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  • n1n31nchn3rd
    ... Disbelief? The rejection of someone else s belief? Hence, the lack of belief...? ... and ... So definitely a negative can be a positive. Interesting. I
    Message 1 of 68 , Jun 27, 2008
      Richard Godwin wrote:
      > Usually belief there is no god:

      Disbelief? The rejection of someone else's belief? Hence, the lack of

      > Lack of a belief definitely implies there
      > was consideration of the hypothesis, thus a choice to "not believe,"
      > this is a positive belief to reject the idea of a god.

      So definitely a negative can be a positive. Interesting.

      I believe no believe.

      Somehow, that doesn't sound right.

      1 a: marked by denial, prohibition, or refusal; also : marked by
      absence, withholding, or removal of something positive (1): denying a
      predicate of a subject or a part of a subject (2): denoting the
      absence or the contradictory of something (3): expressing negation c:
      adverse, unfavorable
      2 a: lacking positive qualities; especially : disagreeable b: marked
      by features of hostility, withdrawal, or pessimism that hinder or
      oppose constructive treatment or development <negative criticism> c:
      promoting a person or cause by criticizing or attacking the competition
      3 a (1): less than zero and opposite in sign to a positive number that
      when added to the given number yields zero (2): having more outgo than
      income : constituting a loss b: extending or generated in a direction
      opposite to an arbitrarily chosen regular direction or position

      > Further evidence to support my remark above, as you indicate
      > reflection on a hypothesis.

      Considerable reflection?

      1. Someone proposes a god.

      2. It doesn't coincide with what you already know of science.

      3. I guess I better sit here and entertain the notion instead of
      rejecting it.

      By the way you describe everything, you'd think to put reflection into
      something, there would have to be at least some thought that it could
      even be remotely true. That it would require some positive thoughts at

      The only thought being entertained in my mind is not over the
      existence a magical sky fairy but if this person has ever been

      > But whatever.

      Yes... whatever. It's all semantics, right? You can be with belief,
      you can be without belief? What's the difference, eh?

      When you put thoughts and actions on words and say they can be the
      opposite of what they really are... I don't know. I seems so
      philosophical rather than actual.
    • Richard Godwin
      May I suggest you put down the joint, wait a while, and then write. ... From: Justin Kolata To: Sent:
      Message 68 of 68 , Jul 7, 2008
        May I suggest you put down the joint, wait a while, and then write.

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Justin Kolata" <justink@...>
        To: <deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 7:53 AM
        Subject: RE: [Death To Religion] Re: New Group wanting members about

        Dawkins says it best...

        "It is absolutely safe to say that, if you meet somebody who claims not to
        believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane (or wicked,
        but I'd rather not consider that)."
        --Richard Dawkins

        -----Original Message-----
        From: deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com
        [mailto:deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of a a
        Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 4:32 PM
        To: deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [Death To Religion] Re: New Group wanting members about

        No, my friend, you are speaking out of ignorance. First of all, Communism
        does not believe in a God, so what is, in general, the only other option for
        the creation of man? Evolutionism. In addition Nietzsche was heavily
        influenced by Darwin, and Nietzsche strongly influenced
        Hitler(superman/nazism) who also influence Mussolini. Look up your

        First, let's just take dictionary.com


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        Audio Help /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled
        Pronunciation[ri-lij-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

        a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the
        universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or
        agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often
        containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

        Well, we've already discussed the moral ramification of an Evolutionary
        worldview( and all the murder it leads into) so let's see, beliefs
        concerning the cause, macro-evolutionism ascribes, poorly i might add, to
        the idea of a cosmic burp(big bang) so you got that going, next in the
        evolutionary religion, one generally believes life is purposeless and many
        state so; Existentialism, and you certainly believe in a superhuman agency
        of somekind, though I'm not sure what other than choas in the creation of
        everything so, yes, Evolutionism is a religion. This is too easy.

        2nd, I'm not supporting communism so I have no response to that, however
        if someone kills in the name of Christ it is against his message. If someone
        kills in the name of "survival of the fittest" then it is for it's message.
        Hitler used members of the Catholic Church in order to support his
        pagan/evolutionary ideas but in practice or in theory he was not Christian.
        Try again. Come on guys, give me some intelligent discussion.

        Lastly, Talkorigins is a joke. I want your ideas not some lame website.

        Anyhow, Evolution is an idol. People have created it as an idol in order
        to avoid facing the reality that there is a God that will Judge us when we
        die. Humans are too proud, generally, to admit that they are wrong so they
        hang on to outdated illusions like Evolutionism. I see your talkorigins, and
        I seen other sites and they all fail to see the forest for the trees.

        Why reject Jesus?

        --- In deathtoreligion@ yahoogroups. com, a a <Praesto12@. ..> wrote:
        > Guys, evolution, as the religion it is, has not won anything,
        > expect for being a leading idealogy in the killing of millions of
        > people. In all due respect, why would anyone *believe in the
        > religion of Evolution? And by that term what are you guys referring
        > to?

        You are an idiot.

        First of all evolution is not a religion.

        Second, evolution has not been an ideology involved in the killing of
        millions of people, Christianity and communism on the other hand...
        Remember that Adolf Hitler was a Christian and Joesph Stalin a
        communist who supported Lysenko.

        Third, there are very good reasons to believe that evolution happened.

        http://www.talkorig ins.org/faqs/ faq-misconceptio ns.html#observe
        http://www.talkorig ins.org/faqs/ comdesc/
        http://www.talkorig ins.org/faqs/ jury-rigged. html

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