8655Re: [Death To Religion] spirituality
- Sep 15 1:59 PMMaurice Said:
"One thing I have noticed is that, as a general rule, athiests tend
to behave more morally than believers... I think atheists behave more
morally because they know they must take personal responsibility for
their morality, whereas Christians can just go to confession or get
Then he said
"I want to point out that atheism is not a belief system. Believers
like to characterize it as such, but that is not the case. There is no
atheist creed to which atheists must subscribe; no dogmas, no
rituals, no articles of faith. Atheism is the freedom from such
things, and freedom from supernaturalism and superstition. But
individual atheists vary widely in what they find intellectually
acceptable. One on this group finds the idea of moral absolutes
acceptable, which astonishes me."
Atheists "behave... morally" even *more* morally than 'believers'.
Somehow they accomplish this despite a "wide variety" of that which
is "intellectually acceptable". And at the same time, you're
astonished over the idea of support for moral absolutes. There's a
pretty large logical conundrum there. Without a finite "set" of
morals, how can you measure (as in "more moral") the morality of one
kind over another?
You could be a UU - then you can invent whatever definition of
morality you wish and therefore your statement of you and your kind
being *more moral* than another kind would be true as can be (for
what it's worth). Oooops, that won't work either. I forgot about
dogma, superstition etc.
By inferrence, you seem to state that 'believers' are not free from
those rituals or dogmas, even superstitions. That characterizes every
religious order as having those attributes. That's an incorrect
attribution - and blatantly so.
You know, I'm always telling my kids "Behave will ya?". I guess
behavior is important afterall. Where do I get such a notion?????
Thank God for atheism then?
But on "articles of faith"? Just put your hand on the left side of
your chest, feel your heart beating, and understand that there's no
escape from faith as long as that machine's pumping man - like it or
Someone needs to rename this group 'Death To Logic' or better
yet 'Plllllease.... ANYTHING But GOD, ack!'.
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