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Re: [Death To Religion] The Value of Christianity

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  • praesto12
    You d ve to define what you mean by  Chritian Moral Values and  real and  important to whom?   Still, better than most Atheist garbage I hear.
    Message 1 of 52 , Feb 20, 2011
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      You'd ve to define what you mean by "Chritian Moral Values" and "real"
      and "important" to whom?

       
      Still, better than most Atheist garbage I hear.




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      From: bestonnet_00 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
      To: deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sun, February 20, 2011 9:30:03 PM
      Subject: Re: [Death To Religion] The Value of Christianity

       
      --- In deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com, Richard Godwin wrote:
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      > Christian moral values are real and important.

      Are you kidding?

      Stoning disobedient children, punishing rape victims equally with their
      attacker, drowning an entire planet's population, etc don't seem very good moral
      values to me.

      We'd do better to just throw all of Christian 'morality' out since the signal to
      noise ratio is just too poor to be worth looking at.







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    • praesto12
      It may be funny  or not. It doesn t much matter.  Richard ________________________________ From: julieg To:
      Message 52 of 52 , Mar 25, 2011
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        It may be funny  or not. It doesn't much matter.
         Richard




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        From: julieg <devasma@...>
        To: deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Fri, March 25, 2011 9:51:49 PM
        Subject: Re: [Death To Religion] The Value of Christianity is awesome!

         
        This may be the funniest post ever.

        --- In deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com, praesto12 <Praesto12@...> wrote:
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        > A "Witch" is an individual that uses "sorcery", which possibly means drugs, to

        > actively destroy and pull Individuals, including children, through satanic and

        > paganistic practices away from God. That's the general, very broad
        >definitions.
        >
        > I could go to the hebrew and discuss that as well.
        >
        >
        >  I think cult leaders like manson and jim jones would fit the bill in
        > contemporary terms. 
        >  Richard
        >
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        >
        > ________________________________
        > From: kaylee coats <sumluvlifilth@...>
        > To: deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Mon, February 21, 2011 3:41:32 PM
        > Subject: Re: [Death To Religion] The Value of Christianity
        >
        >  
        > No, I'm just saying that the same people who are known for adultery and
        > pedophilia shouldn't be making the rules for the rest of us.
        >
        > On a side note, I also realize I didn't respond to the witch thing. So, what do
        >
        > you define as a witch that needs to be burned? I define witches as people who
        > practice an ancient religion. If you burn them, you're saying that it's okay to
        >
        > burn anyone of any other religion aside from Christianity.
        >
        > ________________________________
        > From: praesto12 <Praesto12@...>
        > To: deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Sun, February 20, 2011 9:46:42 PM
        > Subject: Re: [Death To Religion] The Value of Christianity
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        > So people mess up marriages, therefor all sexual relationships are allowable?
        > No. Of course not.
        >
        > Safe sex is better than doing nothing. Safe sex within the loving
        > commited context of marriage is better. Especially if they are practicing
        > Christians!
        > It's the best way! There is no hope outside of Christ. As you know.
        >
        > Richard
        >
        > ________________________________
        > From: kaylee coats <sumluvlifilth@...>
        > To: deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Sun, February 20, 2011 11:47:12 PM
        > Subject: Re: [Death To Religion] The Value of Christianity
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        > You still have disease and unwanted children within marriage. Adultery is a
        >huge
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        > problem with married couples. In fact, I'm pretty sure that people who are
        > taught to have safe sex and that it is okay and accepted are less likely to
        >have
        >
        >
        >
        > a problem like disease and unwanted pregnancy.
        >
        > No, it is not denying instinct to have morality, in fact real morality is the
        > opposite. It is instinctive to cats, for instance, to want to save the lives of
        >
        > infant animals, even of other species, by nursing them if they are able to do
        > so. It is instinctive for me to not harm another person even if I have the
        > fleeting desire to do so. Why? Not because god told me so, or any other force.
        >A
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        > conscience is an inborn thing. As soon as people are developed enough to
        >realize
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        >
        > that others have feelings (this is not taught but realized naturally through
        > development) a conscience begins to form. It is INSTINCTIVE, as is any thought

        > process that a person or animal is not taught but comes across naturally.
        >
        > ________________________________
        > From: praesto12 <Praesto12@...>
        > To: deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Sun, February 20, 2011 8:36:07 PM
        > Subject: Re: [Death To Religion] The Value of Christianity
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        > Depends on what you mean by a "witch." And yes No Sex before marriage is a
        > important "value." Imagine all the diseases and unwanted kids that come from
        > people have sexual relationships outside of marriage. There was a son that was

        > killed for sin....
        >
        > Christianity is broad term. Chruch history is full of people manipulating other
        >
        >
        > people. So is political history and social history. This doesn't mean that all

        > political thought and all social thought is wrong....burn...
        >
        > What people know "instinictively" is to kill and steal and do whatever to
        > survive. It's only in denying out "instinct" that we have any sense
        > of "morality."
        >
        > Richard
        >
        > ________________________________
        > From: kaylee coats <sumluvlifilth@...>
        > To: deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Sun, February 20, 2011 9:26:59 PM
        > Subject: Re: [Death To Religion] The Value of Christianity
        >
        > Oh, so morals like burning witches and no sex before marriage are real and
        > important. What about taking unruly sons outside the city gates and stoning
        >them
        >
        >
        >
        > to death?
        >
        > Christianity isn't full of real morals, it's full of control-tatics. Real
        >morals
        >
        >
        >
        > are what people know instictively as right and wrong, not advice given by men
        > who saw other people as property or chattel to control.
        >
        > ________________________________
        > From: Richard Godwin <meta@...>
        > To: deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Sun, February 20, 2011 5:15:24 PM
        > Subject: Re: [Death To Religion] The Value of Christianity
        >
        > Christian moral values are real and important. But belief in myths and
        > doctrines is of very little if any value.
        >
        > Richard.
        >
        > On 2/20/2011 5:07 PM, Jack wrote:
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        > > I lost my faith after studying the history of Christianity, but I
        > > never lost my appreciation of the faith. T have very fond thoughts of
        > > my church and the congregation who played such an important part in my
        > > life. When I came out as an atheist late in life and attempted to join
        > > other atheists, I was upset with the amazingly antagonistic attitude
        > > that many atheists expressed.
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        > > I would like to discuss with anybody the values of Christianity and
        > > the many objections to religion that atheists quite commonly present.
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