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  • Mike Menkin
    This is from an interview with David Jacobs, author of the Threat. Q. And A. With David Jacobs On The Threat By Sean Casteel Temple University professor
    Message 1 of 19 , May 1, 2002
      This is from an interview with David Jacobs, author of the Threat.

      Q. And A. With David Jacobs On "The Threat"
      By Sean Casteel
      Temple University professor David Jacobs, Ph.D., the author of the highly
      regarded books "The UFO Controversy In America" and "Secret Life," has spent
      more than 30 years researching UFOs and alien abduction. But it was only
      recently that he came to feel he had solved the mystery to his own
      satisfaction. The solutions he arrived at are the subject of his third book,
      "The Threat: What The Aliens Really Want And How They Plan To Get It" (Simon
      and Schuster, 1998).
      Finding what he believes to be the answers was not a happy event for Jacobs.
      He told us recently that he now approaches the subject with an attitude of
      dread and deep concern about the future of humanity and the planet we call
      home.
      Casteel: What do the aliens really want?
      Jacobs: Well, you know, the ultimate question I think to ask for the UFO
      phenomenon is "Just what the hell do you think they're here for?" That's the
      question that I've tried to address in this book--what is this all about?
      What is happening here? Why is this happening? Why are people saying that
      these events are happening? So what I've done then is try to answer those
      questions as best I can by using as much information as I can from eleven
      years of fairly intensive research into abductions.
      And what I've been able to find is that this is a program. They're not here
      just because they're examining people, or studying people, or experimenting
      on people. I don't know, Sean, if you remember I gave a talk about that in
      Los Angeles when I saw you. So they're not here to sort of "examine" us in
      some way. They're here on a mission. They're here with a goal in mind.
      They've got a program, and it's a program with a beginning, a middle and an
      end. It's a program that is goal-directed and I think we're entering into
      sort of the end-phase of this program. I think that we're moving towards the
      end of this.
      And the program ultimately is not abducting people. Abductions, you have to
      remember, are a means to an end. They're abducting people for a purpose, for
      a reason. The physical act of abducting people, which is the abduction
      phenomenon, really is only part of the program. So what I've done is kind of
      divided it into component parts and fleshed it out a lot more. So what we
      have here is an abduction program, a breeding program, which accounts for
      all the reproductive activity that we see, and a hybridization program,
      which is why people see hybrids all the time--as babies, as toddlers, as
      adolescents, and then as adults.
      And then, finally, I think all this is leading to an integration program in
      which ultimately these hybrids, who look very human, will be integrating
      into this society. And who will eventually, I assume, be in control here
      because they do have superior technology and superior physiological
      abilities that we do not have. We would therefore be sort of second-class
      citizens, I think.

      Now, I find this to be very disturbing. And the interesting thing is that I
      don't really see other scenarios. I know that people feel it's positive and
      it's wonderful, and all the rest of that. And they're here to help us. But
      in the cases that I've investigated, very carefully, very thoroughly, for a
      very long time, I have not had people discuss that. When people discuss the
      future, generally speaking, they are discussing this integration program
      that they're confronting, and we're all confronting. I've been involved with
      UFO research for about 32 years now, since about 1965, and I have never been
      downcast or depressed about the phenomenon. I have never been pessimistic
      about it. I've always been filled with wonder and awe and amazement at it.
      I've been enthusiastic and optimistic about it.
      But I must say that now that I've learned as much as I have learned, and I
      think I've learned an awful lot, I am very, very unsettled and upset by what
      I see. I don't like what I see. I wish I didn't see this. I wish I hadn't
      uncovered this. I despair of it. It's thrown me into a tremendous sense of
      concern about the future and unease. I just don't like it very much. I wish
      I did. I don't want to be this way. I don't want to be the bearer of bad
      news. I could not have ever imagined that I would come to this position.
      What I'm seeing now, what I've found with the phenomenon, I could never have
      imagined.
      Now, though, I am persuaded by the evidence. I think that we are looking at
      a very serious business happening in front of us. As you know, the UFO and
      abduction phenomena is very, very widespread. And people have seen tens of
      thousands, hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of UFOs around the world
      for a long time now, at least through the 20th Century, and certainly since
      1947, and before that as well. It means that the amount of time and energy
      put into this program is really quite enormous. This means that it has a
      tremendous amount of importance to these beings.
      And there's another aspect to it also that is disconcerting. It's a secret
      phenomenon. They don't want us to know what they're doing. They don't want
      us to interfere. This is a consciously-arrived-at and successful secrecy
      programt to prevent us from knowing. Gosh, that makes me very uneasy, Sean.
      So anyway, I've become depressed about the whole thing.
      Casteel: So the reason for all this negative feeling and depression is
      because you feel that you and I and people who are natural human beings will
      somehow be subject to a higher form of oppression?
      Jacobs: Of authority, right. I do think that something like is going to
      happen. The way I look at is, I have one scenario which I like. All the rest
      of them I don't like. The one scenario which I do like is that one day, they
      will come to the abductees and say, "Our program is done now. We have
      accomplished our goal. We've taken what we need. Thank you so much for your
      help. Thank you so much for your cooperation. We'll be leaving now. You'll
      never know we were even there. People will wonder forever whether they were
      abducted or not. Now, goodbye and good night." That's my favorite scenario.
      I love that scenario. But in fact, we never hear that. We always hear a
      scenario about the future in which these beings say they're going to be here
      with us.

      And everything is going to be wonderful. Everything is going to be great.
      It's going to be just delightful. We're going to like it, they're going to
      like it, everybody's going to like it. That's the future according to them,
      but when I take a look at their society, and when I take a look at a future
      in which they would be in control because of their superior technology and
      physiological abilities, I see a very, very different society than the kind
      that we live in now--a society that's far more restricted and far more
      controlled. The whole concept of individual freedom in this kind of society
      would be under serious question. I don't like that. I don't want it. I would
      rather have human beings make their own mistakes and fix their own problems
      and do things by themselves. I think we're perfectly capable of doing it. I
      think we can all live together into a happy future. I think that's within
      the realm of possibility.
      Casteel:So they paint a Utopian picture of what's going to happen?
      Jacobs: Well, they paint a picture of what they consider to be good for
      themselves. And they live in a controlled society. They live in a society
      where everybody knows his or her job. They live in a society where
      everything is controlled. The ability for people to act independently is
      very, very circumscribed in this kind of society that they live in. I just
      don't like it. I'm filled with apprehension over this. Now the key thing
      here is they are here for a reason. They are not studying or experimenting
      on us, and they're keeping their activities secret from us so we won't find
      out.
      Casteel: That's what you were saying at the lecture, that they were way
      beyond the experimental stage.
      Jacobs: Right. In fact, that was the title of the lecture "Is this an
      experiment or a program?" You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see
      what's going on. This doesn't look like an experiment to me, you know. It's
      been worldwide with millions of people for 50 years. Day in, day out, 24
      hours a day. What kind of an experiment is that? And there are a lot of
      other reasons why it's not an experiment.
      So it's disconcerting. And I never used to think this until I began to put
      it together--until I began to come to these conclusions and realize I think
      this is what it is. I think that in the book, basically, I've advanced
      hypotheses which might very well essentially be what this UFO phenomenon is
      all about. This is not the final aspect of studying this phenomenon, but I
      do think that I've fleshed out what the goals and purposes are. We're not
      exactly sure of all the "whys." Why they would want to do it in the first
      place? What's the point? We don't really know that. But I think this is
      certainly a hypothetical answer to the UFO puzzle. I think pretty much we've
      answered it.
      That's what we're looking at. And therefore I think we're looking at a very
      difficult future.
      Casteel:So the "how-they-plan-to-get-it" part would be through the breeding
      and hybridization programs?
      Jacobs: Yeah, but how it's going to be played out, I don't really know.
      There's a lot of different scenarios. There's the Disaster Scenario that
      abductees keep talking about over and over again. We've had this for years
      and years. I don't quite know how that's going to happen. Whether there's
      going to be a disaster or not. There's a scenario where they just sort of
      naturally and nicely integrate into this society and we never even know it's
      happening. I guess there's things in the middle. We don't really know how
      what the aliens and abductees call "The Change," is going to take place. We
      don't really know that quite yet.
      Casteel: But they're given visions like the world on fire or natural
      disasters, that kind of thing?
      Jacobs: Yeah, well, it's all sorts of disaster scenarios, which includes
      atomic war. It includes asteroids hitting the earth. It includes floods,
      plagues, famine, whatever. It's sort of a generalized disaster and you just
      fill in the blanks as to what kind of disaster it will be. It's really
      non-specific, although people report more atomic war or the earth cracking
      in half or being destroyed by a comet or something like that more than other
      things, I guess.
      I don't think the specifics are all that important, but the idea of a
      disaster is the most important thing. But I don't know whether that's true
      or not. We really don't know that yet because it might be a very different
      scenario. But I'm certainly going to stick by my guns and say that this is
      an integration program. However it's worked out, they will be integrating
      into this society and that's what this is leading to.
      As I say about all my books, there's no possibility, Sean, that I have
      avoided error. I'm going to be wrong somewhere, somehow, in God knows how
      many things. But I think that this hypothesis that I'm presenting here is
      supportable by the evidence. And that's what makes it more disturbing.
      Everything I've written in this book is evidence-driven. That's why it's
      such a difficult book to deal with
      Casteel: Well, it's like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers," where you end up
      mouthing the words, "It's better this way. We have no pain now."
      Jacobs: You are exactly right. I've thought about that, too. And of course
      one of the things I've been criticized for is because it has such a
      science-fiction quality to it. And then people say, "Therefore it is
      science-fiction." People have picked it up in the culture and that's why I'm
      hearing this. What they do is they make the mistake by finding similarities
      and saying that the similarities are in fact equalities. Which, of course,
      they are not. The fact is though is that it does have what they call
      "Programmatic Content." It does have content whereby we can see the inner
      workings of what they're doing and what's happening. And there are parallels
      in science-fiction, and certainly one of them is "Invasion of the Body
      Snatchers." That is in fact one of the parallels we see. But there's a lot
      of other parallels in science-fiction also. And if you look hard enough,
      you're going to be able to find a bit and a piece of it here and there and
      everywhere. But I don't think that this is science-fiction.
      You've got to remember that most abductees are really not much into
      science-fiction. Most people I work with say they don't follow
      science-fiction. They haven't seen those movies. They don't know about that
      kind of stuff. It's not something where it just pervades the society. As
      people try to tell me, "Well, it's just sort of everywhere." Well, it isn't
      exactly like that. You've got to remember that the abduction phenomenon,
      while similar to science-fiction here and there, is really very different in
      almost all of its areas. It really is a different kind of situation, as you
      know.
      And of course you have situations where people see other people being
      abducted and people are physically missing from their normal environment.
      There's a strong physical component to it that's very tough to explain.
      Casteel: One thing I thought was interesting was the way you went over the
      varying degrees of hybrids. Varying percentages of human versus alien
      combinations.
      Jacobs: Yeah, I tried to put forward a new concept of hybridization. One
      that makes more sense and one that's more in line with the evidence as it's
      presented by the abductees.
      Casteel: Like subtle degrees between the various kinds?
      Jacobs: Right. And you know, it does make sense that way. It answers a lot
      of things. It makes sense primarily because abductees have been saying this.
      So I was able to divide it into sort of like late stage, middle stage, and
      early stage hybrids. But one of the interesting things about this
      phenomenon, Sean, is that you know I talked about toddlers and what kind of
      toys they played with and young children and what they play with. And I even
      had some sort of "widget" that the adolescents tinkered with. Remember?
      There was that one sequence where he had a box and he had to press certain
      things and if he pressed them the right way there was a flash. Remember
      that?
      Casteel: Yeah, like an alien Nintendo or something?
      Jacobs: Right. But in terms of toys, we basically know quite a lot about
      alien toys, about kids' toys, and all that. And the hybrids and what they
      do. I spent a lot of time on hybrid children. If this were psychological, I
      couldn't do that. We wouldn't be able to describe certain toys that they
      used that other people have described as well. We're learning so much about
      this phenomenon, it's just extraordinary. And yet everything we learn points
      in the direction of the integration program.
      Remember I talked about this one woman who was involved in this sort of
      learning situation in which she was standing in front of a class of hybrids.
      And a picture of a dog came down.
      Casteel: Right, and she was supposed to explain all the earthly things.
      Jacobs: And she was asked "What's a dog for?" And she said, "Well, you know,
      it's a companion" and all that. But see, that points to integration into the
      society. Everything points to it. This concern, this interest in earth
      things. I don't think it's just sort of "interest." I think they're
      interested in it for a reason. The interesting thing here is they're not
      saying, "How do you elect a president?" "What do you do Saturday night?" and
      things like that. They're not interested in politics, economics, culture,
      society. That they're not concerned with. And we almost never, never get
      questions about that. But if this were psychological, we would be getting
      questions like that. But they're interested in physiology, they're
      interested in anatomy, they're interested in the natural world, the
      environment, animals, things like that. Things that are not man-made
      necessarily. As if in the future, it's not going to matter what we have
      built. The only thing that's going to matter is what they do. That's one way
      of looking at it.
      But it's disconcerting. You want them to ask questions about Clinton, you
      know, and things like that. Something where you can see they really are
      learning about society, but in fact, if they integrate into this society,
      there's going to be an overlay of their society. And ours isn't going to
      matter a whole lot. That's my interpretation. Now I might be awfully wrong
      about that, but it certainly is my interpretation of it.

      Casteel: Well, given the inevitability of it all, you just kind of want to
      hang on to some kind of shred of hope that it'll be a good thing somehow.
      Jacobs: Well, the one hope I have right now is not much of a hope. But the
      hope that I have right now is the fact that it's still secret. That is to
      say that as long as it's still secret, they must assume that they are still
      vulnerable and therefore there's a way that we can affect the program.
      That's not a whole lot to hang on to, for me. But you know I despair that
      the scientific community is going to realize the import of what's happening
      in front of them. I think that even if they do, there's so much water under
      the bridge and we're so far down the line with this that indeed it may make
      no difference. Maybe 30 or 40 years ago it might have made a difference, but
      I'm looking to the future where I just don't see the scientific community
      getting interested in this subject. It hasn't happened in the past, and
      failing some sort of sudden event, some sort of sudden revelation, some sort
      of incredible thing, "Clinton Exposed As Alien Himself," or something like
      that, I just don't see them becoming interested in it. They've had half a
      century of the ability to have that interest and have not utilized it.
      I don't like what I'm seeing here. I've spent my entire adult life studying
      this subject intensely. Year after year. I have a professional degree with a
      Ph.D. in the subject and I teach the only course in the country on the
      subject, the only regularly scheduled, full credit course in the country,
      which I've taught for 19 years. I've written three books on the subject and
      and many articles. And I've never really felt the despair I feel now that I
      think that we've broken it open and we're looking at it and examining it.
      And it's just not what I expected. It's not what anybody expected. I just
      wish it was not that way. I just don't like it.
      However, this is one of those situations where you can despair of it--you
      can feel Oh, my God, this is awful--but you have to lead your life as though
      it's not happening. It's the only way you can get along. It's the way I get
      along. And I've got two kids, you know. So I look at them and I look at the
      book and I don't know what kind of future they're going to have. That's
      true. I really don't. That wasn't just words. This is of great concern to
      me. I really don't know what kind of future they're going to have.
      Casteel: Well, again, I guess the one ray of hope is the possibility that it
      won't be a cruel form of oppression to live under them.
      Jacobs: Well, that certainly might be possible. I don't think it's going to
      be a cruel form of oppression. I just think it's going to be very different
      and not to our liking. I don't see an oppressive situation necessarily. I
      don't think that we're going to be whipped like a slave in a galley on a
      Viking ship or something like that. But at the same time, I do not see the
      freedom of movement and action and activity that we have now. Individual
      freedom and freedom of thought and all that to be the same in the future as
      it is now.
      You've got to remember these beings are telepathic beings. They tap right
      into your thoughts. I don't want anybody tapping into my thoughts. When I
      was down in Brazil earlier I gave a paper on what it's like to live in a
      telepathic society based on abductees' testimony about the society that the
      aliens live in and the kind of telepathy that the abductees experience. And
      Sean, you don't want that society. You want to be private. You want to keep
      your thoughts private. You want to have individual expression, individual
      thoughts. You want to be able to do what you want to do without anybody
      knowing. And in their society, that's not necessarily true. It's a different
      kind of society.
      So, is alien integration into Earth's society already a given? Will we lose
      many of the freedoms we currently enjoy to the superior capabilities of the
      aliens and the hybrid offspring that are also a part of us?
      The old truism "Only Time Will Tell" seems operative here, as it does with
      so much of the UFO mystery. And in the words of rock singer Tom Petty, "The
      Waiting Is The Hardest Part."
      THE END




      >From: "leda_romero" <leda_romero@...>
      >Reply-To: darkufo@yahoogroups.com
      >To: darkufo@yahoogroups.com
      >Subject: [DarkUFO] MyView
      >Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 02:45:35 -0000
      >
      >halleluia! m not alone. m from d philippines, a so religious contry.
      >i was enlightened about the truth eight years ago. m into asking
      >questions n finding d answers myself and alas, i found it. my latest
      >opinion is that we shouldnt be too angry with the government for the
      >secrecies and cover ups. WE COULDNT BLAME THEM. i have a theory: in
      >tunguska there crashed a ufo then the russians got hold of it. d
      >americans found out about it then said: oh, shit. they have ultra
      >mega advanced technology. they will soon bomb us and rule the planet.
      >we cant allow that! hey, there r ufo sightings in roswell. we should
      >get our own and not b left behind. bang! they shot one down. they r
      >so bad. but come to think of it. its for our own good. it is human
      >nature to conquer each other. we cant let yevgeny kafelnikov bomb us.
      >so thats why we always hear the line: for national security. so the
      >bottom lines is we give the government a break. although m on
      >binladens side. quote from true lies: you bomb our cities and rape
      >our women then you dare call us terrorist!
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    • uwrk
      I agree the coverup is for a good reason and it is futile to oppose it, but I don t buy your theory. There is no evidence that an ET craft came down in 1908.
      Message 2 of 19 , May 1, 2002
        I agree the coverup is for a good reason and it is futile to oppose
        it, but I don't buy your theory. There is no evidence that an ET
        craft came down in 1908. Even if one did, the explosion was so great
        it probably would have vaporized any ET technology. Obviously the
        Russians were not technically ahead of the West in the years after
        1908. The Roswell crash was deliberate, intended to contact the
        government covertly i.e. without frightening it, as an intact landing
        might have.--- In darkufo@y..., "leda_romero" <leda_romero@y...>
        wrote:
        > halleluia! m not alone. m from d philippines, a so religious
        contry.
        > i was enlightened about the truth eight years ago. m into asking
        > questions n finding d answers myself and alas, i found it. my
        latest
        > opinion is that we shouldnt be too angry with the government for
        the
        > secrecies and cover ups. WE COULDNT BLAME THEM. i have a theory: in
        > tunguska there crashed a ufo then the russians got hold of it. d
        > americans found out about it then said: oh, shit. they have ultra
        > mega advanced technology. they will soon bomb us and rule the
        planet.
        > we cant allow that! hey, there r ufo sightings in roswell. we
        should
        > get our own and not b left behind. bang! they shot one down. they r
        > so bad. but come to think of it. its for our own good. it is human
        > nature to conquer each other. we cant let yevgeny kafelnikov bomb
        us.
        > so thats why we always hear the line: for national security. so the
        > bottom lines is we give the government a break. although m on
        > binladens side. quote from true lies: you bomb our cities and rape
        > our women then you dare call us terrorist!
      • unidentified30339
        Curious, why do you think the roswell craft was trying to contact the goverment...i have little knowledge about the subject being a newfound beleiver since a
        Message 3 of 19 , May 1, 2002
          Curious, why do you think the roswell craft was trying to contact the
          goverment...i have little knowledge about the subject being a
          newfound beleiver since a movie i recently saw. But reading your
          posts it sounds as if the government it self is not only trying to
          cover it uo for our own safety benefits, but to surpress our ability
          to think at free will.

          --- In darkufo@y..., uwrk <no_reply@y...> wrote:
          > I agree the coverup is for a good reason and it is futile to oppose
          > it, but I don't buy your theory. There is no evidence that an ET
          > craft came down in 1908. Even if one did, the explosion was so
          great
          > it probably would have vaporized any ET technology. Obviously the
          > Russians were not technically ahead of the West in the years after
          > 1908. The Roswell crash was deliberate, intended to contact the
          > government covertly i.e. without frightening it, as an intact
          landing
          > might have.--- In darkufo@y..., "leda_romero" <leda_romero@y...>
          > wrote:
          > > halleluia! m not alone. m from d philippines, a so religious
          > contry.
          > > i was enlightened about the truth eight years ago. m into asking
          > > questions n finding d answers myself and alas, i found it. my
          > latest
          > > opinion is that we shouldnt be too angry with the government for
          > the
          > > secrecies and cover ups. WE COULDNT BLAME THEM. i have a theory:
          in
          > > tunguska there crashed a ufo then the russians got hold of it. d
          > > americans found out about it then said: oh, shit. they have ultra
          > > mega advanced technology. they will soon bomb us and rule the
          > planet.
          > > we cant allow that! hey, there r ufo sightings in roswell. we
          > should
          > > get our own and not b left behind. bang! they shot one down. they
          r
          > > so bad. but come to think of it. its for our own good. it is
          human
          > > nature to conquer each other. we cant let yevgeny kafelnikov bomb
          > us.
          > > so thats why we always hear the line: for national security. so
          the
          > > bottom lines is we give the government a break. although m on
          > > binladens side. quote from true lies: you bomb our cities and
          rape
          > > our women then you dare call us terrorist!
        • john collins
          ... this country but not the black govt. that runs it. please !!!!do more reasurach b4 sending any more crap my way...the truth is out there. now go finde
          Message 4 of 19 , May 1, 2002
            --- unidentified30339 <unidentified30339@...>
            wrote:
            > Curious, why do you think the roswell craft was
            > trying to contact the
            > goverment...i have little knowledge about the
            > subject being a
            > newfound beleiver since a movie i recently saw. But
            > reading your
            > posts it sounds as if the government it self is not
            > only trying to
            > cover it uo for our own safety benefits, but to
            > surpress our ability
            > to think at free will.
            >
            > --- In darkufo@y..., uwrk <no_reply@y...> wrote:
            > > I agree the coverup is for a good reason and it is
            > futile to oppose
            > > it, but I don't buy your theory. There is no
            > evidence that an ET
            > > craft came down in 1908. Even if one did, the
            > explosion was so
            > great
            > > it probably would have vaporized any ET
            > technology. Obviously the
            > > Russians were not technically ahead of the West in
            > the years after
            > > 1908. The Roswell crash was deliberate, intended
            > to contact the
            > > government covertly i.e. without frightening it,
            > as an intact
            > landing
            > > might have.--- In darkufo@y..., "leda_romero"
            > <leda_romero@y...>
            > > wrote:
            > > > halleluia! m not alone. m from d philippines, a
            > so religious
            > > contry.
            > > > i was enlightened about the truth eight years
            > ago. m into asking
            > > > questions n finding d answers myself and alas, i
            > found it. my
            > > latest
            > > > opinion is that we shouldnt be too angry with
            > the government for
            > > the
            > > > secrecies and cover ups. WE COULDNT BLAME THEM.
            > i have a theory:
            > in
            > > > tunguska there crashed a ufo then the russians
            > got hold of it. d
            > > > americans found out about it then said: oh,
            > shit. they have ultra
            > > > mega advanced technology. they will soon bomb us
            > and rule the
            > > planet.
            > > > we cant allow that! hey, there r ufo sightings
            > in roswell. we
            > > should
            > > > get our own and not b left behind. bang! they
            > shot one down. they
            > r
            > > > so bad. but come to think of it. its for our own
            > good. it is
            > human
            > > > nature to conquer each other. we cant let
            > yevgeny kafelnikov bomb
            > > us.
            > > > so thats why we always hear the line: for
            > national security. so
            > the
            > > > bottom lines is we give the government a break.
            > although m on
            > > > binladens side. quote from true lies: you bomb
            > our cities and
            > rape
            > > > our women then you dare call us terrorist!
            >
            >hellow everyone!!!wake up&smell the coffee!! ilove
            this country but not the black govt. that runs it.
            please !!!!do more reasurach b4 sending any more crap
            my way...the truth is out there. now go finde it...
            one who knows way to much.,but cant spell for crap.


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          • uwrk
            The motivation for the coverup is preservation of the ideological and institutional status quo, which would be seriously jeopardized by disclosure. Did you see
            Message 5 of 19 , May 2, 2002
              The motivation for the coverup is preservation of the ideological and
              institutional status quo, which would be seriously jeopardized by
              disclosure. Did you see the Aliens Deliberately crashed essay?-I
              think I put it in the links here. Read it carefully and it'll answer
              your questions.--- In darkufo@y..., "unidentified30339"
              <unidentified30339@y...> wrote:
              > Curious, why do you think the roswell craft was trying to contact
              the
              > goverment...i have little knowledge about the subject being a
              > newfound beleiver since a movie i recently saw. But reading your
              > posts it sounds as if the government it self is not only trying to
              > cover it uo for our own safety benefits, but to surpress our
              ability
              > to think at free will.
              >
              > --- In darkufo@y..., uwrk <no_reply@y...> wrote:
              > > I agree the coverup is for a good reason and it is futile to
              oppose
              > > it, but I don't buy your theory. There is no evidence that an ET
              > > craft came down in 1908. Even if one did, the explosion was so
              > great
              > > it probably would have vaporized any ET technology. Obviously the
              > > Russians were not technically ahead of the West in the years
              after
              > > 1908. The Roswell crash was deliberate, intended to contact the
              > > government covertly i.e. without frightening it, as an intact
              > landing
              > > might have.--- In darkufo@y..., "leda_romero" <leda_romero@y...>
              > > wrote:
              > > > halleluia! m not alone. m from d philippines, a so religious
              > > contry.
              > > > i was enlightened about the truth eight years ago. m into
              asking
              > > > questions n finding d answers myself and alas, i found it. my
              > > latest
              > > > opinion is that we shouldnt be too angry with the government
              for
              > > the
              > > > secrecies and cover ups. WE COULDNT BLAME THEM. i have a
              theory:
              > in
              > > > tunguska there crashed a ufo then the russians got hold of it.
              d
              > > > americans found out about it then said: oh, shit. they have
              ultra
              > > > mega advanced technology. they will soon bomb us and rule the
              > > planet.
              > > > we cant allow that! hey, there r ufo sightings in roswell. we
              > > should
              > > > get our own and not b left behind. bang! they shot one down.
              they
              > r
              > > > so bad. but come to think of it. its for our own good. it is
              > human
              > > > nature to conquer each other. we cant let yevgeny kafelnikov
              bomb
              > > us.
              > > > so thats why we always hear the line: for national security. so
              > the
              > > > bottom lines is we give the government a break. although m on
              > > > binladens side. quote from true lies: you bomb our cities and
              > rape
              > > > our women then you dare call us terrorist!
            • Mike Menkin
              Here s what is really going on. an interview with Dave Jacobs Q. And A. With David Jacobs On The Threat By Sean Casteel Temple University professor David
              Message 6 of 19 , May 2, 2002
                Here's what is really going on. an interview with Dave Jacobs

                Q. And A. With David Jacobs On "The Threat"
                By Sean Casteel
                Temple University professor David Jacobs, Ph.D., the author of the highly
                regarded books "The UFO Controversy In America" and "Secret Life," has spent
                more than 30 years researching UFOs and alien abduction. But it was only
                recently that he came to feel he had solved the mystery to his own
                satisfaction. The solutions he arrived at are the subject of his third book,
                "The Threat: What The Aliens Really Want And How They Plan To Get It" (Simon
                and Schuster, 1998).
                Finding what he believes to be the answers was not a happy event for Jacobs.
                He told us recently that he now approaches the subject with an attitude of
                dread and deep concern about the future of humanity and the planet we call
                home.
                Casteel: What do the aliens really want?
                Jacobs: Well, you know, the ultimate question I think to ask for the UFO
                phenomenon is "Just what the hell do you think they're here for?" That's the
                question that I've tried to address in this book--what is this all about?
                What is happening here? Why is this happening? Why are people saying that
                these events are happening? So what I've done then is try to answer those
                questions as best I can by using as much information as I can from eleven
                years of fairly intensive research into abductions.
                And what I've been able to find is that this is a program. They're not here
                just because they're examining people, or studying people, or experimenting
                on people. I don't know, Sean, if you remember I gave a talk about that in
                Los Angeles when I saw you. So they're not here to sort of "examine" us in
                some way. They're here on a mission. They're here with a goal in mind.
                They've got a program, and it's a program with a beginning, a middle and an
                end. It's a program that is goal-directed and I think we're entering into
                sort of the end-phase of this program. I think that we're moving towards the
                end of this.
                And the program ultimately is not abducting people. Abductions, you have to
                remember, are a means to an end. They're abducting people for a purpose, for
                a reason. The physical act of abducting people, which is the abduction
                phenomenon, really is only part of the program. So what I've done is kind of
                divided it into component parts and fleshed it out a lot more. So what we
                have here is an abduction program, a breeding program, which accounts for
                all the reproductive activity that we see, and a hybridization program,
                which is why people see hybrids all the time--as babies, as toddlers, as
                adolescents, and then as adults.
                And then, finally, I think all this is leading to an integration program in
                which ultimately these hybrids, who look very human, will be integrating
                into this society. And who will eventually, I assume, be in control here
                because they do have superior technology and superior physiological
                abilities that we do not have. We would therefore be sort of second-class
                citizens, I think.

                Now, I find this to be very disturbing. And the interesting thing is that I
                don't really see other scenarios. I know that people feel it's positive and
                it's wonderful, and all the rest of that. And they're here to help us. But
                in the cases that I've investigated, very carefully, very thoroughly, for a
                very long time, I have not had people discuss that. When people discuss the
                future, generally speaking, they are discussing this integration program
                that they're confronting, and we're all confronting. I've been involved with
                UFO research for about 32 years now, since about 1965, and I have never been
                downcast or depressed about the phenomenon. I have never been pessimistic
                about it. I've always been filled with wonder and awe and amazement at it.
                I've been enthusiastic and optimistic about it.
                But I must say that now that I've learned as much as I have learned, and I
                think I've learned an awful lot, I am very, very unsettled and upset by what
                I see. I don't like what I see. I wish I didn't see this. I wish I hadn't
                uncovered this. I despair of it. It's thrown me into a tremendous sense of
                concern about the future and unease. I just don't like it very much. I wish
                I did. I don't want to be this way. I don't want to be the bearer of bad
                news. I could not have ever imagined that I would come to this position.
                What I'm seeing now, what I've found with the phenomenon, I could never have
                imagined.
                Now, though, I am persuaded by the evidence. I think that we are looking at
                a very serious business happening in front of us. As you know, the UFO and
                abduction phenomena is very, very widespread. And people have seen tens of
                thousands, hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of UFOs around the world
                for a long time now, at least through the 20th Century, and certainly since
                1947, and before that as well. It means that the amount of time and energy
                put into this program is really quite enormous. This means that it has a
                tremendous amount of importance to these beings.
                And there's another aspect to it also that is disconcerting. It's a secret
                phenomenon. They don't want us to know what they're doing. They don't want
                us to interfere. This is a consciously-arrived-at and successful secrecy
                programt to prevent us from knowing. Gosh, that makes me very uneasy, Sean.
                So anyway, I've become depressed about the whole thing.
                Casteel: So the reason for all this negative feeling and depression is
                because you feel that you and I and people who are natural human beings will
                somehow be subject to a higher form of oppression?
                Jacobs: Of authority, right. I do think that something like is going to
                happen. The way I look at is, I have one scenario which I like. All the rest
                of them I don't like. The one scenario which I do like is that one day, they
                will come to the abductees and say, "Our program is done now. We have
                accomplished our goal. We've taken what we need. Thank you so much for your
                help. Thank you so much for your cooperation. We'll be leaving now. You'll
                never know we were even there. People will wonder forever whether they were
                abducted or not. Now, goodbye and good night." That's my favorite scenario.
                I love that scenario. But in fact, we never hear that. We always hear a
                scenario about the future in which these beings say they're going to be here
                with us.

                And everything is going to be wonderful. Everything is going to be great.
                It's going to be just delightful. We're going to like it, they're going to
                like it, everybody's going to like it. That's the future according to them,
                but when I take a look at their society, and when I take a look at a future
                in which they would be in control because of their superior technology and
                physiological abilities, I see a very, very different society than the kind
                that we live in now--a society that's far more restricted and far more
                controlled. The whole concept of individual freedom in this kind of society
                would be under serious question. I don't like that. I don't want it. I would
                rather have human beings make their own mistakes and fix their own problems
                and do things by themselves. I think we're perfectly capable of doing it. I
                think we can all live together into a happy future. I think that's within
                the realm of possibility.
                Casteel:So they paint a Utopian picture of what's going to happen?
                Jacobs: Well, they paint a picture of what they consider to be good for
                themselves. And they live in a controlled society. They live in a society
                where everybody knows his or her job. They live in a society where
                everything is controlled. The ability for people to act independently is
                very, very circumscribed in this kind of society that they live in. I just
                don't like it. I'm filled with apprehension over this. Now the key thing
                here is they are here for a reason. They are not studying or experimenting
                on us, and they're keeping their activities secret from us so we won't find
                out.
                Casteel: That's what you were saying at the lecture, that they were way
                beyond the experimental stage.
                Jacobs: Right. In fact, that was the title of the lecture "Is this an
                experiment or a program?" You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see
                what's going on. This doesn't look like an experiment to me, you know. It's
                been worldwide with millions of people for 50 years. Day in, day out, 24
                hours a day. What kind of an experiment is that? And there are a lot of
                other reasons why it's not an experiment.
                So it's disconcerting. And I never used to think this until I began to put
                it together--until I began to come to these conclusions and realize I think
                this is what it is. I think that in the book, basically, I've advanced
                hypotheses which might very well essentially be what this UFO phenomenon is
                all about. This is not the final aspect of studying this phenomenon, but I
                do think that I've fleshed out what the goals and purposes are. We're not
                exactly sure of all the "whys." Why they would want to do it in the first
                place? What's the point? We don't really know that. But I think this is
                certainly a hypothetical answer to the UFO puzzle. I think pretty much we've
                answered it.
                That's what we're looking at. And therefore I think we're looking at a very
                difficult future.
                Casteel:So the "how-they-plan-to-get-it" part would be through the breeding
                and hybridization programs?
                Jacobs: Yeah, but how it's going to be played out, I don't really know.
                There's a lot of different scenarios. There's the Disaster Scenario that
                abductees keep talking about over and over again. We've had this for years
                and years. I don't quite know how that's going to happen. Whether there's
                going to be a disaster or not. There's a scenario where they just sort of
                naturally and nicely integrate into this society and we never even know it's
                happening. I guess there's things in the middle. We don't really know how
                what the aliens and abductees call "The Change," is going to take place. We
                don't really know that quite yet.
                Casteel: But they're given visions like the world on fire or natural
                disasters, that kind of thing?
                Jacobs: Yeah, well, it's all sorts of disaster scenarios, which includes
                atomic war. It includes asteroids hitting the earth. It includes floods,
                plagues, famine, whatever. It's sort of a generalized disaster and you just
                fill in the blanks as to what kind of disaster it will be. It's really
                non-specific, although people report more atomic war or the earth cracking
                in half or being destroyed by a comet or something like that more than other
                things, I guess.
                I don't think the specifics are all that important, but the idea of a
                disaster is the most important thing. But I don't know whether that's true
                or not. We really don't know that yet because it might be a very different
                scenario. But I'm certainly going to stick by my guns and say that this is
                an integration program. However it's worked out, they will be integrating
                into this society and that's what this is leading to.
                As I say about all my books, there's no possibility, Sean, that I have
                avoided error. I'm going to be wrong somewhere, somehow, in God knows how
                many things. But I think that this hypothesis that I'm presenting here is
                supportable by the evidence. And that's what makes it more disturbing.
                Everything I've written in this book is evidence-driven. That's why it's
                such a difficult book to deal with
                Casteel: Well, it's like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers," where you end up
                mouthing the words, "It's better this way. We have no pain now."
                Jacobs: You are exactly right. I've thought about that, too. And of course
                one of the things I've been criticized for is because it has such a
                science-fiction quality to it. And then people say, "Therefore it is
                science-fiction." People have picked it up in the culture and that's why I'm
                hearing this. What they do is they make the mistake by finding similarities
                and saying that the similarities are in fact equalities. Which, of course,
                they are not. The fact is though is that it does have what they call
                "Programmatic Content." It does have content whereby we can see the inner
                workings of what they're doing and what's happening. And there are parallels
                in science-fiction, and certainly one of them is "Invasion of the Body
                Snatchers." That is in fact one of the parallels we see. But there's a lot
                of other parallels in science-fiction also. And if you look hard enough,
                you're going to be able to find a bit and a piece of it here and there and
                everywhere. But I don't think that this is science-fiction.
                You've got to remember that most abductees are really not much into
                science-fiction. Most people I work with say they don't follow
                science-fiction. They haven't seen those movies. They don't know about that
                kind of stuff. It's not something where it just pervades the society. As
                people try to tell me, "Well, it's just sort of everywhere." Well, it isn't
                exactly like that. You've got to remember that the abduction phenomenon,
                while similar to science-fiction here and there, is really very different in
                almost all of its areas. It really is a different kind of situation, as you
                know.
                And of course you have situations where people see other people being
                abducted and people are physically missing from their normal environment.
                There's a strong physical component to it that's very tough to explain.
                Casteel: One thing I thought was interesting was the way you went over the
                varying degrees of hybrids. Varying percentages of human versus alien
                combinations.
                Jacobs: Yeah, I tried to put forward a new concept of hybridization. One
                that makes more sense and one that's more in line with the evidence as it's
                presented by the abductees.
                Casteel: Like subtle degrees between the various kinds?
                Jacobs: Right. And you know, it does make sense that way. It answers a lot
                of things. It makes sense primarily because abductees have been saying this.
                So I was able to divide it into sort of like late stage, middle stage, and
                early stage hybrids. But one of the interesting things about this
                phenomenon, Sean, is that you know I talked about toddlers and what kind of
                toys they played with and young children and what they play with. And I even
                had some sort of "widget" that the adolescents tinkered with. Remember?
                There was that one sequence where he had a box and he had to press certain
                things and if he pressed them the right way there was a flash. Remember
                that?
                Casteel: Yeah, like an alien Nintendo or something?
                Jacobs: Right. But in terms of toys, we basically know quite a lot about
                alien toys, about kids' toys, and all that. And the hybrids and what they
                do. I spent a lot of time on hybrid children. If this were psychological, I
                couldn't do that. We wouldn't be able to describe certain toys that they
                used that other people have described as well. We're learning so much about
                this phenomenon, it's just extraordinary. And yet everything we learn points
                in the direction of the integration program.
                Remember I talked about this one woman who was involved in this sort of
                learning situation in which she was standing in front of a class of hybrids.
                And a picture of a dog came down.
                Casteel: Right, and she was supposed to explain all the earthly things.
                Jacobs: And she was asked "What's a dog for?" And she said, "Well, you know,
                it's a companion" and all that. But see, that points to integration into the
                society. Everything points to it. This concern, this interest in earth
                things. I don't think it's just sort of "interest." I think they're
                interested in it for a reason. The interesting thing here is they're not
                saying, "How do you elect a president?" "What do you do Saturday night?" and
                things like that. They're not interested in politics, economics, culture,
                society. That they're not concerned with. And we almost never, never get
                questions about that. But if this were psychological, we would be getting
                questions like that. But they're interested in physiology, they're
                interested in anatomy, they're interested in the natural world, the
                environment, animals, things like that. Things that are not man-made
                necessarily. As if in the future, it's not going to matter what we have
                built. The only thing that's going to matter is what they do. That's one way
                of looking at it.
                But it's disconcerting. You want them to ask questions about Clinton, you
                know, and things like that. Something where you can see they really are
                learning about society, but in fact, if they integrate into this society,
                there's going to be an overlay of their society. And ours isn't going to
                matter a whole lot. That's my interpretation. Now I might be awfully wrong
                about that, but it certainly is my interpretation of it.

                Casteel: Well, given the inevitability of it all, you just kind of want to
                hang on to some kind of shred of hope that it'll be a good thing somehow.
                Jacobs: Well, the one hope I have right now is not much of a hope. But the
                hope that I have right now is the fact that it's still secret. That is to
                say that as long as it's still secret, they must assume that they are still
                vulnerable and therefore there's a way that we can affect the program.
                That's not a whole lot to hang on to, for me. But you know I despair that
                the scientific community is going to realize the import of what's happening
                in front of them. I think that even if they do, there's so much water under
                the bridge and we're so far down the line with this that indeed it may make
                no difference. Maybe 30 or 40 years ago it might have made a difference, but
                I'm looking to the future where I just don't see the scientific community
                getting interested in this subject. It hasn't happened in the past, and
                failing some sort of sudden event, some sort of sudden revelation, some sort
                of incredible thing, "Clinton Exposed As Alien Himself," or something like
                that, I just don't see them becoming interested in it. They've had half a
                century of the ability to have that interest and have not utilized it.
                I don't like what I'm seeing here. I've spent my entire adult life studying
                this subject intensely. Year after year. I have a professional degree with a
                Ph.D. in the subject and I teach the only course in the country on the
                subject, the only regularly scheduled, full credit course in the country,
                which I've taught for 19 years. I've written three books on the subject and
                and many articles. And I've never really felt the despair I feel now that I
                think that we've broken it open and we're looking at it and examining it.
                And it's just not what I expected. It's not what anybody expected. I just
                wish it was not that way. I just don't like it.
                However, this is one of those situations where you can despair of it--you
                can feel Oh, my God, this is awful--but you have to lead your life as though
                it's not happening. It's the only way you can get along. It's the way I get
                along. And I've got two kids, you know. So I look at them and I look at the
                book and I don't know what kind of future they're going to have. That's
                true. I really don't. That wasn't just words. This is of great concern to
                me. I really don't know what kind of future they're going to have.
                Casteel: Well, again, I guess the one ray of hope is the possibility that it
                won't be a cruel form of oppression to live under them.
                Jacobs: Well, that certainly might be possible. I don't think it's going to
                be a cruel form of oppression. I just think it's going to be very different
                and not to our liking. I don't see an oppressive situation necessarily. I
                don't think that we're going to be whipped like a slave in a galley on a
                Viking ship or something like that. But at the same time, I do not see the
                freedom of movement and action and activity that we have now. Individual
                freedom and freedom of thought and all that to be the same in the future as
                it is now.
                You've got to remember these beings are telepathic beings. They tap right
                into your thoughts. I don't want anybody tapping into my thoughts. When I
                was down in Brazil earlier I gave a paper on what it's like to live in a
                telepathic society based on abductees' testimony about the society that the
                aliens live in and the kind of telepathy that the abductees experience. And
                Sean, you don't want that society. You want to be private. You want to keep
                your thoughts private. You want to have individual expression, individual
                thoughts. You want to be able to do what you want to do without anybody
                knowing. And in their society, that's not necessarily true. It's a different
                kind of society.
                So, is alien integration into Earth's society already a given? Will we lose
                many of the freedoms we currently enjoy to the superior capabilities of the
                aliens and the hybrid offspring that are also a part of us?
                The old truism "Only Time Will Tell" seems operative here, as it does with
                so much of the UFO mystery. And in the words of rock singer Tom Petty, "The
                Waiting Is The Hardest Part."
                THE END

                There are now available videos taken from the Space Shuttle of alien
                spacecraft traveling in our atmosphere. their estimated speed in our
                atmosphere is 100,000 miles per hour. Except for the thought screen
                helmet, we are totally powerless to do anything about the alien presence.

                Michael Menkin


                >From: uwrk <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
                >Reply-To: darkufo@yahoogroups.com
                >To: darkufo@yahoogroups.com
                >Subject: [DarkUFO] Re: MyView
                >Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 16:17:31 -0000
                >
                >The motivation for the coverup is preservation of the ideological and
                >institutional status quo, which would be seriously jeopardized by
                >disclosure. Did you see the Aliens Deliberately crashed essay?-I
                >think I put it in the links here. Read it carefully and it'll answer
                >your questions.--- In darkufo@y..., "unidentified30339"
                ><unidentified30339@y...> wrote:
                > > Curious, why do you think the roswell craft was trying to contact
                >the
                > > goverment...i have little knowledge about the subject being a
                > > newfound beleiver since a movie i recently saw. But reading your
                > > posts it sounds as if the government it self is not only trying to
                > > cover it uo for our own safety benefits, but to surpress our
                >ability
                > > to think at free will.
                > >
                > > --- In darkufo@y..., uwrk <no_reply@y...> wrote:
                > > > I agree the coverup is for a good reason and it is futile to
                >oppose
                > > > it, but I don't buy your theory. There is no evidence that an ET
                > > > craft came down in 1908. Even if one did, the explosion was so
                > > great
                > > > it probably would have vaporized any ET technology. Obviously the
                > > > Russians were not technically ahead of the West in the years
                >after
                > > > 1908. The Roswell crash was deliberate, intended to contact the
                > > > government covertly i.e. without frightening it, as an intact
                > > landing
                > > > might have.--- In darkufo@y..., "leda_romero" <leda_romero@y...>
                > > > wrote:
                > > > > halleluia! m not alone. m from d philippines, a so religious
                > > > contry.
                > > > > i was enlightened about the truth eight years ago. m into
                >asking
                > > > > questions n finding d answers myself and alas, i found it. my
                > > > latest
                > > > > opinion is that we shouldnt be too angry with the government
                >for
                > > > the
                > > > > secrecies and cover ups. WE COULDNT BLAME THEM. i have a
                >theory:
                > > in
                > > > > tunguska there crashed a ufo then the russians got hold of it.
                >d
                > > > > americans found out about it then said: oh, shit. they have
                >ultra
                > > > > mega advanced technology. they will soon bomb us and rule the
                > > > planet.
                > > > > we cant allow that! hey, there r ufo sightings in roswell. we
                > > > should
                > > > > get our own and not b left behind. bang! they shot one down.
                >they
                > > r
                > > > > so bad. but come to think of it. its for our own good. it is
                > > human
                > > > > nature to conquer each other. we cant let yevgeny kafelnikov
                >bomb
                > > > us.
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                I read The Threat and am in full agreement that the culmination of the alien plan will witness a major dimunition of the freedoms people have now. But I m
                Message 7 of 19 , May 3, 2002
                  I read "The Threat" and am in full agreement that the culmination of
                  the alien plan will witness a major dimunition of the "freedoms"
                  people have now. But I'm suspicious of Jacobs. His apparent rejection
                  of Roswell and the coverup is wrong IMHO, and even suggestive of
                  collaboration with the government on disinformation schemes like C.
                  Brown and Corso. Nor is abduction and hybridization all there is to
                  the alien plan, if it is really important at all-I see no evidence of
                  a hybrid takeover even years after Jacobs wrote that the final stage
                  is near.--- In darkufo@y..., "Mike Menkin" <mmenkin@h...> wrote:
                  > Here's what is really going on. an interview with Dave Jacobs
                  >
                  > Q. And A. With David Jacobs On "The Threat"
                  > By Sean Casteel
                  > Temple University professor David Jacobs, Ph.D., the author of the
                  highly
                  > regarded books "The UFO Controversy In America" and "Secret Life,"
                  has spent
                  > more than 30 years researching UFOs and alien abduction. But it was
                  only
                  > recently that he came to feel he had solved the mystery to his own
                  > satisfaction. The solutions he arrived at are the subject of his
                  third book,
                  > "The Threat: What The Aliens Really Want And How They Plan To Get
                  It" (Simon
                  > and Schuster, 1998).
                  > Finding what he believes to be the answers was not a happy event
                  for Jacobs.
                  > He told us recently that he now approaches the subject with an
                  attitude of
                  > dread and deep concern about the future of humanity and the planet
                  we call
                  > home.
                  > Casteel: What do the aliens really want?
                  > Jacobs: Well, you know, the ultimate question I think to ask for
                  the UFO
                  > phenomenon is "Just what the hell do you think they're here for?"
                  That's the
                  > question that I've tried to address in this book--what is this all
                  about?
                  > What is happening here? Why is this happening? Why are people
                  saying that
                  > these events are happening? So what I've done then is try to answer
                  those
                  > questions as best I can by using as much information as I can from
                  eleven
                  > years of fairly intensive research into abductions.
                  > And what I've been able to find is that this is a program. They're
                  not here
                  > just because they're examining people, or studying people, or
                  experimenting
                  > on people. I don't know, Sean, if you remember I gave a talk about
                  that in
                  > Los Angeles when I saw you. So they're not here to sort
                  of "examine" us in
                  > some way. They're here on a mission. They're here with a goal in
                  mind.
                  > They've got a program, and it's a program with a beginning, a
                  middle and an
                  > end. It's a program that is goal-directed and I think we're
                  entering into
                  > sort of the end-phase of this program. I think that we're moving
                  towards the
                  > end of this.
                  > And the program ultimately is not abducting people. Abductions, you
                  have to
                  > remember, are a means to an end. They're abducting people for a
                  purpose, for
                  > a reason. The physical act of abducting people, which is the
                  abduction
                  > phenomenon, really is only part of the program. So what I've done
                  is kind of
                  > divided it into component parts and fleshed it out a lot more. So
                  what we
                  > have here is an abduction program, a breeding program, which
                  accounts for
                  > all the reproductive activity that we see, and a hybridization
                  program,
                  > which is why people see hybrids all the time--as babies, as
                  toddlers, as
                  > adolescents, and then as adults.
                  > And then, finally, I think all this is leading to an integration
                  program in
                  > which ultimately these hybrids, who look very human, will be
                  integrating
                  > into this society. And who will eventually, I assume, be in control
                  here
                  > because they do have superior technology and superior physiological
                  > abilities that we do not have. We would therefore be sort of second-
                  class
                  > citizens, I think.
                  >
                  > Now, I find this to be very disturbing. And the interesting thing
                  is that I
                  > don't really see other scenarios. I know that people feel it's
                  positive and
                  > it's wonderful, and all the rest of that. And they're here to help
                  us. But
                  > in the cases that I've investigated, very carefully, very
                  thoroughly, for a
                  > very long time, I have not had people discuss that. When people
                  discuss the
                  > future, generally speaking, they are discussing this integration
                  program
                  > that they're confronting, and we're all confronting. I've been
                  involved with
                  > UFO research for about 32 years now, since about 1965, and I have
                  never been
                  > downcast or depressed about the phenomenon. I have never been
                  pessimistic
                  > about it. I've always been filled with wonder and awe and amazement
                  at it.
                  > I've been enthusiastic and optimistic about it.
                  > But I must say that now that I've learned as much as I have
                  learned, and I
                  > think I've learned an awful lot, I am very, very unsettled and
                  upset by what
                  > I see. I don't like what I see. I wish I didn't see this. I wish I
                  hadn't
                  > uncovered this. I despair of it. It's thrown me into a tremendous
                  sense of
                  > concern about the future and unease. I just don't like it very
                  much. I wish
                  > I did. I don't want to be this way. I don't want to be the bearer
                  of bad
                  > news. I could not have ever imagined that I would come to this
                  position.
                  > What I'm seeing now, what I've found with the phenomenon, I could
                  never have
                  > imagined.
                  > Now, though, I am persuaded by the evidence. I think that we are
                  looking at
                  > a very serious business happening in front of us. As you know, the
                  UFO and
                  > abduction phenomena is very, very widespread. And people have seen
                  tens of
                  > thousands, hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of UFOs around the
                  world
                  > for a long time now, at least through the 20th Century, and
                  certainly since
                  > 1947, and before that as well. It means that the amount of time and
                  energy
                  > put into this program is really quite enormous. This means that it
                  has a
                  > tremendous amount of importance to these beings.
                  > And there's another aspect to it also that is disconcerting. It's a
                  secret
                  > phenomenon. They don't want us to know what they're doing. They
                  don't want
                  > us to interfere. This is a consciously-arrived-at and successful
                  secrecy
                  > programt to prevent us from knowing. Gosh, that makes me very
                  uneasy, Sean.
                  > So anyway, I've become depressed about the whole thing.
                  > Casteel: So the reason for all this negative feeling and depression
                  is
                  > because you feel that you and I and people who are natural human
                  beings will
                  > somehow be subject to a higher form of oppression?
                  > Jacobs: Of authority, right. I do think that something like is
                  going to
                  > happen. The way I look at is, I have one scenario which I like. All
                  the rest
                  > of them I don't like. The one scenario which I do like is that one
                  day, they
                  > will come to the abductees and say, "Our program is done now. We
                  have
                  > accomplished our goal. We've taken what we need. Thank you so much
                  for your
                  > help. Thank you so much for your cooperation. We'll be leaving now.
                  You'll
                  > never know we were even there. People will wonder forever whether
                  they were
                  > abducted or not. Now, goodbye and good night." That's my favorite
                  scenario.
                  > I love that scenario. But in fact, we never hear that. We always
                  hear a
                  > scenario about the future in which these beings say they're going
                  to be here
                  > with us.
                  >
                  > And everything is going to be wonderful. Everything is going to be
                  great.
                  > It's going to be just delightful. We're going to like it, they're
                  going to
                  > like it, everybody's going to like it. That's the future according
                  to them,
                  > but when I take a look at their society, and when I take a look at
                  a future
                  > in which they would be in control because of their superior
                  technology and
                  > physiological abilities, I see a very, very different society than
                  the kind
                  > that we live in now--a society that's far more restricted and far
                  more
                  > controlled. The whole concept of individual freedom in this kind of
                  society
                  > would be under serious question. I don't like that. I don't want
                  it. I would
                  > rather have human beings make their own mistakes and fix their own
                  problems
                  > and do things by themselves. I think we're perfectly capable of
                  doing it. I
                  > think we can all live together into a happy future. I think that's
                  within
                  > the realm of possibility.
                  > Casteel:So they paint a Utopian picture of what's going to happen?
                  > Jacobs: Well, they paint a picture of what they consider to be good
                  for
                  > themselves. And they live in a controlled society. They live in a
                  society
                  > where everybody knows his or her job. They live in a society where
                  > everything is controlled. The ability for people to act
                  independently is
                  > very, very circumscribed in this kind of society that they live in.
                  I just
                  > don't like it. I'm filled with apprehension over this. Now the key
                  thing
                  > here is they are here for a reason. They are not studying or
                  experimenting
                  > on us, and they're keeping their activities secret from us so we
                  won't find
                  > out.
                  > Casteel: That's what you were saying at the lecture, that they were
                  way
                  > beyond the experimental stage.
                  > Jacobs: Right. In fact, that was the title of the lecture "Is this
                  an
                  > experiment or a program?" You don't have to be a rocket scientist
                  to see
                  > what's going on. This doesn't look like an experiment to me, you
                  know. It's
                  > been worldwide with millions of people for 50 years. Day in, day
                  out, 24
                  > hours a day. What kind of an experiment is that? And there are a
                  lot of
                  > other reasons why it's not an experiment.
                  > So it's disconcerting. And I never used to think this until I began
                  to put
                  > it together--until I began to come to these conclusions and realize
                  I think
                  > this is what it is. I think that in the book, basically, I've
                  advanced
                  > hypotheses which might very well essentially be what this UFO
                  phenomenon is
                  > all about. This is not the final aspect of studying this
                  phenomenon, but I
                  > do think that I've fleshed out what the goals and purposes are.
                  We're not
                  > exactly sure of all the "whys." Why they would want to do it in the
                  first
                  > place? What's the point? We don't really know that. But I think
                  this is
                  > certainly a hypothetical answer to the UFO puzzle. I think pretty
                  much we've
                  > answered it.
                  > That's what we're looking at. And therefore I think we're looking
                  at a very
                  > difficult future.
                  > Casteel:So the "how-they-plan-to-get-it" part would be through the
                  breeding
                  > and hybridization programs?
                  > Jacobs: Yeah, but how it's going to be played out, I don't really
                  know.
                  > There's a lot of different scenarios. There's the Disaster Scenario
                  that
                  > abductees keep talking about over and over again. We've had this
                  for years
                  > and years. I don't quite know how that's going to happen. Whether
                  there's
                  > going to be a disaster or not. There's a scenario where they just
                  sort of
                  > naturally and nicely integrate into this society and we never even
                  know it's
                  > happening. I guess there's things in the middle. We don't really
                  know how
                  > what the aliens and abductees call "The Change," is going to take
                  place. We
                  > don't really know that quite yet.
                  > Casteel: But they're given visions like the world on fire or
                  natural
                  > disasters, that kind of thing?
                  > Jacobs: Yeah, well, it's all sorts of disaster scenarios, which
                  includes
                  > atomic war. It includes asteroids hitting the earth. It includes
                  floods,
                  > plagues, famine, whatever. It's sort of a generalized disaster and
                  you just
                  > fill in the blanks as to what kind of disaster it will be. It's
                  really
                  > non-specific, although people report more atomic war or the earth
                  cracking
                  > in half or being destroyed by a comet or something like that more
                  than other
                  > things, I guess.
                  > I don't think the specifics are all that important, but the idea of
                  a
                  > disaster is the most important thing. But I don't know whether
                  that's true
                  > or not. We really don't know that yet because it might be a very
                  different
                  > scenario. But I'm certainly going to stick by my guns and say that
                  this is
                  > an integration program. However it's worked out, they will be
                  integrating
                  > into this society and that's what this is leading to.
                  > As I say about all my books, there's no possibility, Sean, that I
                  have
                  > avoided error. I'm going to be wrong somewhere, somehow, in God
                  knows how
                  > many things. But I think that this hypothesis that I'm presenting
                  here is
                  > supportable by the evidence. And that's what makes it more
                  disturbing.
                  > Everything I've written in this book is evidence-driven. That's why
                  it's
                  > such a difficult book to deal with
                  > Casteel: Well, it's like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers," where
                  you end up
                  > mouthing the words, "It's better this way. We have no pain now."
                  > Jacobs: You are exactly right. I've thought about that, too. And of
                  course
                  > one of the things I've been criticized for is because it has such a
                  > science-fiction quality to it. And then people say, "Therefore it
                  is
                  > science-fiction." People have picked it up in the culture and
                  that's why I'm
                  > hearing this. What they do is they make the mistake by finding
                  similarities
                  > and saying that the similarities are in fact equalities. Which, of
                  course,
                  > they are not. The fact is though is that it does have what they
                  call
                  > "Programmatic Content." It does have content whereby we can see the
                  inner
                  > workings of what they're doing and what's happening. And there are
                  parallels
                  > in science-fiction, and certainly one of them is "Invasion of the
                  Body
                  > Snatchers." That is in fact one of the parallels we see. But
                  there's a lot
                  > of other parallels in science-fiction also. And if you look hard
                  enough,
                  > you're going to be able to find a bit and a piece of it here and
                  there and
                  > everywhere. But I don't think that this is science-fiction.
                  > You've got to remember that most abductees are really not much into
                  > science-fiction. Most people I work with say they don't follow
                  > science-fiction. They haven't seen those movies. They don't know
                  about that
                  > kind of stuff. It's not something where it just pervades the
                  society. As
                  > people try to tell me, "Well, it's just sort of everywhere." Well,
                  it isn't
                  > exactly like that. You've got to remember that the abduction
                  phenomenon,
                  > while similar to science-fiction here and there, is really very
                  different in
                  > almost all of its areas. It really is a different kind of
                  situation, as you
                  > know.
                  > And of course you have situations where people see other people
                  being
                  > abducted and people are physically missing from their normal
                  environment.
                  > There's a strong physical component to it that's very tough to
                  explain.
                  > Casteel: One thing I thought was interesting was the way you went
                  over the
                  > varying degrees of hybrids. Varying percentages of human versus
                  alien
                  > combinations.
                  > Jacobs: Yeah, I tried to put forward a new concept of
                  hybridization. One
                  > that makes more sense and one that's more in line with the evidence
                  as it's
                  > presented by the abductees.
                  > Casteel: Like subtle degrees between the various kinds?
                  > Jacobs: Right. And you know, it does make sense that way. It
                  answers a lot
                  > of things. It makes sense primarily because abductees have been
                  saying this.
                  > So I was able to divide it into sort of like late stage, middle
                  stage, and
                  > early stage hybrids. But one of the interesting things about this
                  > phenomenon, Sean, is that you know I talked about toddlers and what
                  kind of
                  > toys they played with and young children and what they play with.
                  And I even
                  > had some sort of "widget" that the adolescents tinkered with.
                  Remember?
                  > There was that one sequence where he had a box and he had to press
                  certain
                  > things and if he pressed them the right way there was a flash.
                  Remember
                  > that?
                  > Casteel: Yeah, like an alien Nintendo or something?
                  > Jacobs: Right. But in terms of toys, we basically know quite a lot
                  about
                  > alien toys, about kids' toys, and all that. And the hybrids and
                  what they
                  > do. I spent a lot of time on hybrid children. If this were
                  psychological, I
                  > couldn't do that. We wouldn't be able to describe certain toys that
                  they
                  > used that other people have described as well. We're learning so
                  much about
                  > this phenomenon, it's just extraordinary. And yet everything we
                  learn points
                  > in the direction of the integration program.
                  > Remember I talked about this one woman who was involved in this
                  sort of
                  > learning situation in which she was standing in front of a class of
                  hybrids.
                  > And a picture of a dog came down.
                  > Casteel: Right, and she was supposed to explain all the earthly
                  things.
                  > Jacobs: And she was asked "What's a dog for?" And she said, "Well,
                  you know,
                  > it's a companion" and all that. But see, that points to integration
                  into the
                  > society. Everything points to it. This concern, this interest in
                  earth
                  > things. I don't think it's just sort of "interest." I think they're
                  > interested in it for a reason. The interesting thing here is
                  they're not
                  > saying, "How do you elect a president?" "What do you do Saturday
                  night?" and
                  > things like that. They're not interested in politics, economics,
                  culture,
                  > society. That they're not concerned with. And we almost never,
                  never get
                  > questions about that. But if this were psychological, we would be
                  getting
                  > questions like that. But they're interested in physiology, they're
                  > interested in anatomy, they're interested in the natural world, the
                  > environment, animals, things like that. Things that are not man-
                  made
                  > necessarily. As if in the future, it's not going to matter what we
                  have
                  > built. The only thing that's going to matter is what they do.
                  That's one way
                  > of looking at it.
                  > But it's disconcerting. You want them to ask questions about
                  Clinton, you
                  > know, and things like that. Something where you can see they really
                  are
                  > learning about society, but in fact, if they integrate into this
                  society,
                  > there's going to be an overlay of their society. And ours isn't
                  going to
                  > matter a whole lot. That's my interpretation. Now I might be
                  awfully wrong
                  > about that, but it certainly is my interpretation of it.
                  >
                  > Casteel: Well, given the inevitability of it all, you just kind of
                  want to
                  > hang on to some kind of shred of hope that it'll be a good thing
                  somehow.
                  > Jacobs: Well, the one hope I have right now is not much of a hope.
                  But the
                  > hope that I have right now is the fact that it's still secret. That
                  is to
                  > say that as long as it's still secret, they must assume that they
                  are still
                  > vulnerable and therefore there's a way that we can affect the
                  program.
                  > That's not a whole lot to hang on to, for me. But you know I
                  despair that
                  > the scientific community is going to realize the import of what's
                  happening
                  > in front of them. I think that even if they do, there's so much
                  water under
                  > the bridge and we're so far down the line with this that indeed it
                  may make
                  > no difference. Maybe 30 or 40 years ago it might have made a
                  difference, but
                  > I'm looking to the future where I just don't see the scientific
                  community
                  > getting interested in this subject. It hasn't happened in the past,
                  and
                  > failing some sort of sudden event, some sort of sudden revelation,
                  some sort
                  > of incredible thing, "Clinton Exposed As Alien Himself," or
                  something like
                  > that, I just don't see them becoming interested in it. They've had
                  half a
                  > century of the ability to have that interest and have not utilized
                  it.
                  > I don't like what I'm seeing here. I've spent my entire adult life
                  studying
                  > this subject intensely. Year after year. I have a professional
                  degree with a
                  > Ph.D. in the subject and I teach the only course in the country on
                  the
                  > subject, the only regularly scheduled, full credit course in the
                  country,
                  > which I've taught for 19 years. I've written three books on the
                  subject and
                  > and many articles. And I've never really felt the despair I feel
                  now that I
                  > think that we've broken it open and we're looking at it and
                  examining it.
                  > And it's just not what I expected. It's not what anybody expected.
                  I just
                  > wish it was not that way. I just don't like it.
                  > However, this is one of those situations where you can despair of
                  it--you
                  > can feel Oh, my God, this is awful--but you have to lead your life
                  as though
                  > it's not happening. It's the only way you can get along. It's the
                  way I get
                  > along. And I've got two kids, you know. So I look at them and I
                  look at the
                  > book and I don't know what kind of future they're going to have.
                  That's
                  > true. I really don't. That wasn't just words. This is of great
                  concern to
                  > me. I really don't know what kind of future they're going to have.
                  > Casteel: Well, again, I guess the one ray of hope is the
                  possibility that it
                  > won't be a cruel form of oppression to live under them.
                  > Jacobs: Well, that certainly might be possible. I don't think it's
                  going to
                  > be a cruel form of oppression. I just think it's going to be very
                  different
                  > and not to our liking. I don't see an oppressive situation
                  necessarily. I
                  > don't think that we're going to be whipped like a slave in a galley
                  on a
                  > Viking ship or something like that. But at the same time, I do not
                  see the
                  > freedom of movement and action and activity that we have now.
                  Individual
                  > freedom and freedom of thought and all that to be the same in the
                  future as
                  > it is now.
                  > You've got to remember these beings are telepathic beings. They tap
                  right
                  > into your thoughts. I don't want anybody tapping into my thoughts.
                  When I
                  > was down in Brazil earlier I gave a paper on what it's like to live
                  in a
                  > telepathic society based on abductees' testimony about the society
                  that the
                  > aliens live in and the kind of telepathy that the abductees
                  experience. And
                  > Sean, you don't want that society. You want to be private. You want
                  to keep
                  > your thoughts private. You want to have individual expression,
                  individual
                  > thoughts. You want to be able to do what you want to do without
                  anybody
                  > knowing. And in their society, that's not necessarily true. It's a
                  different
                  > kind of society.
                  > So, is alien integration into Earth's society already a given? Will
                  we lose
                  > many of the freedoms we currently enjoy to the superior
                  capabilities of the
                  > aliens and the hybrid offspring that are also a part of us?
                  > The old truism "Only Time Will Tell" seems operative here, as it
                  does with
                  > so much of the UFO mystery. And in the words of rock singer Tom
                  Petty, "The
                  > Waiting Is The Hardest Part."
                  > THE END
                  >
                  > There are now available videos taken from the Space Shuttle of
                  alien
                  > spacecraft traveling in our atmosphere. their estimated speed in
                  our
                  > atmosphere is 100,000 miles per hour. Except for the thought
                  screen
                  > helmet, we are totally powerless to do anything about the alien
                  presence.
                  >
                  > Michael Menkin
                  >
                  >
                  > >From: uwrk <no_reply@y...>
                  > >Reply-To: darkufo@y...
                  > >To: darkufo@y...
                  > >Subject: [DarkUFO] Re: MyView
                  > >Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 16:17:31 -0000
                  > >
                  > >The motivation for the coverup is preservation of the ideological
                  and
                  > >institutional status quo, which would be seriously jeopardized by
                  > >disclosure. Did you see the Aliens Deliberately crashed essay?-I
                  > >think I put it in the links here. Read it carefully and it'll
                  answer
                  > >your questions.--- In darkufo@y..., "unidentified30339"
                  > ><unidentified30339@y...> wrote:
                  > > > Curious, why do you think the roswell craft was trying to
                  contact
                  > >the
                  > > > goverment...i have little knowledge about the subject being a
                  > > > newfound beleiver since a movie i recently saw. But reading your
                  > > > posts it sounds as if the government it self is not only trying
                  to
                  > > > cover it uo for our own safety benefits, but to surpress our
                  > >ability
                  > > > to think at free will.
                  > > >
                  > > > --- In darkufo@y..., uwrk <no_reply@y...> wrote:
                  > > > > I agree the coverup is for a good reason and it is futile to
                  > >oppose
                  > > > > it, but I don't buy your theory. There is no evidence that an
                  ET
                  > > > > craft came down in 1908. Even if one did, the explosion was so
                  > > > great
                  > > > > it probably would have vaporized any ET technology. Obviously
                  the
                  > > > > Russians were not technically ahead of the West in the years
                  > >after
                  > > > > 1908. The Roswell crash was deliberate, intended to contact
                  the
                  > > > > government covertly i.e. without frightening it, as an intact
                  > > > landing
                  > > > > might have.--- In darkufo@y..., "leda_romero"
                  <leda_romero@y...>
                  > > > > wrote:
                  > > > > > halleluia! m not alone. m from d philippines, a so religious
                  > > > > contry.
                  > > > > > i was enlightened about the truth eight years ago. m into
                  > >asking
                  > > > > > questions n finding d answers myself and alas, i found it.
                  my
                  > > > > latest
                  > > > > > opinion is that we shouldnt be too angry with the government
                  > >for
                  > > > > the
                  > > > > > secrecies and cover ups. WE COULDNT BLAME THEM. i have a
                  > >theory:
                  > > > in
                  > > > > > tunguska there crashed a ufo then the russians got hold of
                  it.
                  > >d
                  > > > > > americans found out about it then said: oh, shit. they have
                  > >ultra
                  > > > > > mega advanced technology. they will soon bomb us and rule
                  the
                  > > > > planet.
                  > > > > > we cant allow that! hey, there r ufo sightings in roswell.
                  we
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                  > >they
                  > > > r
                  > > > > > so bad. but come to think of it. its for our own good. it is
                  > > > human
                  > > > > > nature to conquer each other. we cant let yevgeny kafelnikov
                  > >bomb
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                  > > > the
                  > > > > > bottom lines is we give the government a break. although m
                  on
                  > > > > > binladens side. quote from true lies: you bomb our cities
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                • Michael Horn
                  With all this talk about hybrids, as if it s an established fact, will somebody please offer a little proof...and not just stuff based on hypnotic regressions
                  Message 8 of 19 , May 3, 2002
                    With all this talk about hybrids, as if it's an
                    established fact, will somebody please offer a little
                    proof...and not just stuff based on hypnotic
                    regressions and mass hysteria.

                    MH


                    --- uwrk <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                    > I read "The Threat" and am in full agreement that
                    > the culmination of
                    > the alien plan will witness a major dimunition of
                    > the "freedoms"
                    > people have now. But I'm suspicious of Jacobs. His
                    > apparent rejection
                    > of Roswell and the coverup is wrong IMHO, and even
                    > suggestive of
                    > collaboration with the government on disinformation
                    > schemes like C.
                    > Brown and Corso. Nor is abduction and hybridization
                    > all there is to
                    > the alien plan, if it is really important at all-I
                    > see no evidence of
                    > a hybrid takeover even years after Jacobs wrote that
                    > the final stage
                    > is near.--- In darkufo@y..., "Mike Menkin"
                    > <mmenkin@h...> wrote:
                    > > Here's what is really going on. an interview with
                    > Dave Jacobs
                    > >
                    > > Q. And A. With David Jacobs On "The Threat"
                    > > By Sean Casteel
                    > > Temple University professor David Jacobs, Ph.D.,
                    > the author of the
                    > highly
                    > > regarded books "The UFO Controversy In America"
                    > and "Secret Life,"
                    > has spent
                    > > more than 30 years researching UFOs and alien
                    > abduction. But it was
                    > only
                    > > recently that he came to feel he had solved the
                    > mystery to his own
                    > > satisfaction. The solutions he arrived at are the
                    > subject of his
                    > third book,
                    > > "The Threat: What The Aliens Really Want And How
                    > They Plan To Get
                    > It" (Simon
                    > > and Schuster, 1998).
                    > > Finding what he believes to be the answers was not
                    > a happy event
                    > for Jacobs.
                    > > He told us recently that he now approaches the
                    > subject with an
                    > attitude of
                    > > dread and deep concern about the future of
                    > humanity and the planet
                    > we call
                    > > home.
                    > > Casteel: What do the aliens really want?
                    > > Jacobs: Well, you know, the ultimate question I
                    > think to ask for
                    > the UFO
                    > > phenomenon is "Just what the hell do you think
                    > they're here for?"
                    > That's the
                    > > question that I've tried to address in this
                    > book--what is this all
                    > about?
                    > > What is happening here? Why is this happening? Why
                    > are people
                    > saying that
                    > > these events are happening? So what I've done then
                    > is try to answer
                    > those
                    > > questions as best I can by using as much
                    > information as I can from
                    > eleven
                    > > years of fairly intensive research into
                    > abductions.
                    > > And what I've been able to find is that this is a
                    > program. They're
                    > not here
                    > > just because they're examining people, or studying
                    > people, or
                    > experimenting
                    > > on people. I don't know, Sean, if you remember I
                    > gave a talk about
                    > that in
                    > > Los Angeles when I saw you. So they're not here to
                    > sort
                    > of "examine" us in
                    > > some way. They're here on a mission. They're here
                    > with a goal in
                    > mind.
                    > > They've got a program, and it's a program with a
                    > beginning, a
                    > middle and an
                    > > end. It's a program that is goal-directed and I
                    > think we're
                    > entering into
                    > > sort of the end-phase of this program. I think
                    > that we're moving
                    > towards the
                    > > end of this.
                    > > And the program ultimately is not abducting
                    > people. Abductions, you
                    > have to
                    > > remember, are a means to an end. They're abducting
                    > people for a
                    > purpose, for
                    > > a reason. The physical act of abducting people,
                    > which is the
                    > abduction
                    > > phenomenon, really is only part of the program. So
                    > what I've done
                    > is kind of
                    > > divided it into component parts and fleshed it out
                    > a lot more. So
                    > what we
                    > > have here is an abduction program, a breeding
                    > program, which
                    > accounts for
                    > > all the reproductive activity that we see, and a
                    > hybridization
                    > program,
                    > > which is why people see hybrids all the time--as
                    > babies, as
                    > toddlers, as
                    > > adolescents, and then as adults.
                    > > And then, finally, I think all this is leading to
                    > an integration
                    > program in
                    > > which ultimately these hybrids, who look very
                    > human, will be
                    > integrating
                    > > into this society. And who will eventually, I
                    > assume, be in control
                    > here
                    > > because they do have superior technology and
                    > superior physiological
                    > > abilities that we do not have. We would therefore
                    > be sort of second-
                    > class
                    > > citizens, I think.
                    > >
                    > > Now, I find this to be very disturbing. And the
                    > interesting thing
                    > is that I
                    > > don't really see other scenarios. I know that
                    > people feel it's
                    > positive and
                    > > it's wonderful, and all the rest of that. And
                    > they're here to help
                    > us. But
                    > > in the cases that I've investigated, very
                    > carefully, very
                    > thoroughly, for a
                    > > very long time, I have not had people discuss
                    > that. When people
                    > discuss the
                    > > future, generally speaking, they are discussing
                    > this integration
                    > program
                    > > that they're confronting, and we're all
                    > confronting. I've been
                    > involved with
                    > > UFO research for about 32 years now, since about
                    > 1965, and I have
                    > never been
                    > > downcast or depressed about the phenomenon. I have
                    > never been
                    > pessimistic
                    > > about it. I've always been filled with wonder and
                    > awe and amazement
                    > at it.
                    > > I've been enthusiastic and optimistic about it.
                    > > But I must say that now that I've learned as much
                    > as I have
                    > learned, and I
                    > > think I've learned an awful lot, I am very, very
                    > unsettled and
                    > upset by what
                    > > I see. I don't like what I see. I wish I didn't
                    > see this. I wish I
                    > hadn't
                    > > uncovered this. I despair of it. It's thrown me
                    > into a tremendous
                    > sense of
                    > > concern about the future and unease. I just don't
                    > like it very
                    > much. I wish
                    > > I did. I don't want to be this way. I don't want
                    > to be the bearer
                    > of bad
                    > > news. I could not have ever imagined that I would
                    > come to this
                    > position.
                    > > What I'm seeing now, what I've found with the
                    > phenomenon, I could
                    > never have
                    > > imagined.
                    > > Now, though, I am persuaded by the evidence. I
                    > think that we are
                    > looking at
                    > > a very serious business happening in front of us.
                    > As you know, the
                    > UFO and
                    > > abduction phenomena is very, very widespread. And
                    > people
                    === message truncated ===


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                  • uwrk
                    Yes, real evidence seems wanting, which is why I think Jacobs overemphasizes this aspect of the phenomenon.--- In darkufo@y...,
                    Message 9 of 19 , May 4, 2002
                      Yes, real evidence seems wanting, which is why I think Jacobs
                      overemphasizes this aspect of the phenomenon.--- In darkufo@y...,
                      Michael Horn <michaelhorn812@y...> wrote:
                      > With all this talk about hybrids, as if it's an
                      > established fact, will somebody please offer a little
                      > proof...and not just stuff based on hypnotic
                      > regressions and mass hysteria.
                      >
                      > MH
                      >
                      >
                      > --- uwrk <no_reply@y...> wrote:
                      > > I read "The Threat" and am in full agreement that
                      > > the culmination of
                      > > the alien plan will witness a major dimunition of
                      > > the "freedoms"
                      > > people have now. But I'm suspicious of Jacobs. His
                      > > apparent rejection
                      > > of Roswell and the coverup is wrong IMHO, and even
                      > > suggestive of
                      > > collaboration with the government on disinformation
                      > > schemes like C.
                      > > Brown and Corso. Nor is abduction and hybridization
                      > > all there is to
                      > > the alien plan, if it is really important at all-I
                      > > see no evidence of
                      > > a hybrid takeover even years after Jacobs wrote that
                      > > the final stage
                      > > is near.--- In darkufo@y..., "Mike Menkin"
                      > > <mmenkin@h...> wrote:
                      > > > Here's what is really going on. an interview with
                      > > Dave Jacobs
                      > > >
                      > > > Q. And A. With David Jacobs On "The Threat"
                      > > > By Sean Casteel
                      > > > Temple University professor David Jacobs, Ph.D.,
                      > > the author of the
                      > > highly
                      > > > regarded books "The UFO Controversy In America"
                      > > and "Secret Life,"
                      > > has spent
                      > > > more than 30 years researching UFOs and alien
                      > > abduction. But it was
                      > > only
                      > > > recently that he came to feel he had solved the
                      > > mystery to his own
                      > > > satisfaction. The solutions he arrived at are the
                      > > subject of his
                      > > third book,
                      > > > "The Threat: What The Aliens Really Want And How
                      > > They Plan To Get
                      > > It" (Simon
                      > > > and Schuster, 1998).
                      > > > Finding what he believes to be the answers was not
                      > > a happy event
                      > > for Jacobs.
                      > > > He told us recently that he now approaches the
                      > > subject with an
                      > > attitude of
                      > > > dread and deep concern about the future of
                      > > humanity and the planet
                      > > we call
                      > > > home.
                      > > > Casteel: What do the aliens really want?
                      > > > Jacobs: Well, you know, the ultimate question I
                      > > think to ask for
                      > > the UFO
                      > > > phenomenon is "Just what the hell do you think
                      > > they're here for?"
                      > > That's the
                      > > > question that I've tried to address in this
                      > > book--what is this all
                      > > about?
                      > > > What is happening here? Why is this happening? Why
                      > > are people
                      > > saying that
                      > > > these events are happening? So what I've done then
                      > > is try to answer
                      > > those
                      > > > questions as best I can by using as much
                      > > information as I can from
                      > > eleven
                      > > > years of fairly intensive research into
                      > > abductions.
                      > > > And what I've been able to find is that this is a
                      > > program. They're
                      > > not here
                      > > > just because they're examining people, or studying
                      > > people, or
                      > > experimenting
                      > > > on people. I don't know, Sean, if you remember I
                      > > gave a talk about
                      > > that in
                      > > > Los Angeles when I saw you. So they're not here to
                      > > sort
                      > > of "examine" us in
                      > > > some way. They're here on a mission. They're here
                      > > with a goal in
                      > > mind.
                      > > > They've got a program, and it's a program with a
                      > > beginning, a
                      > > middle and an
                      > > > end. It's a program that is goal-directed and I
                      > > think we're
                      > > entering into
                      > > > sort of the end-phase of this program. I think
                      > > that we're moving
                      > > towards the
                      > > > end of this.
                      > > > And the program ultimately is not abducting
                      > > people. Abductions, you
                      > > have to
                      > > > remember, are a means to an end. They're abducting
                      > > people for a
                      > > purpose, for
                      > > > a reason. The physical act of abducting people,
                      > > which is the
                      > > abduction
                      > > > phenomenon, really is only part of the program. So
                      > > what I've done
                      > > is kind of
                      > > > divided it into component parts and fleshed it out
                      > > a lot more. So
                      > > what we
                      > > > have here is an abduction program, a breeding
                      > > program, which
                      > > accounts for
                      > > > all the reproductive activity that we see, and a
                      > > hybridization
                      > > program,
                      > > > which is why people see hybrids all the time--as
                      > > babies, as
                      > > toddlers, as
                      > > > adolescents, and then as adults.
                      > > > And then, finally, I think all this is leading to
                      > > an integration
                      > > program in
                      > > > which ultimately these hybrids, who look very
                      > > human, will be
                      > > integrating
                      > > > into this society. And who will eventually, I
                      > > assume, be in control
                      > > here
                      > > > because they do have superior technology and
                      > > superior physiological
                      > > > abilities that we do not have. We would therefore
                      > > be sort of second-
                      > > class
                      > > > citizens, I think.
                      > > >
                      > > > Now, I find this to be very disturbing. And the
                      > > interesting thing
                      > > is that I
                      > > > don't really see other scenarios. I know that
                      > > people feel it's
                      > > positive and
                      > > > it's wonderful, and all the rest of that. And
                      > > they're here to help
                      > > us. But
                      > > > in the cases that I've investigated, very
                      > > carefully, very
                      > > thoroughly, for a
                      > > > very long time, I have not had people discuss
                      > > that. When people
                      > > discuss the
                      > > > future, generally speaking, they are discussing
                      > > this integration
                      > > program
                      > > > that they're confronting, and we're all
                      > > confronting. I've been
                      > > involved with
                      > > > UFO research for about 32 years now, since about
                      > > 1965, and I have
                      > > never been
                      > > > downcast or depressed about the phenomenon. I have
                      > > never been
                      > > pessimistic
                      > > > about it. I've always been filled with wonder and
                      > > awe and amazement
                      > > at it.
                      > > > I've been enthusiastic and optimistic about it.
                      > > > But I must say that now that I've learned as much
                      > > as I have
                      > > learned, and I
                      > > > think I've learned an awful lot, I am very, very
                      > > unsettled and
                      > > upset by what
                      > > > I see. I don't like what I see. I wish I didn't
                      > > see this. I wish I
                      > > hadn't
                      > > > uncovered this. I despair of it. It's thrown me
                      > > into a tremendous
                      > > sense of
                      > > > concern about the future and unease. I just don't
                      > > like it very
                      > > much. I wish
                      > > > I did. I don't want to be this way. I don't want
                      > > to be the bearer
                      > > of bad
                      > > > news. I could not have ever imagined that I would
                      > > come to this
                      > > position.
                      > > > What I'm seeing now, what I've found with the
                      > > phenomenon, I could
                      > > never have
                      > > > imagined.
                      > > > Now, though, I am persuaded by the evidence. I
                      > > think that we are
                      > > looking at
                      > > > a very serious business happening in front of us.
                      > > As you know, the
                      > > UFO and
                      > > > abduction phenomena is very, very widespread. And
                      > > people
                      > === message truncated ===
                      >
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                    • Mike Menkin
                      You are correct, we don t have positive proof. That s a major problem. My strategy is to keep giving thought screen helmets to abductees and hope somehow we
                      Message 10 of 19 , May 4, 2002
                        You are correct, we don't have positive proof. That's a major problem. My
                        strategy is to keep giving thought screen helmets to abductees and hope
                        somehow we can get positive proof. The thought screen helmet does work and
                        it does stop the aliens from taking people. I had children who were still
                        taken on their way home from school until I made them a cloth hat lined with
                        8 sheets of Velostat which also worked.

                        Several abductees I work with say the aliens will do something soon. Just
                        what that is I do not know, but I don't think it's going to be nice.

                        If you are an abductee or know one, please call me at 425-454-2355. I will
                        make one and send it to you to try for free. Each helmet takes about 4
                        hours to make and costs me $40.

                        Michael Menkin


                        >From: uwrk <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
                        >Reply-To: darkufo@yahoogroups.com
                        >To: darkufo@yahoogroups.com
                        >Subject: [DarkUFO] Re: MyView
                        >Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 13:14:07 -0000
                        >
                        >Yes, real evidence seems wanting, which is why I think Jacobs
                        >overemphasizes this aspect of the phenomenon.--- In darkufo@y...,
                        >Michael Horn <michaelhorn812@y...> wrote:
                        > > With all this talk about hybrids, as if it's an
                        > > established fact, will somebody please offer a little
                        > > proof...and not just stuff based on hypnotic
                        > > regressions and mass hysteria.
                        > >
                        > > MH
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > --- uwrk <no_reply@y...> wrote:
                        > > > I read "The Threat" and am in full agreement that
                        > > > the culmination of
                        > > > the alien plan will witness a major dimunition of
                        > > > the "freedoms"
                        > > > people have now. But I'm suspicious of Jacobs. His
                        > > > apparent rejection
                        > > > of Roswell and the coverup is wrong IMHO, and even
                        > > > suggestive of
                        > > > collaboration with the government on disinformation
                        > > > schemes like C.
                        > > > Brown and Corso. Nor is abduction and hybridization
                        > > > all there is to
                        > > > the alien plan, if it is really important at all-I
                        > > > see no evidence of
                        > > > a hybrid takeover even years after Jacobs wrote that
                        > > > the final stage
                        > > > is near.--- In darkufo@y..., "Mike Menkin"
                        > > > <mmenkin@h...> wrote:
                        > > > > Here's what is really going on. an interview with
                        > > > Dave Jacobs
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Q. And A. With David Jacobs On "The Threat"
                        > > > > By Sean Casteel
                        > > > > Temple University professor David Jacobs, Ph.D.,
                        > > > the author of the
                        > > > highly
                        > > > > regarded books "The UFO Controversy In America"
                        > > > and "Secret Life,"
                        > > > has spent
                        > > > > more than 30 years researching UFOs and alien
                        > > > abduction. But it was
                        > > > only
                        > > > > recently that he came to feel he had solved the
                        > > > mystery to his own
                        > > > > satisfaction. The solutions he arrived at are the
                        > > > subject of his
                        > > > third book,
                        > > > > "The Threat: What The Aliens Really Want And How
                        > > > They Plan To Get
                        > > > It" (Simon
                        > > > > and Schuster, 1998).
                        > > > > Finding what he believes to be the answers was not
                        > > > a happy event
                        > > > for Jacobs.
                        > > > > He told us recently that he now approaches the
                        > > > subject with an
                        > > > attitude of
                        > > > > dread and deep concern about the future of
                        > > > humanity and the planet
                        > > > we call
                        > > > > home.
                        > > > > Casteel: What do the aliens really want?
                        > > > > Jacobs: Well, you know, the ultimate question I
                        > > > think to ask for
                        > > > the UFO
                        > > > > phenomenon is "Just what the hell do you think
                        > > > they're here for?"
                        > > > That's the
                        > > > > question that I've tried to address in this
                        > > > book--what is this all
                        > > > about?
                        > > > > What is happening here? Why is this happening? Why
                        > > > are people
                        > > > saying that
                        > > > > these events are happening? So what I've done then
                        > > > is try to answer
                        > > > those
                        > > > > questions as best I can by using as much
                        > > > information as I can from
                        > > > eleven
                        > > > > years of fairly intensive research into
                        > > > abductions.
                        > > > > And what I've been able to find is that this is a
                        > > > program. They're
                        > > > not here
                        > > > > just because they're examining people, or studying
                        > > > people, or
                        > > > experimenting
                        > > > > on people. I don't know, Sean, if you remember I
                        > > > gave a talk about
                        > > > that in
                        > > > > Los Angeles when I saw you. So they're not here to
                        > > > sort
                        > > > of "examine" us in
                        > > > > some way. They're here on a mission. They're here
                        > > > with a goal in
                        > > > mind.
                        > > > > They've got a program, and it's a program with a
                        > > > beginning, a
                        > > > middle and an
                        > > > > end. It's a program that is goal-directed and I
                        > > > think we're
                        > > > entering into
                        > > > > sort of the end-phase of this program. I think
                        > > > that we're moving
                        > > > towards the
                        > > > > end of this.
                        > > > > And the program ultimately is not abducting
                        > > > people. Abductions, you
                        > > > have to
                        > > > > remember, are a means to an end. They're abducting
                        > > > people for a
                        > > > purpose, for
                        > > > > a reason. The physical act of abducting people,
                        > > > which is the
                        > > > abduction
                        > > > > phenomenon, really is only part of the program. So
                        > > > what I've done
                        > > > is kind of
                        > > > > divided it into component parts and fleshed it out
                        > > > a lot more. So
                        > > > what we
                        > > > > have here is an abduction program, a breeding
                        > > > program, which
                        > > > accounts for
                        > > > > all the reproductive activity that we see, and a
                        > > > hybridization
                        > > > program,
                        > > > > which is why people see hybrids all the time--as
                        > > > babies, as
                        > > > toddlers, as
                        > > > > adolescents, and then as adults.
                        > > > > And then, finally, I think all this is leading to
                        > > > an integration
                        > > > program in
                        > > > > which ultimately these hybrids, who look very
                        > > > human, will be
                        > > > integrating
                        > > > > into this society. And who will eventually, I
                        > > > assume, be in control
                        > > > here
                        > > > > because they do have superior technology and
                        > > > superior physiological
                        > > > > abilities that we do not have. We would therefore
                        > > > be sort of second-
                        > > > class
                        > > > > citizens, I think.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Now, I find this to be very disturbing. And the
                        > > > interesting thing
                        > > > is that I
                        > > > > don't really see other scenarios. I know that
                        > > > people feel it's
                        > > > positive and
                        > > > > it's wonderful, and all the rest of that. And
                        > > > they're here to help
                        > > > us. But
                        > > > > in the cases that I've investigated, very
                        > > > carefully, very
                        > > > thoroughly, for a
                        > > > > very long time, I have not had people discuss
                        > > > that. When people
                        > > > discuss the
                        > > > > future, generally speaking, they are discussing
                        > > > this integration
                        > > > program
                        > > > > that they're confronting, and we're all
                        > > > confronting. I've been
                        > > > involved with
                        > > > > UFO research for about 32 years now, since about
                        > > > 1965, and I have
                        > > > never been
                        > > > > downcast or depressed about the phenomenon. I have
                        > > > never been
                        > > > pessimistic
                        > > > > about it. I've always been filled with wonder and
                        > > > awe and amazement
                        > > > at it.
                        > > > > I've been enthusiastic and optimistic about it.
                        > > > > But I must say that now that I've learned as much
                        > > > as I have
                        > > > learned, and I
                        > > > > think I've learned an awful lot, I am very, very
                        > > > unsettled and
                        > > > upset by what
                        > > > > I see. I don't like what I see. I wish I didn't
                        > > > see this. I wish I
                        > > > hadn't
                        > > > > uncovered this. I despair of it. It's thrown me
                        > > > into a tremendous
                        > > > sense of
                        > > > > concern about the future and unease. I just don't
                        > > > like it very
                        > > > much. I wish
                        > > > > I did. I don't want to be this way. I don't want
                        > > > to be the bearer
                        > > > of bad
                        > > > > news. I could not have ever imagined that I would
                        > > > come to this
                        > > > position.
                        > > > > What I'm seeing now, what I've found with the
                        > > > phenomenon, I could
                        > > > never have
                        > > > > imagined.
                        > > > > Now, though, I am persuaded by the evidence. I
                        > > > think that we are
                        > > > looking at
                        > > > > a very serious business happening in front of us.
                        > > > As you know, the
                        > > > UFO and
                        > > > > abduction phenomena is very, very widespread. And
                        > > > people
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                        Yes, seems like a bit of hysteria that makes for interesting conversation but with little substance... MH ... === message truncated ===
                        Message 11 of 19 , May 4, 2002
                          Yes, seems like a bit of hysteria that makes for
                          interesting conversation but with little substance...

                          MH



                          --- uwrk <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                          > Yes, real evidence seems wanting, which is why I
                          > think Jacobs
                          > overemphasizes this aspect of the phenomenon.--- In
                          > darkufo@y...,
                          > Michael Horn <michaelhorn812@y...> wrote:
                          > > With all this talk about hybrids, as if it's an
                          > > established fact, will somebody please offer a
                          > little
                          > > proof...and not just stuff based on hypnotic
                          > > regressions and mass hysteria.
                          > >
                          > > MH
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --- uwrk <no_reply@y...> wrote:
                          > > > I read "The Threat" and am in full agreement
                          > that
                          > > > the culmination of
                          > > > the alien plan will witness a major dimunition
                          > of
                          > > > the "freedoms"
                          > > > people have now. But I'm suspicious of Jacobs.
                          > His
                          > > > apparent rejection
                          > > > of Roswell and the coverup is wrong IMHO, and
                          > even
                          > > > suggestive of
                          > > > collaboration with the government on
                          > disinformation
                          > > > schemes like C.
                          > > > Brown and Corso. Nor is abduction and
                          > hybridization
                          > > > all there is to
                          > > > the alien plan, if it is really important at
                          > all-I
                          > > > see no evidence of
                          > > > a hybrid takeover even years after Jacobs wrote
                          > that
                          > > > the final stage
                          > > > is near.--- In darkufo@y..., "Mike Menkin"
                          > > > <mmenkin@h...> wrote:
                          > > > > Here's what is really going on. an interview
                          > with
                          > > > Dave Jacobs
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Q. And A. With David Jacobs On "The Threat"
                          > > > > By Sean Casteel
                          > > > > Temple University professor David Jacobs,
                          > Ph.D.,
                          > > > the author of the
                          > > > highly
                          > > > > regarded books "The UFO Controversy In
                          > America"
                          > > > and "Secret Life,"
                          > > > has spent
                          > > > > more than 30 years researching UFOs and alien
                          > > > abduction. But it was
                          > > > only
                          > > > > recently that he came to feel he had solved
                          > the
                          > > > mystery to his own
                          > > > > satisfaction. The solutions he arrived at are
                          > the
                          > > > subject of his
                          > > > third book,
                          > > > > "The Threat: What The Aliens Really Want And
                          > How
                          > > > They Plan To Get
                          > > > It" (Simon
                          > > > > and Schuster, 1998).
                          > > > > Finding what he believes to be the answers was
                          > not
                          > > > a happy event
                          > > > for Jacobs.
                          > > > > He told us recently that he now approaches the
                          > > > subject with an
                          > > > attitude of
                          > > > > dread and deep concern about the future of
                          > > > humanity and the planet
                          > > > we call
                          > > > > home.
                          > > > > Casteel: What do the aliens really want?
                          > > > > Jacobs: Well, you know, the ultimate question
                          > I
                          > > > think to ask for
                          > > > the UFO
                          > > > > phenomenon is "Just what the hell do you think
                          > > > they're here for?"
                          > > > That's the
                          > > > > question that I've tried to address in this
                          > > > book--what is this all
                          > > > about?
                          > > > > What is happening here? Why is this happening?
                          > Why
                          > > > are people
                          > > > saying that
                          > > > > these events are happening? So what I've done
                          > then
                          > > > is try to answer
                          > > > those
                          > > > > questions as best I can by using as much
                          > > > information as I can from
                          > > > eleven
                          > > > > years of fairly intensive research into
                          > > > abductions.
                          > > > > And what I've been able to find is that this
                          > is a
                          > > > program. They're
                          > > > not here
                          > > > > just because they're examining people, or
                          > studying
                          > > > people, or
                          > > > experimenting
                          > > > > on people. I don't know, Sean, if you remember
                          > I
                          > > > gave a talk about
                          > > > that in
                          > > > > Los Angeles when I saw you. So they're not
                          > here to
                          > > > sort
                          > > > of "examine" us in
                          > > > > some way. They're here on a mission. They're
                          > here
                          > > > with a goal in
                          > > > mind.
                          > > > > They've got a program, and it's a program with
                          > a
                          > > > beginning, a
                          > > > middle and an
                          > > > > end. It's a program that is goal-directed and
                          > I
                          > > > think we're
                          > > > entering into
                          > > > > sort of the end-phase of this program. I think
                          > > > that we're moving
                          > > > towards the
                          > > > > end of this.
                          > > > > And the program ultimately is not abducting
                          > > > people. Abductions, you
                          > > > have to
                          > > > > remember, are a means to an end. They're
                          > abducting
                          > > > people for a
                          > > > purpose, for
                          > > > > a reason. The physical act of abducting
                          > people,
                          > > > which is the
                          > > > abduction
                          > > > > phenomenon, really is only part of the
                          > program. So
                          > > > what I've done
                          > > > is kind of
                          > > > > divided it into component parts and fleshed it
                          > out
                          > > > a lot more. So
                          > > > what we
                          > > > > have here is an abduction program, a breeding
                          > > > program, which
                          > > > accounts for
                          > > > > all the reproductive activity that we see, and
                          > a
                          > > > hybridization
                          > > > program,
                          > > > > which is why people see hybrids all the
                          > time--as
                          > > > babies, as
                          > > > toddlers, as
                          > > > > adolescents, and then as adults.
                          > > > > And then, finally, I think all this is leading
                          > to
                          > > > an integration
                          > > > program in
                          > > > > which ultimately these hybrids, who look very
                          > > > human, will be
                          > > > integrating
                          > > > > into this society. And who will eventually, I
                          > > > assume, be in control
                          > > > here
                          > > > > because they do have superior technology and
                          > > > superior physiological
                          > > > > abilities that we do not have. We would
                          > therefore
                          > > > be sort of second-
                          > > > class
                          > > > > citizens, I think.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Now, I find this to be very disturbing. And
                          > the
                          > > > interesting thing
                          > > > is that I
                          > > > > don't really see other scenarios. I know that
                          > > > people feel it's
                          > > > positive and
                          > > > > it's wonderful, and all the rest of that. And
                          > > > they're here to help
                          > > > us. But
                          > > > > in the cases that I've investigated, very
                          > > > carefully, very
                          > > > thoroughly, for a
                          > > > > very long time, I have not had people discuss
                          > > > that. When people
                          >
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                        • Michael Horn
                          Ah, respectfully, there is an old story about someone who was snapping their fingers loudly. Another person asked them what they were doing. The finger-snapper
                          Message 12 of 19 , May 4, 2002
                            Ah, respectfully, there is an old story about someone
                            who was snapping their fingers loudly.
                            Another person asked them what they were doing.
                            The finger-snapper said, "Keeping the elephants away."
                            Other person says, "But there are no elephants here."
                            Finger-snapper says, "See, I told you it worked!"

                            Could there be any similarities here...?

                            MH



                            --- Mike Menkin <mmenkin@...> wrote:
                            > You are correct, we don't have positive proof.
                            > That's a major problem. My
                            > strategy is to keep giving thought screen helmets to
                            > abductees and hope
                            > somehow we can get positive proof. The thought
                            > screen helmet does work and
                            > it does stop the aliens from taking people. I had
                            > children who were still
                            > taken on their way home from school until I made
                            > them a cloth hat lined with
                            > 8 sheets of Velostat which also worked.
                            >
                            > Several abductees I work with say the aliens will do
                            > something soon. Just
                            > what that is I do not know, but I don't think it's
                            > going to be nice.
                            >
                            > If you are an abductee or know one, please call me
                            > at 425-454-2355. I will
                            > make one and send it to you to try for free. Each
                            > helmet takes about 4
                            > hours to make and costs me $40.
                            >
                            > Michael Menkin
                            >
                            >
                            > >From: uwrk <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
                            > >Reply-To: darkufo@yahoogroups.com
                            > >To: darkufo@yahoogroups.com
                            > >Subject: [DarkUFO] Re: MyView
                            > >Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 13:14:07 -0000
                            > >
                            > >Yes, real evidence seems wanting, which is why I
                            > think Jacobs
                            > >overemphasizes this aspect of the phenomenon.--- In
                            > darkufo@y...,
                            > >Michael Horn <michaelhorn812@y...> wrote:
                            > > > With all this talk about hybrids, as if it's an
                            > > > established fact, will somebody please offer a
                            > little
                            > > > proof...and not just stuff based on hypnotic
                            > > > regressions and mass hysteria.
                            > > >
                            > > > MH
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > --- uwrk <no_reply@y...> wrote:
                            > > > > I read "The Threat" and am in full agreement
                            > that
                            > > > > the culmination of
                            > > > > the alien plan will witness a major dimunition
                            > of
                            > > > > the "freedoms"
                            > > > > people have now. But I'm suspicious of Jacobs.
                            > His
                            > > > > apparent rejection
                            > > > > of Roswell and the coverup is wrong IMHO, and
                            > even
                            > > > > suggestive of
                            > > > > collaboration with the government on
                            > disinformation
                            > > > > schemes like C.
                            > > > > Brown and Corso. Nor is abduction and
                            > hybridization
                            > > > > all there is to
                            > > > > the alien plan, if it is really important at
                            > all-I
                            > > > > see no evidence of
                            > > > > a hybrid takeover even years after Jacobs
                            > wrote that
                            > > > > the final stage
                            > > > > is near.--- In darkufo@y..., "Mike Menkin"
                            > > > > <mmenkin@h...> wrote:
                            > > > > > Here's what is really going on. an
                            > interview with
                            > > > > Dave Jacobs
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Q. And A. With David Jacobs On "The Threat"
                            > > > > > By Sean Casteel
                            > > > > > Temple University professor David Jacobs,
                            > Ph.D.,
                            > > > > the author of the
                            > > > > highly
                            > > > > > regarded books "The UFO Controversy In
                            > America"
                            > > > > and "Secret Life,"
                            > > > > has spent
                            > > > > > more than 30 years researching UFOs and
                            > alien
                            > > > > abduction. But it was
                            > > > > only
                            > > > > > recently that he came to feel he had solved
                            > the
                            > > > > mystery to his own
                            > > > > > satisfaction. The solutions he arrived at
                            > are the
                            > > > > subject of his
                            > > > > third book,
                            > > > > > "The Threat: What The Aliens Really Want And
                            > How
                            > > > > They Plan To Get
                            > > > > It" (Simon
                            > > > > > and Schuster, 1998).
                            > > > > > Finding what he believes to be the answers
                            > was not
                            > > > > a happy event
                            > > > > for Jacobs.
                            > > > > > He told us recently that he now approaches
                            > the
                            > > > > subject with an
                            > > > > attitude of
                            > > > > > dread and deep concern about the future of
                            > > > > humanity and the planet
                            > > > > we call
                            > > > > > home.
                            > > > > > Casteel: What do the aliens really want?
                            > > > > > Jacobs: Well, you know, the ultimate
                            > question I
                            > > > > think to ask for
                            > > > > the UFO
                            > > > > > phenomenon is "Just what the hell do you
                            > think
                            > > > > they're here for?"
                            > > > > That's the
                            > > > > > question that I've tried to address in this
                            > > > > book--what is this all
                            > > > > about?
                            > > > > > What is happening here? Why is this
                            > happening? Why
                            > > > > are people
                            > > > > saying that
                            > > > > > these events are happening? So what I've
                            > done then
                            > > > > is try to answer
                            > > > > those
                            > > > > > questions as best I can by using as much
                            > > > > information as I can from
                            > > > > eleven
                            > > > > > years of fairly intensive research into
                            > > > > abductions.
                            > > > > > And what I've been able to find is that this
                            > is a
                            > > > > program. They're
                            > > > > not here
                            > > > > > just because they're examining people, or
                            > studying
                            > > > > people, or
                            > > > > experimenting
                            > > > > > on people. I don't know, Sean, if you
                            > remember I
                            > > > > gave a talk about
                            > > > > that in
                            > > > > > Los Angeles when I saw you. So they're not
                            > here to
                            > > > > sort
                            > > > > of "examine" us in
                            > > > > > some way. They're here on a mission. They're
                            > here
                            > > > > with a goal in
                            > > > > mind.
                            > > > > > They've got a program, and it's a program
                            > with a
                            > > > > beginning, a
                            > > > > middle and an
                            > > > > > end. It's a program that is goal-directed
                            > and I
                            > > > > think we're
                            > > > > entering into
                            > > > > > sort of the end-phase of this program. I
                            > think
                            > > > > that we're moving
                            > > > > towards the
                            > > > > > end of this.
                            > > > > > And the program ultimately is not abducting
                            > > > > people. Abductions, you
                            > > > > have to
                            > > > > > remember, are a means to an end. They're
                            > abducting
                            > > > > people for a
                            > > > > purpose, for
                            > > > > > a reason. The physical act of abducting
                            > people,
                            > > > > which is the
                            > > > > abduction
                            > > > > > phenomenon, really is only part of the
                            > program. So
                            > > > > what I've done
                            > > > > is kind of
                            > > > > > divided it into component parts and fleshed
                            > it out
                            > > > > a lot more. So
                            > > > > what we
                            > > > > > have here is an abduction program, a
                            > breeding
                            > > > > program, which
                            > > > > accounts for
                            > > > > > all the reproductive activity that we see,
                            > and a
                            > > > > hybridization
                            > > > > program,
                            > > > > > which is why people see hybrids all the
                            > time--as
                            >
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                            Actually, there have been reports of recovered implants, supposedly from ETs, but I don t know if they re credible.--- In ... problem. My ... hope ... work
                            Message 13 of 19 , May 5, 2002
                              Actually, there have been reports of recovered implants, supposedly
                              from ETs, but I don't know if they're credible.--- In
                              darkufo@y..., "Mike Menkin" <mmenkin@h...> wrote:
                              > You are correct, we don't have positive proof. That's a major
                              problem. My
                              > strategy is to keep giving thought screen helmets to abductees and
                              hope
                              > somehow we can get positive proof. The thought screen helmet does
                              work and
                              > it does stop the aliens from taking people. I had children who
                              were still
                              > taken on their way home from school until I made them a cloth hat
                              lined with
                              > 8 sheets of Velostat which also worked.
                              >
                              > Several abductees I work with say the aliens will do something
                              soon. Just
                              > what that is I do not know, but I don't think it's going to be nice.
                              >
                              > If you are an abductee or know one, please call me at 425-454-
                              2355. I will
                              > make one and send it to you to try for free. Each helmet takes
                              about 4
                              > hours to make and costs me $40.
                              >
                              > Michael Menkin
                              >
                              >
                              > >From: uwrk <no_reply@y...>
                              > >Reply-To: darkufo@y...
                              > >To: darkufo@y...
                              > >Subject: [DarkUFO] Re: MyView
                              > >Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 13:14:07 -0000
                              > >
                              > >Yes, real evidence seems wanting, which is why I think Jacobs
                              > >overemphasizes this aspect of the phenomenon.--- In darkufo@y...,
                              > >Michael Horn <michaelhorn812@y...> wrote:
                              > > > With all this talk about hybrids, as if it's an
                              > > > established fact, will somebody please offer a little
                              > > > proof...and not just stuff based on hypnotic
                              > > > regressions and mass hysteria.
                              > > >
                              > > > MH
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > --- uwrk <no_reply@y...> wrote:
                              > > > > I read "The Threat" and am in full agreement that
                              > > > > the culmination of
                              > > > > the alien plan will witness a major dimunition of
                              > > > > the "freedoms"
                              > > > > people have now. But I'm suspicious of Jacobs. His
                              > > > > apparent rejection
                              > > > > of Roswell and the coverup is wrong IMHO, and even
                              > > > > suggestive of
                              > > > > collaboration with the government on disinformation
                              > > > > schemes like C.
                              > > > > Brown and Corso. Nor is abduction and hybridization
                              > > > > all there is to
                              > > > > the alien plan, if it is really important at all-I
                              > > > > see no evidence of
                              > > > > a hybrid takeover even years after Jacobs wrote that
                              > > > > the final stage
                              > > > > is near.--- In darkufo@y..., "Mike Menkin"
                              > > > > <mmenkin@h...> wrote:
                              > > > > > Here's what is really going on. an interview with
                              > > > > Dave Jacobs
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Q. And A. With David Jacobs On "The Threat"
                              > > > > > By Sean Casteel
                              > > > > > Temple University professor David Jacobs, Ph.D.,
                              > > > > the author of the
                              > > > > highly
                              > > > > > regarded books "The UFO Controversy In America"
                              > > > > and "Secret Life,"
                              > > > > has spent
                              > > > > > more than 30 years researching UFOs and alien
                              > > > > abduction. But it was
                              > > > > only
                              > > > > > recently that he came to feel he had solved the
                              > > > > mystery to his own
                              > > > > > satisfaction. The solutions he arrived at are the
                              > > > > subject of his
                              > > > > third book,
                              > > > > > "The Threat: What The Aliens Really Want And How
                              > > > > They Plan To Get
                              > > > > It" (Simon
                              > > > > > and Schuster, 1998).
                              > > > > > Finding what he believes to be the answers was not
                              > > > > a happy event
                              > > > > for Jacobs.
                              > > > > > He told us recently that he now approaches the
                              > > > > subject with an
                              > > > > attitude of
                              > > > > > dread and deep concern about the future of
                              > > > > humanity and the planet
                              > > > > we call
                              > > > > > home.
                              > > > > > Casteel: What do the aliens really want?
                              > > > > > Jacobs: Well, you know, the ultimate question I
                              > > > > think to ask for
                              > > > > the UFO
                              > > > > > phenomenon is "Just what the hell do you think
                              > > > > they're here for?"
                              > > > > That's the
                              > > > > > question that I've tried to address in this
                              > > > > book--what is this all
                              > > > > about?
                              > > > > > What is happening here? Why is this happening? Why
                              > > > > are people
                              > > > > saying that
                              > > > > > these events are happening? So what I've done then
                              > > > > is try to answer
                              > > > > those
                              > > > > > questions as best I can by using as much
                              > > > > information as I can from
                              > > > > eleven
                              > > > > > years of fairly intensive research into
                              > > > > abductions.
                              > > > > > And what I've been able to find is that this is a
                              > > > > program. They're
                              > > > > not here
                              > > > > > just because they're examining people, or studying
                              > > > > people, or
                              > > > > experimenting
                              > > > > > on people. I don't know, Sean, if you remember I
                              > > > > gave a talk about
                              > > > > that in
                              > > > > > Los Angeles when I saw you. So they're not here to
                              > > > > sort
                              > > > > of "examine" us in
                              > > > > > some way. They're here on a mission. They're here
                              > > > > with a goal in
                              > > > > mind.
                              > > > > > They've got a program, and it's a program with a
                              > > > > beginning, a
                              > > > > middle and an
                              > > > > > end. It's a program that is goal-directed and I
                              > > > > think we're
                              > > > > entering into
                              > > > > > sort of the end-phase of this program. I think
                              > > > > that we're moving
                              > > > > towards the
                              > > > > > end of this.
                              > > > > > And the program ultimately is not abducting
                              > > > > people. Abductions, you
                              > > > > have to
                              > > > > > remember, are a means to an end. They're abducting
                              > > > > people for a
                              > > > > purpose, for
                              > > > > > a reason. The physical act of abducting people,
                              > > > > which is the
                              > > > > abduction
                              > > > > > phenomenon, really is only part of the program. So
                              > > > > what I've done
                              > > > > is kind of
                              > > > > > divided it into component parts and fleshed it out
                              > > > > a lot more. So
                              > > > > what we
                              > > > > > have here is an abduction program, a breeding
                              > > > > program, which
                              > > > > accounts for
                              > > > > > all the reproductive activity that we see, and a
                              > > > > hybridization
                              > > > > program,
                              > > > > > which is why people see hybrids all the time--as
                              > > > > babies, as
                              > > > > toddlers, as
                              > > > > > adolescents, and then as adults.
                              > > > > > And then, finally, I think all this is leading to
                              > > > > an integration
                              > > > > program in
                              > > > > > which ultimately these hybrids, who look very
                              > > > > human, will be
                              > > > > integrating
                              > > > > > into this society. And who will eventually, I
                              > > > > assume, be in control
                              > > > > here
                              > > > > > because they do have superior technology and
                              > > > > superior physiological
                              > > > > > abilities that we do not have. We would therefore
                              > > > > be sort of second-
                              > > > > class
                              > > > > > citizens, I think.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Now, I find this to be very disturbing. And the
                              > > > > interesting thing
                              > > > > is that I
                              > > > > > don't really see other scenarios. I know that
                              > > > > people feel it's
                              > > > > positive and
                              > > > > > it's wonderful, and all the rest of that. And
                              > > > > they're here to help
                              > > > > us. But
                              > > > > > in the cases that I've investigated, very
                              > > > > carefully, very
                              > > > > thoroughly, for a
                              > > > > > very long time, I have not had people discuss
                              > > > > that. When people
                              > > > > discuss the
                              > > > > > future, generally speaking, they are discussing
                              > > > > this integration
                              > > > > program
                              > > > > > that they're confronting, and we're all
                              > > > > confronting. I've been
                              > > > > involved with
                              > > > > > UFO research for about 32 years now, since about
                              > > > > 1965, and I have
                              > > > > never been
                              > > > > > downcast or depressed about the phenomenon. I have
                              > > > > never been
                              > > > > pessimistic
                              > > > > > about it. I've always been filled with wonder and
                              > > > > awe and amazement
                              > > > > at it.
                              > > > > > I've been enthusiastic and optimistic about it.
                              > > > > > But I must say that now that I've learned as much
                              > > > > as I have
                              > > > > learned, and I
                              > > > > > think I've learned an awful lot, I am very, very
                              > > > > unsettled and
                              > > > > upset by what
                              > > > > > I see. I don't like what I see. I wish I didn't
                              > > > > see this. I wish I
                              > > > > hadn't
                              > > > > > uncovered this. I despair of it. It's thrown me
                              > > > > into a tremendous
                              > > > > sense of
                              > > > > > concern about the future and unease. I just don't
                              > > > > like it very
                              > > > > much. I wish
                              > > > > > I did. I don't want to be this way. I don't want
                              > > > > to be the bearer
                              > > > > of bad
                              > > > > > news. I could not have ever imagined that I would
                              > > > > come to this
                              > > > > position.
                              > > > > > What I'm seeing now, what I've found with the
                              > > > > phenomenon, I could
                              > > > > never have
                              > > > > > imagined.
                              > > > > > Now, though, I am persuaded by the evidence. I
                              > > > > think that we are
                              > > > > looking at
                              > > > > > a very serious business happening in front of us.
                              > > > > As you know, the
                              > > > > UFO and
                              > > > > > abduction phenomena is very, very widespread. And
                              > > > > people
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                            • Michael Horn
                              I ve heard about this too but the number reported, let alone verified, hardly constitutes evidence of an immense alien presence let alone conspiracy. ... ===
                              Message 14 of 19 , May 5, 2002
                                I've heard about this too but the number reported, let
                                alone verified, hardly constitutes evidence of an
                                immense alien presence let alone conspiracy.



                                --- uwrk <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                > Actually, there have been reports of recovered
                                > implants, supposedly
                                > from ETs, but I don't know if they're credible.---
                                > In
                                > darkufo@y..., "Mike Menkin" <mmenkin@h...> wrote:
                                > > You are correct, we don't have positive proof.
                                > That's a major
                                > problem. My
                                > > strategy is to keep giving thought screen helmets
                                > to abductees and
                                > hope
                                > > somehow we can get positive proof. The thought
                                > screen helmet does
                                > work and
                                > > it does stop the aliens from taking people. I had
                                > children who
                                > were still
                                > > taken on their way home from school until I made
                                > them a cloth hat
                                > lined with
                                > > 8 sheets of Velostat which also worked.
                                > >
                                > > Several abductees I work with say the aliens will
                                > do something
                                > soon. Just
                                > > what that is I do not know, but I don't think it's
                                > going to be nice.
                                > >
                                > > If you are an abductee or know one, please call me
                                > at 425-454-
                                > 2355. I will
                                > > make one and send it to you to try for free. Each
                                > helmet takes
                                > about 4
                                > > hours to make and costs me $40.
                                > >
                                > > Michael Menkin
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > >From: uwrk <no_reply@y...>
                                > > >Reply-To: darkufo@y...
                                > > >To: darkufo@y...
                                > > >Subject: [DarkUFO] Re: MyView
                                > > >Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 13:14:07 -0000
                                > > >
                                > > >Yes, real evidence seems wanting, which is why I
                                > think Jacobs
                                > > >overemphasizes this aspect of the phenomenon.---
                                > In darkufo@y...,
                                > > >Michael Horn <michaelhorn812@y...> wrote:
                                > > > > With all this talk about hybrids, as if it's
                                > an
                                > > > > established fact, will somebody please offer a
                                > little
                                > > > > proof...and not just stuff based on hypnotic
                                > > > > regressions and mass hysteria.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > MH
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > --- uwrk <no_reply@y...> wrote:
                                > > > > > I read "The Threat" and am in full agreement
                                > that
                                > > > > > the culmination of
                                > > > > > the alien plan will witness a major
                                > dimunition of
                                > > > > > the "freedoms"
                                > > > > > people have now. But I'm suspicious of
                                > Jacobs. His
                                > > > > > apparent rejection
                                > > > > > of Roswell and the coverup is wrong IMHO,
                                > and even
                                > > > > > suggestive of
                                > > > > > collaboration with the government on
                                > disinformation
                                > > > > > schemes like C.
                                > > > > > Brown and Corso. Nor is abduction and
                                > hybridization
                                > > > > > all there is to
                                > > > > > the alien plan, if it is really important at
                                > all-I
                                > > > > > see no evidence of
                                > > > > > a hybrid takeover even years after Jacobs
                                > wrote that
                                > > > > > the final stage
                                > > > > > is near.--- In darkufo@y..., "Mike Menkin"
                                > > > > > <mmenkin@h...> wrote:
                                > > > > > > Here's what is really going on. an
                                > interview with
                                > > > > > Dave Jacobs
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Q. And A. With David Jacobs On "The
                                > Threat"
                                > > > > > > By Sean Casteel
                                > > > > > > Temple University professor David Jacobs,
                                > Ph.D.,
                                > > > > > the author of the
                                > > > > > highly
                                > > > > > > regarded books "The UFO Controversy In
                                > America"
                                > > > > > and "Secret Life,"
                                > > > > > has spent
                                > > > > > > more than 30 years researching UFOs and
                                > alien
                                > > > > > abduction. But it was
                                > > > > > only
                                > > > > > > recently that he came to feel he had
                                > solved the
                                > > > > > mystery to his own
                                > > > > > > satisfaction. The solutions he arrived at
                                > are the
                                > > > > > subject of his
                                > > > > > third book,
                                > > > > > > "The Threat: What The Aliens Really Want
                                > And How
                                > > > > > They Plan To Get
                                > > > > > It" (Simon
                                > > > > > > and Schuster, 1998).
                                > > > > > > Finding what he believes to be the answers
                                > was not
                                > > > > > a happy event
                                > > > > > for Jacobs.
                                > > > > > > He told us recently that he now approaches
                                > the
                                > > > > > subject with an
                                > > > > > attitude of
                                > > > > > > dread and deep concern about the future of
                                > > > > > humanity and the planet
                                > > > > > we call
                                > > > > > > home.
                                > > > > > > Casteel: What do the aliens really want?
                                > > > > > > Jacobs: Well, you know, the ultimate
                                > question I
                                > > > > > think to ask for
                                > > > > > the UFO
                                > > > > > > phenomenon is "Just what the hell do you
                                > think
                                > > > > > they're here for?"
                                > > > > > That's the
                                > > > > > > question that I've tried to address in
                                > this
                                > > > > > book--what is this all
                                > > > > > about?
                                > > > > > > What is happening here? Why is this
                                > happening? Why
                                > > > > > are people
                                > > > > > saying that
                                > > > > > > these events are happening? So what I've
                                > done then
                                > > > > > is try to answer
                                > > > > > those
                                > > > > > > questions as best I can by using as much
                                > > > > > information as I can from
                                > > > > > eleven
                                > > > > > > years of fairly intensive research into
                                > > > > > abductions.
                                > > > > > > And what I've been able to find is that
                                > this is a
                                > > > > > program. They're
                                > > > > > not here
                                > > > > > > just because they're examining people, or
                                > studying
                                > > > > > people, or
                                > > > > > experimenting
                                > > > > > > on people. I don't know, Sean, if you
                                > remember I
                                > > > > > gave a talk about
                                > > > > > that in
                                > > > > > > Los Angeles when I saw you. So they're not
                                > here to
                                > > > > > sort
                                > > > > > of "examine" us in
                                > > > > > > some way. They're here on a mission.
                                > They're here
                                > > > > > with a goal in
                                > > > > > mind.
                                > > > > > > They've got a program, and it's a program
                                > with a
                                > > > > > beginning, a
                                > > > > > middle and an
                                > > > > > > end. It's a program that is goal-directed
                                > and I
                                > > > > > think we're
                                > > > > > entering into
                                > > > > > > sort of the end-phase of this program. I
                                > think
                                > > > > > that we're moving
                                > > > > > towards the
                                > > > > > > end of this.
                                > > > > > > And the program ultimately is not
                                > abducting
                                > > > > > people. Abductions, you
                                > > > > > have to
                                > > > > > > remember, are a means to an end. They're
                                > abducting
                                > > > > > people for a
                                > > > > > purpose, for
                                > > > > > > a reason. The physical act of abducting
                                > people,
                                > > > > > which is the
                                > > > > > abduction
                                >
                                === message truncated ===


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                              • Mike Menkin
                                Roger Leir has two books on the subject and a website, the Aliens and the Scalpel. Michael Menkin ...
                                Message 15 of 19 , May 5, 2002
                                  Roger Leir has two books on the subject and a website, the Aliens and the
                                  Scalpel.

                                  Michael Menkin


                                  >From: uwrk <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
                                  >Reply-To: darkufo@yahoogroups.com
                                  >To: darkufo@yahoogroups.com
                                  >Subject: [DarkUFO] Re: MyView
                                  >Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 15:25:22 -0000
                                  >
                                  >Actually, there have been reports of recovered implants, supposedly
                                  >from ETs, but I don't know if they're credible.--- In
                                  >darkufo@y..., "Mike Menkin" <mmenkin@h...> wrote:
                                  > > You are correct, we don't have positive proof. That's a major
                                  >problem. My
                                  > > strategy is to keep giving thought screen helmets to abductees and
                                  >hope
                                  > > somehow we can get positive proof. The thought screen helmet does
                                  >work and
                                  > > it does stop the aliens from taking people. I had children who
                                  >were still
                                  > > taken on their way home from school until I made them a cloth hat
                                  >lined with
                                  > > 8 sheets of Velostat which also worked.
                                  > >
                                  > > Several abductees I work with say the aliens will do something
                                  >soon. Just
                                  > > what that is I do not know, but I don't think it's going to be nice.
                                  > >
                                  > > If you are an abductee or know one, please call me at 425-454-
                                  >2355. I will
                                  > > make one and send it to you to try for free. Each helmet takes
                                  >about 4
                                  > > hours to make and costs me $40.
                                  > >
                                  > > Michael Menkin
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > >From: uwrk <no_reply@y...>
                                  > > >Reply-To: darkufo@y...
                                  > > >To: darkufo@y...
                                  > > >Subject: [DarkUFO] Re: MyView
                                  > > >Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 13:14:07 -0000
                                  > > >
                                  > > >Yes, real evidence seems wanting, which is why I think Jacobs
                                  > > >overemphasizes this aspect of the phenomenon.--- In darkufo@y...,
                                  > > >Michael Horn <michaelhorn812@y...> wrote:
                                  > > > > With all this talk about hybrids, as if it's an
                                  > > > > established fact, will somebody please offer a little
                                  > > > > proof...and not just stuff based on hypnotic
                                  > > > > regressions and mass hysteria.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > MH
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > --- uwrk <no_reply@y...> wrote:
                                  > > > > > I read "The Threat" and am in full agreement that
                                  > > > > > the culmination of
                                  > > > > > the alien plan will witness a major dimunition of
                                  > > > > > the "freedoms"
                                  > > > > > people have now. But I'm suspicious of Jacobs. His
                                  > > > > > apparent rejection
                                  > > > > > of Roswell and the coverup is wrong IMHO, and even
                                  > > > > > suggestive of
                                  > > > > > collaboration with the government on disinformation
                                  > > > > > schemes like C.
                                  > > > > > Brown and Corso. Nor is abduction and hybridization
                                  > > > > > all there is to
                                  > > > > > the alien plan, if it is really important at all-I
                                  > > > > > see no evidence of
                                  > > > > > a hybrid takeover even years after Jacobs wrote that
                                  > > > > > the final stage
                                  > > > > > is near.--- In darkufo@y..., "Mike Menkin"
                                  > > > > > <mmenkin@h...> wrote:
                                  > > > > > > Here's what is really going on. an interview with
                                  > > > > > Dave Jacobs
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Q. And A. With David Jacobs On "The Threat"
                                  > > > > > > By Sean Casteel
                                  > > > > > > Temple University professor David Jacobs, Ph.D.,
                                  > > > > > the author of the
                                  > > > > > highly
                                  > > > > > > regarded books "The UFO Controversy In America"
                                  > > > > > and "Secret Life,"
                                  > > > > > has spent
                                  > > > > > > more than 30 years researching UFOs and alien
                                  > > > > > abduction. But it was
                                  > > > > > only
                                  > > > > > > recently that he came to feel he had solved the
                                  > > > > > mystery to his own
                                  > > > > > > satisfaction. The solutions he arrived at are the
                                  > > > > > subject of his
                                  > > > > > third book,
                                  > > > > > > "The Threat: What The Aliens Really Want And How
                                  > > > > > They Plan To Get
                                  > > > > > It" (Simon
                                  > > > > > > and Schuster, 1998).
                                  > > > > > > Finding what he believes to be the answers was not
                                  > > > > > a happy event
                                  > > > > > for Jacobs.
                                  > > > > > > He told us recently that he now approaches the
                                  > > > > > subject with an
                                  > > > > > attitude of
                                  > > > > > > dread and deep concern about the future of
                                  > > > > > humanity and the planet
                                  > > > > > we call
                                  > > > > > > home.
                                  > > > > > > Casteel: What do the aliens really want?
                                  > > > > > > Jacobs: Well, you know, the ultimate question I
                                  > > > > > think to ask for
                                  > > > > > the UFO
                                  > > > > > > phenomenon is "Just what the hell do you think
                                  > > > > > they're here for?"
                                  > > > > > That's the
                                  > > > > > > question that I've tried to address in this
                                  > > > > > book--what is this all
                                  > > > > > about?
                                  > > > > > > What is happening here? Why is this happening? Why
                                  > > > > > are people
                                  > > > > > saying that
                                  > > > > > > these events are happening? So what I've done then
                                  > > > > > is try to answer
                                  > > > > > those
                                  > > > > > > questions as best I can by using as much
                                  > > > > > information as I can from
                                  > > > > > eleven
                                  > > > > > > years of fairly intensive research into
                                  > > > > > abductions.
                                  > > > > > > And what I've been able to find is that this is a
                                  > > > > > program. They're
                                  > > > > > not here
                                  > > > > > > just because they're examining people, or studying
                                  > > > > > people, or
                                  > > > > > experimenting
                                  > > > > > > on people. I don't know, Sean, if you remember I
                                  > > > > > gave a talk about
                                  > > > > > that in
                                  > > > > > > Los Angeles when I saw you. So they're not here to
                                  > > > > > sort
                                  > > > > > of "examine" us in
                                  > > > > > > some way. They're here on a mission. They're here
                                  > > > > > with a goal in
                                  > > > > > mind.
                                  > > > > > > They've got a program, and it's a program with a
                                  > > > > > beginning, a
                                  > > > > > middle and an
                                  > > > > > > end. It's a program that is goal-directed and I
                                  > > > > > think we're
                                  > > > > > entering into
                                  > > > > > > sort of the end-phase of this program. I think
                                  > > > > > that we're moving
                                  > > > > > towards the
                                  > > > > > > end of this.
                                  > > > > > > And the program ultimately is not abducting
                                  > > > > > people. Abductions, you
                                  > > > > > have to
                                  > > > > > > remember, are a means to an end. They're abducting
                                  > > > > > people for a
                                  > > > > > purpose, for
                                  > > > > > > a reason. The physical act of abducting people,
                                  > > > > > which is the
                                  > > > > > abduction
                                  > > > > > > phenomenon, really is only part of the program. So
                                  > > > > > what I've done
                                  > > > > > is kind of
                                  > > > > > > divided it into component parts and fleshed it out
                                  > > > > > a lot more. So
                                  > > > > > what we
                                  > > > > > > have here is an abduction program, a breeding
                                  > > > > > program, which
                                  > > > > > accounts for
                                  > > > > > > all the reproductive activity that we see, and a
                                  > > > > > hybridization
                                  > > > > > program,
                                  > > > > > > which is why people see hybrids all the time--as
                                  > > > > > babies, as
                                  > > > > > toddlers, as
                                  > > > > > > adolescents, and then as adults.
                                  > > > > > > And then, finally, I think all this is leading to
                                  > > > > > an integration
                                  > > > > > program in
                                  > > > > > > which ultimately these hybrids, who look very
                                  > > > > > human, will be
                                  > > > > > integrating
                                  > > > > > > into this society. And who will eventually, I
                                  > > > > > assume, be in control
                                  > > > > > here
                                  > > > > > > because they do have superior technology and
                                  > > > > > superior physiological
                                  > > > > > > abilities that we do not have. We would therefore
                                  > > > > > be sort of second-
                                  > > > > > class
                                  > > > > > > citizens, I think.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Now, I find this to be very disturbing. And the
                                  > > > > > interesting thing
                                  > > > > > is that I
                                  > > > > > > don't really see other scenarios. I know that
                                  > > > > > people feel it's
                                  > > > > > positive and
                                  > > > > > > it's wonderful, and all the rest of that. And
                                  > > > > > they're here to help
                                  > > > > > us. But
                                  > > > > > > in the cases that I've investigated, very
                                  > > > > > carefully, very
                                  > > > > > thoroughly, for a
                                  > > > > > > very long time, I have not had people discuss
                                  > > > > > that. When people
                                  > > > > > discuss the
                                  > > > > > > future, generally speaking, they are discussing
                                  > > > > > this integration
                                  > > > > > program
                                  > > > > > > that they're confronting, and we're all
                                  > > > > > confronting. I've been
                                  > > > > > involved with
                                  > > > > > > UFO research for about 32 years now, since about
                                  > > > > > 1965, and I have
                                  > > > > > never been
                                  > > > > > > downcast or depressed about the phenomenon. I have
                                  > > > > > never been
                                  > > > > > pessimistic
                                  > > > > > > about it. I've always been filled with wonder and
                                  > > > > > awe and amazement
                                  > > > > > at it.
                                  > > > > > > I've been enthusiastic and optimistic about it.
                                  > > > > > > But I must say that now that I've learned as much
                                  > > > > > as I have
                                  > > > > > learned, and I
                                  > > > > > > think I've learned an awful lot, I am very, very
                                  > > > > > unsettled and
                                  > > > > > upset by what
                                  > > > > > > I see. I don't like what I see. I wish I didn't
                                  > > > > > see this. I wish I
                                  > > > > > hadn't
                                  > > > > > > uncovered this. I despair of it. It's thrown me
                                  > > > > > into a tremendous
                                  > > > > > sense of
                                  > > > > > > concern about the future and unease. I just don't
                                  > > > > > like it very
                                  > > > > > much. I wish
                                  > > > > > > I did. I don't want to be this way. I don't want
                                  > > > > > to be the bearer
                                  > > > > > of bad
                                  > > > > > > news. I could not have ever imagined that I would
                                  > > > > > come to this
                                  > > > > > position.
                                  > > > > > > What I'm seeing now, what I've found with the
                                  > > > > > phenomenon, I could
                                  > > > > > never have
                                  > > > > > > imagined.
                                  > > > > > > Now, though, I am persuaded by the evidence. I
                                  > > > > > think that we are
                                  > > > > > looking at
                                  > > > > > > a very serious business happening in front of us.
                                  > > > > > As you know, the
                                  > > > > > UFO and
                                  > > > > > > abduction phenomena is very, very widespread. And
                                  > > > > > people
                                  > > > > === message truncated ===
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                                  > > > >
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                                  There is no similarity. So far two abductees who wore their helmets for several months and forgot to wear them one night were beaten. We have enough videos of
                                  Message 16 of 19 , May 5, 2002
                                    There is no similarity. So far two abductees who wore their helmets for
                                    several months and forgot to wear them one night were beaten.

                                    We have enough videos of UFOs to see that they are for real.

                                    I am still offering the helmet for abductees to try. It is for free.

                                    I can only quote Dave Jacobs and say time will tell.

                                    Michael Menkin


                                    >From: Michael Horn <michaelhorn812@...>
                                    >Reply-To: darkufo@yahoogroups.com
                                    >To: darkufo@yahoogroups.com
                                    >Subject: Re: [DarkUFO] Re: MyView
                                    >Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 22:32:45 -0700 (PDT)
                                    >
                                    >Ah, respectfully, there is an old story about someone
                                    >who was snapping their fingers loudly.
                                    >Another person asked them what they were doing.
                                    >The finger-snapper said, "Keeping the elephants away."
                                    >Other person says, "But there are no elephants here."
                                    >Finger-snapper says, "See, I told you it worked!"
                                    >
                                    >Could there be any similarities here...?
                                    >
                                    >MH
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >--- Mike Menkin <mmenkin@...> wrote:
                                    > > You are correct, we don't have positive proof.
                                    > > That's a major problem. My
                                    > > strategy is to keep giving thought screen helmets to
                                    > > abductees and hope
                                    > > somehow we can get positive proof. The thought
                                    > > screen helmet does work and
                                    > > it does stop the aliens from taking people. I had
                                    > > children who were still
                                    > > taken on their way home from school until I made
                                    > > them a cloth hat lined with
                                    > > 8 sheets of Velostat which also worked.
                                    > >
                                    > > Several abductees I work with say the aliens will do
                                    > > something soon. Just
                                    > > what that is I do not know, but I don't think it's
                                    > > going to be nice.
                                    > >
                                    > > If you are an abductee or know one, please call me
                                    > > at 425-454-2355. I will
                                    > > make one and send it to you to try for free. Each
                                    > > helmet takes about 4
                                    > > hours to make and costs me $40.
                                    > >
                                    > > Michael Menkin
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > >From: uwrk <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > >Reply-To: darkufo@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > >To: darkufo@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > >Subject: [DarkUFO] Re: MyView
                                    > > >Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 13:14:07 -0000
                                    > > >
                                    > > >Yes, real evidence seems wanting, which is why I
                                    > > think Jacobs
                                    > > >overemphasizes this aspect of the phenomenon.--- In
                                    > > darkufo@y...,
                                    > > >Michael Horn <michaelhorn812@y...> wrote:
                                    > > > > With all this talk about hybrids, as if it's an
                                    > > > > established fact, will somebody please offer a
                                    > > little
                                    > > > > proof...and not just stuff based on hypnotic
                                    > > > > regressions and mass hysteria.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > MH
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > --- uwrk <no_reply@y...> wrote:
                                    > > > > > I read "The Threat" and am in full agreement
                                    > > that
                                    > > > > > the culmination of
                                    > > > > > the alien plan will witness a major dimunition
                                    > > of
                                    > > > > > the "freedoms"
                                    > > > > > people have now. But I'm suspicious of Jacobs.
                                    > > His
                                    > > > > > apparent rejection
                                    > > > > > of Roswell and the coverup is wrong IMHO, and
                                    > > even
                                    > > > > > suggestive of
                                    > > > > > collaboration with the government on
                                    > > disinformation
                                    > > > > > schemes like C.
                                    > > > > > Brown and Corso. Nor is abduction and
                                    > > hybridization
                                    > > > > > all there is to
                                    > > > > > the alien plan, if it is really important at
                                    > > all-I
                                    > > > > > see no evidence of
                                    > > > > > a hybrid takeover even years after Jacobs
                                    > > wrote that
                                    > > > > > the final stage
                                    > > > > > is near.--- In darkufo@y..., "Mike Menkin"
                                    > > > > > <mmenkin@h...> wrote:
                                    > > > > > > Here's what is really going on. an
                                    > > interview with
                                    > > > > > Dave Jacobs
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > Q. And A. With David Jacobs On "The Threat"
                                    > > > > > > By Sean Casteel
                                    > > > > > > Temple University professor David Jacobs,
                                    > > Ph.D.,
                                    > > > > > the author of the
                                    > > > > > highly
                                    > > > > > > regarded books "The UFO Controversy In
                                    > > America"
                                    > > > > > and "Secret Life,"
                                    > > > > > has spent
                                    > > > > > > more than 30 years researching UFOs and
                                    > > alien
                                    > > > > > abduction. But it was
                                    > > > > > only
                                    > > > > > > recently that he came to feel he had solved
                                    > > the
                                    > > > > > mystery to his own
                                    > > > > > > satisfaction. The solutions he arrived at
                                    > > are the
                                    > > > > > subject of his
                                    > > > > > third book,
                                    > > > > > > "The Threat: What The Aliens Really Want And
                                    > > How
                                    > > > > > They Plan To Get
                                    > > > > > It" (Simon
                                    > > > > > > and Schuster, 1998).
                                    > > > > > > Finding what he believes to be the answers
                                    > > was not
                                    > > > > > a happy event
                                    > > > > > for Jacobs.
                                    > > > > > > He told us recently that he now approaches
                                    > > the
                                    > > > > > subject with an
                                    > > > > > attitude of
                                    > > > > > > dread and deep concern about the future of
                                    > > > > > humanity and the planet
                                    > > > > > we call
                                    > > > > > > home.
                                    > > > > > > Casteel: What do the aliens really want?
                                    > > > > > > Jacobs: Well, you know, the ultimate
                                    > > question I
                                    > > > > > think to ask for
                                    > > > > > the UFO
                                    > > > > > > phenomenon is "Just what the hell do you
                                    > > think
                                    > > > > > they're here for?"
                                    > > > > > That's the
                                    > > > > > > question that I've tried to address in this
                                    > > > > > book--what is this all
                                    > > > > > about?
                                    > > > > > > What is happening here? Why is this
                                    > > happening? Why
                                    > > > > > are people
                                    > > > > > saying that
                                    > > > > > > these events are happening? So what I've
                                    > > done then
                                    > > > > > is try to answer
                                    > > > > > those
                                    > > > > > > questions as best I can by using as much
                                    > > > > > information as I can from
                                    > > > > > eleven
                                    > > > > > > years of fairly intensive research into
                                    > > > > > abductions.
                                    > > > > > > And what I've been able to find is that this
                                    > > is a
                                    > > > > > program. They're
                                    > > > > > not here
                                    > > > > > > just because they're examining people, or
                                    > > studying
                                    > > > > > people, or
                                    > > > > > experimenting
                                    > > > > > > on people. I don't know, Sean, if you
                                    > > remember I
                                    > > > > > gave a talk about
                                    > > > > > that in
                                    > > > > > > Los Angeles when I saw you. So they're not
                                    > > here to
                                    > > > > > sort
                                    > > > > > of "examine" us in
                                    > > > > > > some way. They're here on a mission. They're
                                    > > here
                                    > > > > > with a goal in
                                    > > > > > mind.
                                    > > > > > > They've got a program, and it's a program
                                    > > with a
                                    > > > > > beginning, a
                                    > > > > > middle and an
                                    > > > > > > end. It's a program that is goal-directed
                                    > > and I
                                    > > > > > think we're
                                    > > > > > entering into
                                    > > > > > > sort of the end-phase of this program. I
                                    > > think
                                    > > > > > that we're moving
                                    > > > > > towards the
                                    > > > > > > end of this.
                                    > > > > > > And the program ultimately is not abducting
                                    > > > > > people. Abductions, you
                                    > > > > > have to
                                    > > > > > > remember, are a means to an end. They're
                                    > > abducting
                                    > > > > > people for a
                                    > > > > > purpose, for
                                    > > > > > > a reason. The physical act of abducting
                                    > > people,
                                    > > > > > which is the
                                    > > > > > abduction
                                    > > > > > > phenomenon, really is only part of the
                                    > > program. So
                                    > > > > > what I've done
                                    > > > > > is kind of
                                    > > > > > > divided it into component parts and fleshed
                                    > > it out
                                    > > > > > a lot more. So
                                    > > > > > what we
                                    > > > > > > have here is an abduction program, a
                                    > > breeding
                                    > > > > > program, which
                                    > > > > > accounts for
                                    > > > > > > all the reproductive activity that we see,
                                    > > and a
                                    > > > > > hybridization
                                    > > > > > program,
                                    > > > > > > which is why people see hybrids all the
                                    > > time--as
                                    > >
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                                  • Mike Menkin
                                    I don t see any hysteria. Dave Jacobs is just down. Again, we will see. There is no real proof but I do work with children and the aliens are doing something
                                    Message 17 of 19 , May 5, 2002
                                      I don't see any hysteria. Dave Jacobs is just down.

                                      Again, we will see. There is no real proof but I do work with children and
                                      the aliens are doing something to them and the kids are frightened.

                                      There is something going on.

                                      Michael Menkin


                                      >From: Michael Horn <michaelhorn812@...>
                                      >Reply-To: darkufo@yahoogroups.com
                                      >To: darkufo@yahoogroups.com
                                      >Subject: Re: [DarkUFO] Re: MyView
                                      >Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 22:28:54 -0700 (PDT)
                                      >
                                      >Yes, seems like a bit of hysteria that makes for
                                      >interesting conversation but with little substance...
                                      >
                                      >MH
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >--- uwrk <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                      > > Yes, real evidence seems wanting, which is why I
                                      > > think Jacobs
                                      > > overemphasizes this aspect of the phenomenon.--- In
                                      > > darkufo@y...,
                                      > > Michael Horn <michaelhorn812@y...> wrote:
                                      > > > With all this talk about hybrids, as if it's an
                                      > > > established fact, will somebody please offer a
                                      > > little
                                      > > > proof...and not just stuff based on hypnotic
                                      > > > regressions and mass hysteria.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > MH
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > --- uwrk <no_reply@y...> wrote:
                                      > > > > I read "The Threat" and am in full agreement
                                      > > that
                                      > > > > the culmination of
                                      > > > > the alien plan will witness a major dimunition
                                      > > of
                                      > > > > the "freedoms"
                                      > > > > people have now. But I'm suspicious of Jacobs.
                                      > > His
                                      > > > > apparent rejection
                                      > > > > of Roswell and the coverup is wrong IMHO, and
                                      > > even
                                      > > > > suggestive of
                                      > > > > collaboration with the government on
                                      > > disinformation
                                      > > > > schemes like C.
                                      > > > > Brown and Corso. Nor is abduction and
                                      > > hybridization
                                      > > > > all there is to
                                      > > > > the alien plan, if it is really important at
                                      > > all-I
                                      > > > > see no evidence of
                                      > > > > a hybrid takeover even years after Jacobs wrote
                                      > > that
                                      > > > > the final stage
                                      > > > > is near.--- In darkufo@y..., "Mike Menkin"
                                      > > > > <mmenkin@h...> wrote:
                                      > > > > > Here's what is really going on. an interview
                                      > > with
                                      > > > > Dave Jacobs
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Q. And A. With David Jacobs On "The Threat"
                                      > > > > > By Sean Casteel
                                      > > > > > Temple University professor David Jacobs,
                                      > > Ph.D.,
                                      > > > > the author of the
                                      > > > > highly
                                      > > > > > regarded books "The UFO Controversy In
                                      > > America"
                                      > > > > and "Secret Life,"
                                      > > > > has spent
                                      > > > > > more than 30 years researching UFOs and alien
                                      > > > > abduction. But it was
                                      > > > > only
                                      > > > > > recently that he came to feel he had solved
                                      > > the
                                      > > > > mystery to his own
                                      > > > > > satisfaction. The solutions he arrived at are
                                      > > the
                                      > > > > subject of his
                                      > > > > third book,
                                      > > > > > "The Threat: What The Aliens Really Want And
                                      > > How
                                      > > > > They Plan To Get
                                      > > > > It" (Simon
                                      > > > > > and Schuster, 1998).
                                      > > > > > Finding what he believes to be the answers was
                                      > > not
                                      > > > > a happy event
                                      > > > > for Jacobs.
                                      > > > > > He told us recently that he now approaches the
                                      > > > > subject with an
                                      > > > > attitude of
                                      > > > > > dread and deep concern about the future of
                                      > > > > humanity and the planet
                                      > > > > we call
                                      > > > > > home.
                                      > > > > > Casteel: What do the aliens really want?
                                      > > > > > Jacobs: Well, you know, the ultimate question
                                      > > I
                                      > > > > think to ask for
                                      > > > > the UFO
                                      > > > > > phenomenon is "Just what the hell do you think
                                      > > > > they're here for?"
                                      > > > > That's the
                                      > > > > > question that I've tried to address in this
                                      > > > > book--what is this all
                                      > > > > about?
                                      > > > > > What is happening here? Why is this happening?
                                      > > Why
                                      > > > > are people
                                      > > > > saying that
                                      > > > > > these events are happening? So what I've done
                                      > > then
                                      > > > > is try to answer
                                      > > > > those
                                      > > > > > questions as best I can by using as much
                                      > > > > information as I can from
                                      > > > > eleven
                                      > > > > > years of fairly intensive research into
                                      > > > > abductions.
                                      > > > > > And what I've been able to find is that this
                                      > > is a
                                      > > > > program. They're
                                      > > > > not here
                                      > > > > > just because they're examining people, or
                                      > > studying
                                      > > > > people, or
                                      > > > > experimenting
                                      > > > > > on people. I don't know, Sean, if you remember
                                      > > I
                                      > > > > gave a talk about
                                      > > > > that in
                                      > > > > > Los Angeles when I saw you. So they're not
                                      > > here to
                                      > > > > sort
                                      > > > > of "examine" us in
                                      > > > > > some way. They're here on a mission. They're
                                      > > here
                                      > > > > with a goal in
                                      > > > > mind.
                                      > > > > > They've got a program, and it's a program with
                                      > > a
                                      > > > > beginning, a
                                      > > > > middle and an
                                      > > > > > end. It's a program that is goal-directed and
                                      > > I
                                      > > > > think we're
                                      > > > > entering into
                                      > > > > > sort of the end-phase of this program. I think
                                      > > > > that we're moving
                                      > > > > towards the
                                      > > > > > end of this.
                                      > > > > > And the program ultimately is not abducting
                                      > > > > people. Abductions, you
                                      > > > > have to
                                      > > > > > remember, are a means to an end. They're
                                      > > abducting
                                      > > > > people for a
                                      > > > > purpose, for
                                      > > > > > a reason. The physical act of abducting
                                      > > people,
                                      > > > > which is the
                                      > > > > abduction
                                      > > > > > phenomenon, really is only part of the
                                      > > program. So
                                      > > > > what I've done
                                      > > > > is kind of
                                      > > > > > divided it into component parts and fleshed it
                                      > > out
                                      > > > > a lot more. So
                                      > > > > what we
                                      > > > > > have here is an abduction program, a breeding
                                      > > > > program, which
                                      > > > > accounts for
                                      > > > > > all the reproductive activity that we see, and
                                      > > a
                                      > > > > hybridization
                                      > > > > program,
                                      > > > > > which is why people see hybrids all the
                                      > > time--as
                                      > > > > babies, as
                                      > > > > toddlers, as
                                      > > > > > adolescents, and then as adults.
                                      > > > > > And then, finally, I think all this is leading
                                      > > to
                                      > > > > an integration
                                      > > > > program in
                                      > > > > > which ultimately these hybrids, who look very
                                      > > > > human, will be
                                      > > > > integrating
                                      > > > > > into this society. And who will eventually, I
                                      > > > > assume, be in control
                                      > > > > here
                                      > > > > > because they do have superior technology and
                                      > > > > superior physiological
                                      > > > > > abilities that we do not have. We would
                                      > > therefore
                                      > > > > be sort of second-
                                      > > > > class
                                      > > > > > citizens, I think.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Now, I find this to be very disturbing. And
                                      > > the
                                      > > > > interesting thing
                                      > > > > is that I
                                      > > > > > don't really see other scenarios. I know that
                                      > > > > people feel it's
                                      > > > > positive and
                                      > > > > > it's wonderful, and all the rest of that. And
                                      > > > > they're here to help
                                      > > > > us. But
                                      > > > > > in the cases that I've investigated, very
                                      > > > > carefully, very
                                      > > > > thoroughly, for a
                                      > > > > > very long time, I have not had people discuss
                                      > > > > that. When people
                                      > >
                                      >=== message truncated ===
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                                    • Mike Menkin
                                      The only evidence if you want to call it that is that about 800 people tell Dave Jacobs similar stories. I have stories similar to his but you are right, that
                                      Message 18 of 19 , May 5, 2002
                                        The only evidence if you want to call it that is that about 800 people tell
                                        Dave Jacobs similar stories. I have stories similar to his but you are
                                        right, that isn't real evidence.

                                        I am maintaining the same strategy, however. That's all I can do. I also
                                        work full time for a living.

                                        Michael Menkin


                                        >From: Michael Horn <michaelhorn812@...>
                                        >Reply-To: darkufo@yahoogroups.com
                                        >To: darkufo@yahoogroups.com
                                        >Subject: Re: [DarkUFO] Re: MyView
                                        >Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 13:42:11 -0700 (PDT)
                                        >
                                        >I've heard about this too but the number reported, let
                                        >alone verified, hardly constitutes evidence of an
                                        >immense alien presence let alone conspiracy.
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >--- uwrk <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                        > > Actually, there have been reports of recovered
                                        > > implants, supposedly
                                        > > from ETs, but I don't know if they're credible.---
                                        > > In
                                        > > darkufo@y..., "Mike Menkin" <mmenkin@h...> wrote:
                                        > > > You are correct, we don't have positive proof.
                                        > > That's a major
                                        > > problem. My
                                        > > > strategy is to keep giving thought screen helmets
                                        > > to abductees and
                                        > > hope
                                        > > > somehow we can get positive proof. The thought
                                        > > screen helmet does
                                        > > work and
                                        > > > it does stop the aliens from taking people. I had
                                        > > children who
                                        > > were still
                                        > > > taken on their way home from school until I made
                                        > > them a cloth hat
                                        > > lined with
                                        > > > 8 sheets of Velostat which also worked.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Several abductees I work with say the aliens will
                                        > > do something
                                        > > soon. Just
                                        > > > what that is I do not know, but I don't think it's
                                        > > going to be nice.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > If you are an abductee or know one, please call me
                                        > > at 425-454-
                                        > > 2355. I will
                                        > > > make one and send it to you to try for free. Each
                                        > > helmet takes
                                        > > about 4
                                        > > > hours to make and costs me $40.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Michael Menkin
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > >From: uwrk <no_reply@y...>
                                        > > > >Reply-To: darkufo@y...
                                        > > > >To: darkufo@y...
                                        > > > >Subject: [DarkUFO] Re: MyView
                                        > > > >Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 13:14:07 -0000
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >Yes, real evidence seems wanting, which is why I
                                        > > think Jacobs
                                        > > > >overemphasizes this aspect of the phenomenon.---
                                        > > In darkufo@y...,
                                        > > > >Michael Horn <michaelhorn812@y...> wrote:
                                        > > > > > With all this talk about hybrids, as if it's
                                        > > an
                                        > > > > > established fact, will somebody please offer a
                                        > > little
                                        > > > > > proof...and not just stuff based on hypnotic
                                        > > > > > regressions and mass hysteria.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > MH
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > --- uwrk <no_reply@y...> wrote:
                                        > > > > > > I read "The Threat" and am in full agreement
                                        > > that
                                        > > > > > > the culmination of
                                        > > > > > > the alien plan will witness a major
                                        > > dimunition of
                                        > > > > > > the "freedoms"
                                        > > > > > > people have now. But I'm suspicious of
                                        > > Jacobs. His
                                        > > > > > > apparent rejection
                                        > > > > > > of Roswell and the coverup is wrong IMHO,
                                        > > and even
                                        > > > > > > suggestive of
                                        > > > > > > collaboration with the government on
                                        > > disinformation
                                        > > > > > > schemes like C.
                                        > > > > > > Brown and Corso. Nor is abduction and
                                        > > hybridization
                                        > > > > > > all there is to
                                        > > > > > > the alien plan, if it is really important at
                                        > > all-I
                                        > > > > > > see no evidence of
                                        > > > > > > a hybrid takeover even years after Jacobs
                                        > > wrote that
                                        > > > > > > the final stage
                                        > > > > > > is near.--- In darkufo@y..., "Mike Menkin"
                                        > > > > > > <mmenkin@h...> wrote:
                                        > > > > > > > Here's what is really going on. an
                                        > > interview with
                                        > > > > > > Dave Jacobs
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > Q. And A. With David Jacobs On "The
                                        > > Threat"
                                        > > > > > > > By Sean Casteel
                                        > > > > > > > Temple University professor David Jacobs,
                                        > > Ph.D.,
                                        > > > > > > the author of the
                                        > > > > > > highly
                                        > > > > > > > regarded books "The UFO Controversy In
                                        > > America"
                                        > > > > > > and "Secret Life,"
                                        > > > > > > has spent
                                        > > > > > > > more than 30 years researching UFOs and
                                        > > alien
                                        > > > > > > abduction. But it was
                                        > > > > > > only
                                        > > > > > > > recently that he came to feel he had
                                        > > solved the
                                        > > > > > > mystery to his own
                                        > > > > > > > satisfaction. The solutions he arrived at
                                        > > are the
                                        > > > > > > subject of his
                                        > > > > > > third book,
                                        > > > > > > > "The Threat: What The Aliens Really Want
                                        > > And How
                                        > > > > > > They Plan To Get
                                        > > > > > > It" (Simon
                                        > > > > > > > and Schuster, 1998).
                                        > > > > > > > Finding what he believes to be the answers
                                        > > was not
                                        > > > > > > a happy event
                                        > > > > > > for Jacobs.
                                        > > > > > > > He told us recently that he now approaches
                                        > > the
                                        > > > > > > subject with an
                                        > > > > > > attitude of
                                        > > > > > > > dread and deep concern about the future of
                                        > > > > > > humanity and the planet
                                        > > > > > > we call
                                        > > > > > > > home.
                                        > > > > > > > Casteel: What do the aliens really want?
                                        > > > > > > > Jacobs: Well, you know, the ultimate
                                        > > question I
                                        > > > > > > think to ask for
                                        > > > > > > the UFO
                                        > > > > > > > phenomenon is "Just what the hell do you
                                        > > think
                                        > > > > > > they're here for?"
                                        > > > > > > That's the
                                        > > > > > > > question that I've tried to address in
                                        > > this
                                        > > > > > > book--what is this all
                                        > > > > > > about?
                                        > > > > > > > What is happening here? Why is this
                                        > > happening? Why
                                        > > > > > > are people
                                        > > > > > > saying that
                                        > > > > > > > these events are happening? So what I've
                                        > > done then
                                        > > > > > > is try to answer
                                        > > > > > > those
                                        > > > > > > > questions as best I can by using as much
                                        > > > > > > information as I can from
                                        > > > > > > eleven
                                        > > > > > > > years of fairly intensive research into
                                        > > > > > > abductions.
                                        > > > > > > > And what I've been able to find is that
                                        > > this is a
                                        > > > > > > program. They're
                                        > > > > > > not here
                                        > > > > > > > just because they're examining people, or
                                        > > studying
                                        > > > > > > people, or
                                        > > > > > > experimenting
                                        > > > > > > > on people. I don't know, Sean, if you
                                        > > remember I
                                        > > > > > > gave a talk about
                                        > > > > > > that in
                                        > > > > > > > Los Angeles when I saw you. So they're not
                                        > > here to
                                        > > > > > > sort
                                        > > > > > > of "examine" us in
                                        > > > > > > > some way. They're here on a mission.
                                        > > They're here
                                        > > > > > > with a goal in
                                        > > > > > > mind.
                                        > > > > > > > They've got a program, and it's a program
                                        > > with a
                                        > > > > > > beginning, a
                                        > > > > > > middle and an
                                        > > > > > > > end. It's a program that is goal-directed
                                        > > and I
                                        > > > > > > think we're
                                        > > > > > > entering into
                                        > > > > > > > sort of the end-phase of this program. I
                                        > > think
                                        > > > > > > that we're moving
                                        > > > > > > towards the
                                        > > > > > > > end of this.
                                        > > > > > > > And the program ultimately is not
                                        > > abducting
                                        > > > > > > people. Abductions, you
                                        > > > > > > have to
                                        > > > > > > > remember, are a means to an end. They're
                                        > > abducting
                                        > > > > > > people for a
                                        > > > > > > purpose, for
                                        > > > > > > > a reason. The physical act of abducting
                                        > > people,
                                        > > > > > > which is the
                                        > > > > > > abduction
                                        > >
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