8952Re: [Death To Religion] Digest Number 419
- Sep 1, 2005You do realise that the Onion (which published the Intelligent falling
article) is satire?
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Olatunde Aroloye
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> > There are 2 messages in this issue.
> > Topics in this digest:
> > 1. Re: "IF"
> > From: "Mr. Pessimistic"
> > <badleathermonkey@y...>
> > 2. Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity With
> > New 'Intelligent Falling' Theory
> > From: n1n31nchn3rd
> > <n1n31nchn3rd@p...>
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:03:08 -0000
> > From: "Mr. Pessimistic"
> > <badleathermonkey@y...>
> > Subject: Re: "IF"
> > Lotta IF's!
> > Many freethinkers of the late 19th Century thought
> > that religion would
> > die down, but it in fact increased.
> > I am reading Susan Jacoby's book "Freethinkers" now
> > and she attributes
> > this increase in religious belief to the advent of
> > mass media, radio
> > and such, that made it possible for those of faith
> > to reach out to a
> > bigger audience and thus unite, if not increase,
> > their ranks.
> > This has all culminated in the recent puch by
> > religious groups in the
> > 70's infiltrating schools boards and political
> > offices at the hand of
> > Pat Robertson and the Christian Coalition (a curse
> > on them).
> > I do not think religion is going anywhere NEAR the
> > wayside. It may
> > eventually, but not for a very long time. The
> > questions we should ask
> > is how do we promote atheism and freethought...and
> > how do we EDUCATE
> > the otherwise sheepish members of our society?
> > Mr. P.
> > --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Newton
> > Joseph"
> > <drnjoseph@s...> wrote:
> > > I don't think we can distroy religion. But I think
> > it can be
> > weakened.
> > > If it were possible that atheist groups with
> > unlimited resources in
> > > regards to money,we could have hour long twice
> > daily atheist programs
> > > on prime time TV. If Freethought publications were
> > given wider
> > > distrabution and if we had atheist columns in
> > major newspapers. "IF"
> > > magizines and newspapers were not cowed by the
> > threat of boycot from
> > > fanatical christian groups. If had atheist
> > lobbyists in
> > > Whashington, "if".
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:18:56 -0400
> > From: n1n31nchn3rd <n1n31nchn3rd@p...>
> > Subject: Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity With
> > New 'Intelligent Falling' Theory
> > KANSAS CITY, KSAs the debate over the teaching of
> > evolution in public
> > schools continues, a new controversy over the
> > science curriculum arose
> > Monday in this embattled Midwestern state.
> > Scientists from the
> > Evangelical Center For Faith-Based Reasoning are now
> > asserting that the
> > long-held "theory of gravity" is flawed, and they
> > have responded to it
> > with a new theory of Intelligent Falling.
> > Rev. Gabriel Burdett (left) explains Intelligent
> > Falling.
> > Above: Rev. Gabriel Burdett (left) explains
> > Intelligent Falling.
> > "Things fall not because they are acted upon by some
> > gravitational
> > force, but because a higher intelligence, 'God' if
> > you will, is pushing
> > them down," said Gabriel Burdett, who holds degrees
> > in education,
> > applied Scripture, and physics from Oral Roberts
> > University.<<
> "There is no fool like an educated fool,
> once he gets off the thing he was educated in."
> -Kenneth Copeland
> A user of science myself, I find nothing wrong with
> Burdett's statement. For instance, someone very
> sensible once wrote that we COULD all believe that the
> Universe revolved around the Earth IF WE CHOSE- all it
> would do is just make astronomical computations a bit
> more complicated. He wasn't advocating that- he wasn't
> some religious nut- he just made a point.
> Where I get very annoyed is where people concoct these
> sorts of theories, then KILL AND DIE FOR THEM. For
> WHAT? It is just a POINT OF VIEW!
> What makes it WORSE is when THERE IS NO PRACTICAL
> APPLICATION for the theory! What do you NEED it for,
> then? See, if, along with the theory, Burdett now
> reaches into his @$$, and yanks out A WORKING
> ANTI-GRAVITY ENGINE, aha! NOW YOU ARE TALKING!
> THAT would SURELY CHANGE LIFE ON EARTH AS WE KNOW IT!
> This is the Problem with Pentecostalism (my chosen
> religion): We got all these idiots who have visions
> (we can PROVE that they DO have some measure of
> usually uncontrollable ESP), and they meet "God." And
> all they TALK about is HOW TO START A NEW
> DENOMINATION! Why not ASK about, say, THE CURE FOR
> CANCER (I already got that one), or PERPETUAL MOTION
> (i.e. "FREE ENERGY," several someones else got that),
> or A NEW GOSPEL ACCOUNT of THE LIFE OF CHRIST that
> would END Christian disunity? (Working on it!) Silence
> and eradicate the irrational sick nuts for ever?
> But no- all we get out of them is something totally
> mundane and short-sighted- an unnecessary Healing or
> Prphetic "Gift" that would KILL ALL SPIRITUAL
> DEVELOPMENT in the recipient, and those influenced by
> him. (Example: Kenneth E. Hagin).
> > Burdett added: "Gravitywhich is taught to our
> > children as a lawis
> > founded on great gaps in understanding. The laws
> > predict the mutual
> > force between all bodies of mass, but they cannot
> > explain that force.
> > Isaac Newton himself said, 'I suspect that my
> > theories may all depend
> > upon a force for which philosophers have searched
> > all of nature in
> > vain.' Of course, he is alluding to a higher
> When I discovered SCIENTOLOGY around 1994, my reaction
> was: WHY WAS I NOT *TOLD* THIS???
> Three of L. Ron Hubbard's key disclosures was that the
> Universe could be considered to be "Motion of Energy
> in Space through Time;" "ALL Thought is concerned
> wholly with motion;" "The Goal of all Existence is
> Survival, and only Survival."
> I realized then that what we in Bible Religion call
> "The Commandments of God" are THE PRESCRIBED VECTORS
> to PROMOTE LIFE. This had special significance to me,
> because in the Faith Movement we are taught that "The
> Word of God" "IS" Life.
> So I realized that "LIFE" depends on SUPERCEDING
> Newton's THREE LAWS OF MOTION.
> Inanimate objects and CORPSES obey Newton's Three Laws
> PERFECTLY, but LIVING THINGS DO NOT. Of course, if you
> add up all the motion going on in any organism, and
> correlate it with the calorific intake, you should
> probably find that no magic energy comes from or
> disappears to somewhere, BUT IN CHRISTIANITY
> ESPECIALLY, we are specifically commanded to MOVE
> DISPROPORTIONATELY to forces acting on us.
> NEWTON: Objects continue in a state of rest, or
> uniform motion in a straight line, unless acted upon
> by unbalanced forces.
> JESUS: All things that you would others do for you, do
> ye also to them, for this IS The Law and The prophets.
> NEWTON: The rate of change of momentum is proportional
> to the force applied.
> JESUS: Bless them that curse you, do good to those who
> hate you.
> NEWTON: Action and reaction are equal and opposite.
> JESUS: If anyone smite thee on thy right chhek, turn
> to him the other also.
> We find that if we figure out how Human behavior is
> flawed by our occasionally acting like an inanimate
> object, a state New Testament thought calls "Death,"
> we can derive a philosophy of life very similar to
> what Jesus commanded, and the best teachings of the
> Old Testament. It is very intersting to note that
> JESUS' DISCIPLES and the so-called Apostle Paul
> SHARPLY DEVIATED from those teachings, and actually
> tried to HIDE Jesus' teachings from The Church- which
> is how all the trouble with Christianity REALLY
> I am very intersted in the fact that NO CHRISTIAN has
> ever reported what I have seen in L. Ron Hubbard's
> doctrine- which is derived from the entirety of
> Matthew 18 in The Bible.
> It gets even more interesting when you try out even
> those who consider themselves "deeply spiritual" with
> the teachings of Dr. Carlos Castaneda, the
> anthropologist who was accidentally trained as a
> Native American Nagual seer, able to *see* visions at
> will and teleport himself physically into Adjacent
> Carlos Castaneda proved more or less athenticity of
> the entirety of Jesus of Nazareth's "crazy doctrine,"
> but Christianity at large DOESN'T WANT TO KNOW THAT.
> The most important thing about L. Ron Hubbard and
> Carlos Castaneda is that THEY PROVE that you DON'T
> NEED TO sell your soul to YAHWEH GOD, JESUS, SATAN or
> any other entity, but if you just DISCIPLINE YOURSELF,
> you can attain ANY spiritual level or power that you
> ONLY Carlos Castaneda has ever revealed publicly
> EXACTLY what happens to people after they die, and
> what the alternate options are. (There have been
> people who knew this stuff all along, but they weren't
> talking. Some learned to keep their mouths shut the
> hard way!)
> > Founded in 1987, the ECFR is the world's leading
> > institution of
> > evangelical physics, a branch of physics based on
> > literal interpretation
> > of the Bible.<<
> I have never heard of it, but I will predict THIS
> based on this one example you have shown us: THEY WILL
> GET NOWHERE.
> This thing has been tried before- CREATION RESEARCH
> INSTITUTE- debunkers of the Evolutionary Theory.
> They have some good points, but are stuck in a
> dead-end. Jesus himself said, to the effect that it is
> ridiculous to start to build a tower, then run out of
> money before it is finished, creating a monument to
> your own stupidity.
> Christians have long substituted knowing what is right
> themselves with telling other people they are wrong.
> If an "Unbeliever" does not know that God created the
> World, what is the business of a Christian to crucify
> him for that? He himself DOES NOT KNOW that God
> created the World- he merely BELIEVES IT. If he were
> SERIOUS, he would then FIND OUT HOW God created the
> World. This has NEVER happned in Christianity, yet.
> (Excluding myself: for I DO know, now, thanks to
> Hubbard and Castaneda. However, none of their
> followers seem able to follow me when I explain it to
> them, nor do they seem to have much of a handle on it
> themselves. The two founders of Scientology and
> Tensegrity can be demonstrated not to have realized
> what they really had, but put it to the most
> ridiculous use. Like inventing the diesel engine, and
> using it for a door stop.)
> > According to the ECFR paper published simultaneously
> > this week in the
> > International Journal Of Science and the adolescent
> > magazine God's Word
> > For Teens!, there are many phenomena that cannot be
> > explained by secular
> > gravity alone, including such mysteries as how
> > angels fly, how Jesus
> > ascended into Heaven, and how Satan fell when cast
> > out of Paradise.<<
> The Bible originally said that Satan originated on
> Earth. This is consistent with certain phenomena that
> prove a basis to the "Fall of Man" story. No one I
> ever heard of has ever come up with SATAN'S REAL
> WHY would an "ANGELIC BEING," possessed of superHuman
> wisdom OPPOSE GOD HIS CREATOR? What is IN it for him?
> WHY couldn't he FORSEE what would happen to him?
> But if you DISCOUNT the fragmentary hints of the
> DISCREDITED JEWISH "PROPHETS" (Isaiah and Ezekiel) and
> go back to MOSES ORIGINAL EXPLANATION you find that as
> an EARTH-CREATED ANIMAL, The "Serpent" has a VESTED
> INTEREST in STEALING MAN'S DIVINE-CLASS ENERGY that
> would enable him to Operate and Exist in the seven
> Higher Universes called "Heaven."
> Everything falls into place, then.
> It can be proven that this "Fall of Man" Op is STILL
> GOING ON. EVERYONE experiences this. "Sin" largely
> consists of UNTHINKING ACTIONS that will permit the
> "Devil" species to steal our constantly regenerating
> life force, until only about 1% of it is left.
> This is why Human life is so fragile.
> This is why our offspring are apparently born
> It is NOT natural.
> > The ECFR, in conjunction with the Christian
> > Coalition and other
> > Christian conservative action groups, is calling for
> > public-school
> > curriculums to give equal time to the Intelligent
> > Falling theory. They
> > insist they are not asking that the theory of
> > gravity be banned from
> > schools, but only that students be offered both
> > sides of the issue "so
> > they can make an informed decision."
> > "We just want the best possible education for
> > Kansas' kids," Burdett said.
> > Proponents of Intelligent Falling assert that the
> > different theories
> > used by secular physicists to explain gravity are
> > not internally
> > consistent. Even critics of Intelligent Falling
> > admit that Einstein's
> > ideas about gravity are mathematically
> > irreconcilable with quantum
> > mechanics. This fact, Intelligent Falling proponents
> > say, proves that
> > gravity is a theory in crisis.
> > "Let's take a look at the evidence," said ECFR
> > senior fellow Gregory
> > Lunsden."In Matthew 15:14, Jesus says, 'And if the
> > blind lead the blind,
> > both shall fall into the ditch.' He says nothing
> > about some gravity
> > making them falljust that they will fall. Then, in
> > Job 5:7, we read,
> > 'But mankind is born to trouble, as surely as sparks
> > fly upwards.' If
> > gravity is pulling everything down, why do the
> > sparks fly upwards with
> > great surety? This clearly indicates that a
> > conscious intelligence
> > governs all falling."
> > Critics of Intelligent Falling point out that
> > gravity is a provable law
> > based on empirical observations of natural
> > phenomena. Evangelical
> > physicists, however, insist that there is no
> > conflict
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