck asked you to kill yourself?!"
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        > I like that....

        I never understood how he willingly died for our sins when the Romans
        killed him (speaking only as it relates to the joke of course). Not like
        he had a choice!




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