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  • Ricky Barnes
    Apr 2, 2003
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      --- In deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com, "Don Tipton"
      <gizzard2003@y...> wrote:

      > Well well, another spook, eh? By your liberal post I seem
      > to have underestimated you personally and professionally.

      Hi Don.

      Thanks for taking the time to answer some of the questions. I
      realize you didn't have to really but it's nice to meet someone with
      integrity and very nice to meet another "spook." I've encountered
      several others online who made claims to knowledge of intelligence
      but all turned out to be total frauds.

      I'm not certain what you mean by "liberal post." My set of
      questions to you was the only thing I've posted lately and there
      wasn't anything liberal about it that I'm aware of. I am an
      objectivist both philosophically and politically so I don't consider
      myself liberal or conservative. I consider both of those "bents" to
      be statism in one form or another. I also don't belong to any
      political party for the same reasons.


      > 2. The significance of UMBRA is, that part of any "plan or
      > manifestation" which lies to the "center and is unseen" because of
      > an overiding public acclaim to adopt that plan. It is sort of like
      > the shadowy center of a sunspot, there is no detail in the center
      > of the arrangment becaus it is concealed for some purpose.
      > (The devil is in the details)
      >
      > SPOKE is the path that an Agent uses, to discover the real center
      > of any proposal or plan, like the rungs of a ladder, going from
      > one spoke to another till the end is in sight.


      I wasn't certain about asking this particular question because both
      of these "terms" were currently used when I was in the service and
      considering when you were involved they might not have been used
      then. This is the question I said should not be answered.


      > 7. My branch was Army, but my unit was always Multi-service and
      > there were only 19 in our group. (Our mentor was Admiral Rickover)
      > I will not provide any ID Number to you or anyone else.


      Actually, I wasn't asking for an ID number. I realize that is
      private and would never ask such a question. What I was referring
      to by "classification" was the number each of the services use to
      designate all of the particular specialties. For instance, all of
      the Army MI people I worked with were language specialists so their
      MOS was (If I remember correctly) 48G. In the Air Force my
      speciality was also language analysis and my AFSC (job
      classification) was 208XXX. I realize now that if your specialty
      was rare you might not have had an MOS like that but you might have
      and I was just curious if I'd recognize it.


      > 9. THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY is responsible for intercepting
      > worldwide signals, and eavesdropping on wired and wireless
      > systems. (SIGINT)


      This was my last duty assignment before I left the Air Force.
      Considering the location of NSA, that was the relevancy of
      the "George Meade" question.


      > 10. I am not a linguist but my daughter is, she trained in
      > California at Monterey.


      Cool. I went to DLI in Monterey three times during my time in
      service for a year each time. It's a beautiful area and I wanted to
      settle there when I got out. Unfortunately the cost of living is
      through the roof. I contemplated applying for employment at DLI or
      the Naval Postgraduate School there in Monterey but instead opted to
      go into the Navy after I left the Air Force. I hope your daughter
      is safe and not in the middle east at the moment. I trained and
      worked with a lot of Arabic linguists during my service and I'll bet
      many of them are deep in the thick of this thing.


      > COMMENTARY: How do you feel about domestic spying? I did
      > some of this as a military project if the group we interdicted
      > had a foreign source and reported to that source. i.e The
      > Aryan Nation in Idaho, at Hayden Lake, known as "neo Nazis"
      > the heirarchy are actually communists, but the rank and file
      > don't know it. (National Socialism is their economic system
      > that ties to the political system broadly known as Marxism.


      Well, in civilian law enforcement it's called surveillance but I
      know what you're saying. I did some civilian-related language work
      with a civilian law enforcement agency in Washington DC for about
      four months involving foreign organized crime-related activity in
      the area. Interesting stuff but not near as cushy working
      environment as I had at NSA.

      As far as the U.S. military being involved in "spying" on U.S.
      citizens or U.S. persons whether within the borders of the U.S. or
      out, I know in my own work we went to great lengths to avoid even
      inadvertent collection of that type of information. On many
      occasions materials had to be immediately destroyed because of such
      inadvertent intercept. My feelings about that type of collection is
      that the collection and the analysis of it isn't so much a problem
      as what we do with the information once we have it. I realize many
      non-government sponsored organizations are a direct threat to "U.S.
      interests" and surveillance of those entities is warranted. It's a
      very fine line those in intel have to walk. It's not an easy job by
      an means which is why I found it so fascinating and why I stuck with
      it for fifteen years. I kick myself almost every day for not
      staying until retirement.

      Again, nice to meet you and, I hope your daughter is safe and well.

      Rick
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