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13653Re: The Faith Instinct

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  • eh60driver
    Jan 4, 2011
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      Wade made the point that religion prepares its followers for war. Not that religion is the cause of war, but it is a motivator for war. Wars are all political, but would be hard to convince people to die for politics. Secular societies have substituted religion of god for religion of nationalism. Marching soldiers, flags, shiny medals, uniforms, are all symbols of a religion of the state. I spent 20 years in the army. Every deployment was preceded by huge formations martial music, speeches, etc. So, religion does not really disappear in societies with high standards of living. Those societies need young people willing to die for that standard, and what better way than the religion of nationalism? And in the US, religion has not nearly disappeared. And the US is the most militaristic society that has ever existed (my opinion).


      --- In deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com, bestonnet_00 <no_reply@...> wrote:
      > The biggest problem with any conjecture that religion is somehow innate in humans is that it doesn't explain why it disappears in societies that provide a high standard of living.
      > I suspect what is actually going on is that religion is a mechanism of coping with bad conditions, probably through a mixture of the socialisation that it provides (and which a bowling league could also provide) and the idea that there is another life that will be better than the miserable life the person is currently leading (not exactly something your average bowling league could provide).
      > See http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=library&page=norris_27_2 and http://www.ipri.pt/eventos/pdf/Paper_Norris%20and%20Inglehart.pdf (which the former is basically a shorter version of).
      > --- In deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com, "eh60driver" wrote:
      > >
      > > I am reading an interesting book called "The Faith Instinct: How
      > > Religion Evolved and Why It Endures" by Nicholas Wade. It speaks of
      > > the evolution of religion from man's hunter/gatherer days to today's
      > > mega-churches. It begs the question, "Did we evolve this instinct
      > > as a method of survival to enable groups of people to interact and
      > > bond together or were we endowed with this instinct by god so that
      > > we may seek him/her/it out for purposes of worship"? Do humans need
      > > religion?
      > > Does Humanity need religion? The book does not much address the
      > > existence of a god, but our tendency to band together for worship.
      > > Wouldn't a bowling league be as effective?
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