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  • Blair
    Steve Jobs, and yes there is some sort of decoding to pull the digital stream from what I understand. Blair On Dec 3, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Paul Stewart
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      Steve Jobs, and yes there is some sort of decoding to pull the digital stream from what I understand.

      Blair

      On Dec 3, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Paul Stewart <musicman32150@...> wrote:

       

      I am sure Bill Gates has done something with the firm ware and/or software. I think theirs is Apple Lossless. If the IPod out puts data during playback, I am no even sure. That would be a good A/B switch for a DAC experiment.



      To: dallasaudioclub@ yahoogroups. com
      From: blair_4@msn. com
      Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:16:54 +0000
      Subject: RE: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater

       
      Hey Paul,
       
      I'm not sure if you can pull binary off the ipod, but I'm fairly certain you cannot unless you gut it and mod it.
       
      Use your PC is you want to do this. If you want tube sound, just use your Akido preamp with your ipod feeding it. Better yet, just build a tube circuit into an old CD player you have laying around. There are plenty of tubes that will run on 50-80v, and the tranny will be small.
       
      Chris has not joined the DAC group.
       
      Blair
       


      To: dallasaudioclub@ yahoogroups. com
      From: musicman32150@hotmail.com
      Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:48:04 -0600
      Subject: RE: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater

       
      I will need two trucks to bring my line arrays.

      Chris is working on a tube DAC. I can't wait til he gets done with it so I can clone it. The wife and I like to listen to her IPod at night (could not sleep listening to mine) and I would like to pull the data+/- off the IPod  and run it through a better DAC, or even my PC WAV files.

      He is close to being finished with it and the CD transport.

      Blair, has he joined this club?

      Paul


      To: dallasaudioclub@ yahoogroups. com
      From: jimrivers3@yahoo. com
      Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:01:00 +0000
      Subject: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater

       
      And I would assume and hope Blair, Paul and David would agree. As far as I'm concerned both audio and video are welcome here. I can't live without my Onkyo receiver and 5.1 sound. But have managed to squeeze an audio tube system in the same room. They share digital switching for Internet Radio, CD and DVD. Since we've entered the new age of cell phones (and the lack of common courtesy), going to a movie and not having cell phones go off (and answered) or the bright lights of texting invade your personal space, I choose to watch movies at home most often. It's really been great. That array of of speakers must sound awsome! jim...




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    • Dave Thomas
      You can do it but it needs to be converted SPDIF or optical. There are a couple of chips that do that. There may be a dock that does it I seem to recall one.
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        You can do it but it needs to be converted SPDIF or optical. There are a couple of chips that do that. There may be a dock that does it I seem to recall one.


          From: Blair [blair_4@...]
          Sent: 12/03/2009 06:28 PM CST
          To: "dallasaudioclub@yahoogroups.com" <dallasaudioclub@yahoogroups.com>
          Subject: Re: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater


         

        Steve Jobs, and yes there is some sort of decoding to pull the digital stream from what I understand.

        Blair

        On Dec 3, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Paul Stewart <musicman32150@ hotmail.com> wrote:

         

        I am sure Bill Gates has done something with the firm ware and/or software. I think theirs is Apple Lossless. If the IPod out puts data during playback, I am no even sure. That would be a good A/B switch for a DAC experiment.



        To: dallasaudioclub@ yahoogroups. com
        From: blair_4@msn. com
        Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:16:54 +0000
        Subject: RE: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater

         
        Hey Paul,
         
        I'm not sure if you can pull binary off the ipod, but I'm fairly certain you cannot unless you gut it and mod it.
         
        Use your PC is you want to do this. If you want tube sound, just use your Akido preamp with your ipod feeding it. Better yet, just build a tube circuit into an old CD player you have laying around. There are plenty of tubes that will run on 50-80v, and the tranny will be small.
         
        Chris has not joined the DAC group.
         
        Blair
         


        To: dallasaudioclub@ yahoogroups. com
        From: musicman32150@hotmail.com
        Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:48:04 -0600
        Subject: RE: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater

         
        I will need two trucks to bring my line arrays.

        Chris is working on a tube DAC. I can't wait til he gets done with it so I can clone it. The wife and I like to listen to her IPod at night (could not sleep listening to mine) and I would like to pull the data+/- off the IPod  and run it through a better DAC, or even my PC WAV files.

        He is close to being finished with it and the CD transport.

        Blair, has he joined this club?

        Paul


        To: dallasaudioclub@ yahoogroups. com
        From: jimrivers3@yahoo. com
        Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:01:00 +0000
        Subject: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater

         
        And I would assume and hope Blair, Paul and David would agree. As far as I'm concerned both audio and video are welcome here. I can't live without my Onkyo receiver and 5.1 sound. But have managed to squeeze an audio tube system in the same room. They share digital switching for Internet Radio, CD and DVD. Since we've entered the new age of cell phones (and the lack of common courtesy), going to a movie and not having cell phones go off (and answered) or the bright lights of texting invade your personal space, I choose to watch movies at home most often. It's really been great. That array of of speakers must sound awsome! jim...




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      • Blair
        Yes. Wadia makes it. Blair On Dec 3, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Dave Thomas
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          Yes. Wadia makes it.

          Blair

          On Dec 3, 2009, at 6:39 PM, "Dave Thomas" <dave.thomas@...> wrote:

           

          You can do it but it needs to be converted SPDIF or optical. There are a couple of chips that do that. There may be a dock that does it I seem to recall one.


            From: Blair [blair_4@msn. com]
            Sent: 12/03/2009 06:28 PM CST
            To: "dallasaudioclub@ yahoogroups. com" <dallasaudioclub@ yahoogroups. com>
            Subject: Re: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater


           

          Steve Jobs, and yes there is some sort of decoding to pull the digital stream from what I understand.

          Blair

          On Dec 3, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Paul Stewart <musicman32150@hotmail.com> wrote:

           

          I am sure Bill Gates has done something with the firm ware and/or software. I think theirs is Apple Lossless. If the IPod out puts data during playback, I am no even sure. That would be a good A/B switch for a DAC experiment.



          To: dallasaudioclub@ yahoogroups. com
          From: blair_4@msn. com
          Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:16:54 +0000
          Subject: RE: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater

           
          Hey Paul,
           
          I'm not sure if you can pull binary off the ipod, but I'm fairly certain you cannot unless you gut it and mod it.
           
          Use your PC is you want to do this. If you want tube sound, just use your Akido preamp with your ipod feeding it. Better yet, just build a tube circuit into an old CD player you have laying around. There are plenty of tubes that will run on 50-80v, and the tranny will be small.
           
          Chris has not joined the DAC group.
           
          Blair
           


          To: dallasaudioclub@ yahoogroups. com
          From: musicman32150@hotmail.com
          Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:48:04 -0600
          Subject: RE: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater

           
          I will need two trucks to bring my line arrays.

          Chris is working on a tube DAC. I can't wait til he gets done with it so I can clone it. The wife and I like to listen to her IPod at night (could not sleep listening to mine) and I would like to pull the data+/- off the IPod  and run it through a better DAC, or even my PC WAV files.

          He is close to being finished with it and the CD transport.

          Blair, has he joined this club?

          Paul


          To: dallasaudioclub@ yahoogroups. com
          From: jimrivers3@yahoo. com
          Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:01:00 +0000
          Subject: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater

           
          And I would assume and hope Blair, Paul and David would agree. As far as I'm concerned both audio and video are welcome here. I can't live without my Onkyo receiver and 5.1 sound. But have managed to squeeze an audio tube system in the same room. They share digital switching for Internet Radio, CD and DVD. Since we've entered the new age of cell phones (and the lack of common courtesy), going to a movie and not having cell phones go off (and answered) or the bright lights of texting invade your personal space, I choose to watch movies at home most often. It's really been great. That array of of speakers must sound awsome! jim...




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        • Paul Stewart
          I forgot, it is Steve. Bill gets all the blame and he should. Dave, if you run into the chip, let me know. I will Google the hell out of it this weekend. That
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            I forgot, it is Steve. Bill gets all the blame and he should.

            Dave, if you run into the chip, let me know. I will Google the hell out of it this weekend. That would be nice to add that to my tube preamp, plenty of room.

            Right now I am listening to XMAS music on the line arrays. The wife and I are fighting over how much padding to put on the mid & tweeter, hence the three way switches.

            Paul

            To: dallasaudioclub@yahoogroups.com
            From: dave.thomas@...
            Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:39:05 -0500
            Subject: Re: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater

             

            You can do it but it needs to be converted SPDIF or optical. There are a couple of chips that do that. There may be a dock that does it I seem to recall one.


              From: Blair [blair_4@msn. com]
              Sent: 12/03/2009 06:28 PM CST
              To: "dallasaudioclub@ yahoogroups. com" <dallasaudioclub@ yahoogroups. com>
              Subject: Re: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater


             

            Steve Jobs, and yes there is some sort of decoding to pull the digital stream from what I understand.

            Blair

            On Dec 3, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Paul Stewart <musicman32150@ hotmail.com> wrote:

             
            I am sure Bill Gates has done something with the firm ware and/or software. I think theirs is Apple Lossless. If the IPod out puts data during playback, I am no even sure. That would be a good A/B switch for a DAC experiment.




            To: dallasaudioclub@ yahoogroups. com
            From: blair_4@msn. com
            Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:16:54 +0000
            Subject: RE: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater

             
            Hey Paul,
             
            I'm not sure if you can pull binary off the ipod, but I'm fairly certain you cannot unless you gut it and mod it.
             
            Use your PC is you want to do this. If you want tube sound, just use your Akido preamp with your ipod feeding it. Better yet, just build a tube circuit into an old CD player you have laying around. There are plenty of tubes that will run on 50-80v, and the tranny will be small.
             
            Chris has not joined the DAC group.
             
            Blair
             


            To: dallasaudioclub@ yahoogroups. com
            From: musicman32150@hotmail.com
            Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:48:04 -0600
            Subject: RE: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater

             
            I will need two trucks to bring my line arrays.

            Chris is working on a tube DAC. I can't wait til he gets done with it so I can clone it. The wife and I like to listen to her IPod at night (could not sleep listening to mine) and I would like to pull the data+/- off the IPod  and run it through a better DAC, or even my PC WAV files.

            He is close to being finished with it and the CD transport.

            Blair, has he joined this club?

            Paul


            To: dallasaudioclub@ yahoogroups. com
            From: jimrivers3@yahoo. com
            Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:01:00 +0000
            Subject: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater

             
            And I would assume and hope Blair, Paul and David would agree. As far as I'm concerned both audio and video are welcome here. I can't live without my Onkyo receiver and 5.1 sound. But have managed to squeeze an audio tube system in the same room. They share digital switching for Internet Radio, CD and DVD. Since we've entered the new age of cell phones (and the lack of common courtesy), going to a movie and not having cell phones go off (and answered) or the bright lights of texting invade your personal space, I choose to watch movies at home most often. It's really been great. That array of of speakers must sound awsome! jim...




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          • Dave Thomas
            I am not 100% sure but 99% sure that the effort is futile to DIY it. The IPOD has digital output in order for it to feed a standard DAC you would need to
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              I am not 100% sure but 99% sure that the effort is futile to DIY it. The IPOD has digital output in order for it to feed a standard DAC you would need to convert that to SPDIF. Unfortunately apple encrypts their digital output so unless you buy a license from Apple you are SOL.

              Why use an IPOD when you can put your music on a cheap PC with an appropriate HD and deliver cd quality audio output. You don't need a powerful processor just a good sound card and ample HD space and you have an excellent music server. One of the small laptops would be a good choice just strip all the applications but your music and you are good to go.
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              I forgot, it is Steve. Bill gets all the blame and he should.

              Dave, if you run into the chip, let me know. I will Google the hell out of it this weekend. That would be nice to add that to my tube preamp, plenty of room.

              Right now I am listening to XMAS music on the line arrays. The wife and I are fighting over how much padding to put on the mid & tweeter, hence the three way switches.

              Paul


              To: dallasaudioclub@yahoogroups.com
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              Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:39:05 -0500
              Subject: Re: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater

              You can do it but it needs to be converted SPDIF or optical. There are a couple of chips that do that. There may be a dock that does it I seem to recall one.


              From: Blair [blair_4@...]
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              Steve Jobs, and yes there is some sort of decoding to pull the digital stream from what I understand.

              Blair

              On Dec 3, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Paul Stewart <musicman32150@...> wrote:

                  I am sure Bill Gates has done something with the firm ware and/or software. I think theirs is Apple Lossless. If the IPod out puts data during playback, I am no even sure. That would be a good A/B switch for a DAC experiment.




                  To: dallasaudioclub@yahoogroups.com
                  From: blair_4@...
                  Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:16:54 +0000
                  Subject: RE: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater


                  Hey Paul,

                  I'm not sure if you can pull binary off the ipod, but I'm fairly certain you cannot unless you gut it and mod it.

                  Use your PC is you want to do this. If you want tube sound, just use your Akido preamp with your ipod feeding it. Better yet, just build a tube circuit into an old CD player you have laying around. There are plenty of tubes that will run on 50-80v, and the tranny will be small.

                  Chris has not joined the DAC group.

                  Blair



                  To: dallasaudioclub@yahoogroups.com
                  From: musicman32150@hotmail.com
                  Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:48:04 -0600
                  Subject: RE: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater


                  I will need two trucks to bring my line arrays.

                  Chris is working on a tube DAC. I can't wait til he gets done with it so I can clone it. The wife and I like to listen to her IPod at night (could not sleep listening to mine) and I would like to pull the data+/- off the IPod and run it through a better DAC, or even my PC WAV files.

                  He is close to being finished with it and the CD transport.

                  Blair, has he joined this club?

                  Paul


                  To: dallasaudioclub@yahoogroups.com
                  From: jimrivers3@...
                  Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:01:00 +0000
                  Subject: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater


                  And I would assume and hope Blair, Paul and David would agree. As far as I'm concerned both audio and video are welcome here. I can't live without my Onkyo receiver and 5.1 sound. But have managed to squeeze an audio tube system in the same room. They share digital switching for Internet Radio, CD and DVD. Since we've entered the new age of cell phones (and the lack of common courtesy), going to a movie and not having cell phones go off (and answered) or the bright lights of texting invade your personal space, I choose to watch movies at home most often. It's really been great. That array of of speakers must sound awsome! jim...




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            • Blair
              I ll definitely agree with Dave here Paul. The Wadia sells for around $300 on audiogon, and is much cleaner than any diy effort. Plus, it has othe fuller
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                I'll definitely agree with Dave here Paul. The Wadia sells for around $300 on audiogon, and is much cleaner than any diy effort. Plus, it has othe "fuller" features.

                Blair

                On Dec 4, 2009, at 7:00 PM, "Dave Thomas" <dave.thomas@...> wrote:

                 

                I am not 100% sure but 99% sure that the effort is futile to DIY it. The IPOD has digital output in order for it to feed a standard DAC you would need to convert that to SPDIF. Unfortunately apple encrypts their digital output so unless you buy a license from Apple you are SOL.

                Why use an IPOD when you can put your music on a cheap PC with an appropriate HD and deliver cd quality audio output. You don't need a powerful processor just a good sound card and ample HD space and you have an excellent music server. One of the small laptops would be a good choice just strip all the applications but your music and you are good to go.
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                I forgot, it is Steve. Bill gets all the blame and he should.

                Dave, if you run into the chip, let me know. I will Google the hell out of it this weekend. That would be nice to add that to my tube preamp, plenty of room.

                Right now I am listening to XMAS music on the line arrays. The wife and I are fighting over how much padding to put on the mid & tweeter, hence the three way switches.

                Paul


                To: dallasaudioclub@ yahoogroups. com
                From: dave.thomas@ametek.com
                Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:39:05 -0500
                Subject: Re: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater

                You can do it but it needs to be converted SPDIF or optical. There are a couple of chips that do that. There may be a dock that does it I seem to recall one.


                From: Blair [blair_4@msn. com]
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                Steve Jobs, and yes there is some sort of decoding to pull the digital stream from what I understand.

                Blair

                On Dec 3, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Paul Stewart <musicman32150@ hotmail.com> wrote:

                    I am sure Bill Gates has done something with the firm ware and/or software. I think theirs is Apple Lossless. If the IPod out puts data during playback, I am no even sure. That would be a good A/B switch for a DAC experiment.




                    To: dallasaudioclub@ yahoogroups. com
                    From: blair_4@msn. com
                    Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:16:54 +0000
                    Subject: RE: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater


                    Hey Paul,

                    I'm not sure if you can pull binary off the ipod, but I'm fairly certain you cannot unless you gut it and mod it.

                    Use your PC is you want to do this. If you want tube sound, just use your Akido preamp with your ipod feeding it. Better yet, just build a tube circuit into an old CD player you have laying around. There are plenty of tubes that will run on 50-80v, and the tranny will be small.

                    Chris has not joined the DAC group.

                    Blair



                    To: dallasaudioclub@ yahoogroups. com
                    From: musicman32150@hotmail.com
                    Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:48:04 -0600
                    Subject: RE: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater


                    I will need two trucks to bring my line arrays.

                    Chris is working on a tube DAC. I can't wait til he gets done with it so I can clone it. The wife and I like to listen to her IPod at night (could not sleep listening to mine) and I would like to pull the data+/- off the IPod and run it through a better DAC, or even my PC WAV files.

                    He is close to being finished with it and the CD transport.

                    Blair, has he joined this club?

                    Paul


                    To: dallasaudioclub@ yahoogroups. com
                    From: jimrivers3@yahoo. com
                    Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:01:00 +0000
                    Subject: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater


                    And I would assume and hope Blair, Paul and David would agree. As far as I'm concerned both audio and video are welcome here. I can't live without my Onkyo receiver and 5.1 sound. But have managed to squeeze an audio tube system in the same room. They share digital switching for Internet Radio, CD and DVD. Since we've entered the new age of cell phones (and the lack of common courtesy), going to a movie and not having cell phones go off (and answered) or the bright lights of texting invade your personal space, I choose to watch movies at home most often. It's really been great. That array of of speakers must sound awsome! jim...




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              • Dave Thomas
                http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815293008&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Video+Devices+++TV+Tuners-_-ASUS-_-15293008 You could
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                  You could get the data output feeding the IPOD's internal DAC and attempt to feed it to an external DAC assuming you can transport this signal reliably over a very short piece of CAT5 or something. Coax won't work unless you use multiples. Even then you will need to modify the DAC you want to feed it to accept the direct signal. But the question is why? The IPOD is limited to 192Kbps and won't support lossless formats. So at the end of the day all you have is a limited quality player that has an average life of maybe 2-3yrs. I think if you have the latest gen IPOD you can do lossless formats but they won't be playable on your IPOD as a portable player so you will fill up you IPOD HD with audio that can only be played through another DAC not to mention the fact that you now have a weird cord hanging out of your IPOD. Oh and did I mention you have to solder to a bunch of sub miniature surface mounted ICs... get out the filed down soldering iron and magnifying glasses.

                  There are plenty of digital players out there that are compatible with lossless formats like FLAC they work over LANs so your PC can be a storage device. I think if you google around Sonus (sp) may even have some devices that are portable. The one at the link sells for under $100 has digital outputs if you want to use a better DAC and comes with the all important remote control. Your home PC acts as a server where it can retrieve via a wireless or wired LAN all of your music library. Not sure you could DIY anything even close.


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                  I'll definitely agree with Dave here Paul. The Wadia sells for around $300 on audiogon, and is much cleaner than any diy effort. Plus, it has othe "fuller" features.

                  Blair


                  On Dec 4, 2009, at 7:00 PM, "Dave Thomas" <dave.thomas@...> wrote:

                      I am not 100% sure but 99% sure that the effort is futile to DIY it. The IPOD has digital output in order for it to feed a standard DAC you would need to convert that to SPDIF. Unfortunately apple encrypts their digital output so unless you buy a license from Apple you are SOL.

                      Why use an IPOD when you can put your music on a cheap PC with an appropriate HD and deliver cd quality audio output. You don't need a powerful processor just a good sound card and ample HD space and you have an excellent music server. One of the small laptops would be a good choice just strip all the applications but your music and you are good to go.

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                      I forgot, it is Steve. Bill gets all the blame and he should.

                      Dave, if you run into the chip, let me know. I will Google the hell out of it this weekend. That would be nice to add that to my tube preamp, plenty of room.

                      Right now I am listening to XMAS music on the line arrays. The wife and I are fighting over how much padding to put on the mid & tweeter, hence the three way switches.

                      Paul


                      To: dallasaudioclub@yahoogroups.com
                      From: dave.thomas@ametek.com
                      Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:39:05 -0500
                      Subject: Re: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater

                      You can do it but it needs to be converted SPDIF or optical. There are a couple of chips that do that. There may be a dock that does it I seem to recall one.


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                      Steve Jobs, and yes there is some sort of decoding to pull the digital stream from what I understand.

                      Blair

                      On Dec 3, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Paul Stewart <musicman32150@...> wrote:

                              I am sure Bill Gates has done something with the firm ware and/or software. I think theirs is Apple Lossless. If the IPod out puts data during playback, I am no even sure. That would be a good A/B switch for a DAC experiment.




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                              Hey Paul,

                              I'm not sure if you can pull binary off the ipod, but I'm fairly certain you cannot unless you gut it and mod it.

                              Use your PC is you want to do this. If you want tube sound, just use your Akido preamp with your ipod feeding it. Better yet, just build a tube circuit into an old CD player you have laying around. There are plenty of tubes that will run on 50-80v, and the tranny will be small.

                              Chris has not joined the DAC group.

                              Blair



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                              Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:48:04 -0600
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                              I will need two trucks to bring my line arrays.

                              Chris is working on a tube DAC. I can't wait til he gets done with it so I can clone it. The wife and I like to listen to her IPod at night (could not sleep listening to mine) and I would like to pull the data+/- off the IPod and run it through a better DAC, or even my PC WAV files.

                              He is close to being finished with it and the CD transport.

                              Blair, has he joined this club?

                              Paul


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                              And I would assume and hope Blair, Paul and David would agree. As far as I'm concerned both audio and video are welcome here. I can't live without my Onkyo receiver and 5.1 sound. But have managed to squeeze an audio tube system in the same room. They share digital switching for Internet Radio, CD and DVD. Since we've entered the new age of cell phones (and the lack of common courtesy), going to a movie and not having cell phones go off (and answered) or the bright lights of texting invade your personal space, I choose to watch movies at home most often. It's really been great. That array of of speakers must sound awsome! jim...




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                • Paul Stewart
                  I did see the WADIA (Met for audiophiles) dock for $375.00. I will just have to wait for China to duplicate it for much less. I do have a computer to finish
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                    I did see the WADIA (Met for audiophiles) dock for $375.00. I will just have to wait for China to duplicate it for much less.

                    I do have a computer to finish building just for music. I just need look for some basic software to record all my CDs that will Tag all the info and be compatible with all the formats.

                    There seems to be plenty of USB to optical. I just need to do it!

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                    http://www.newegg. com/Product/ Product.aspx? Item=N82E1681529 3008&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle- _-Video+Devices+ ++TV+Tuners- _-ASUS-_- 15293008

                    You could get the data output feeding the IPOD's internal DAC and attempt to feed it to an external DAC assuming you can transport this signal reliably over a very short piece of CAT5 or something. Coax won't work unless you use multiples. Even then you will need to modify the DAC you want to feed it to accept the direct signal. But the question is why? The IPOD is limited to 192Kbps and won't support lossless formats. So at the end of the day all you have is a limited quality player that has an average life of maybe 2-3yrs. I think if you have the latest gen IPOD you can do lossless formats but they won't be playable on your IPOD as a portable player so you will fill up you IPOD HD with audio that can only be played through another DAC not to mention the fact that you now have a weird cord hanging out of your IPOD. Oh and did I mention you have to solder to a bunch of sub miniature surface mounted ICs... get out the filed down soldering iron and magnifying glasses.

                    There are plenty of digital players out there that are compatible with lossless formats like FLAC they work over LANs so your PC can be a storage device. I think if you google around Sonus (sp) may even have some devices that are portable. The one at the link sells for under $100 has digital outputs if you want to use a better DAC and comes with the all important remote control. Your home PC acts as a server where it can retrieve via a wireless or wired LAN all of your music library. Not sure you could DIY anything even close.


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                    I'll definitely agree with Dave here Paul. The Wadia sells for around $300 on audiogon, and is much cleaner than any diy effort. Plus, it has othe "fuller" features.

                    Blair

                    On Dec 4, 2009, at 7:00 PM, "Dave Thomas" <dave.thomas@ ametek.com> wrote:

                        I am not 100% sure but 99% sure that the effort is futile to DIY it. The IPOD has digital output in order for it to feed a standard DAC you would need to convert that to SPDIF. Unfortunately apple encrypts their digital output so unless you buy a license from Apple you are SOL.

                        Why use an IPOD when you can put your music on a cheap PC with an appropriate HD and deliver cd quality audio output. You don't need a powerful processor just a good sound card and ample HD space and you have an excellent music server. One of the small laptops would be a good choice just strip all the applications but your music and you are good to go.

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                        I forgot, it is Steve. Bill gets all the blame and he should.

                        Dave, if you run into the chip, let me know. I will Google the hell out of it this weekend. That would be nice to add that to my tube preamp, plenty of room.

                        Right now I am listening to XMAS music on the line arrays. The wife and I are fighting over how much padding to put on the mid & tweeter, hence the three way switches.

                        Paul


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                        Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:39:05 -0500
                        Subject: Re: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater
                        You can do it but it needs to be converted SPDIF or optical. There are a couple of chips that do that. There may be a dock that does it I seem to recall one.


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                        Steve Jobs, and yes there is some sort of decoding to pull the digital stream from what I understand.

                        Blair

                        On Dec 3, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Paul Stewart <musicman32150@ hotmail.com> wrote:

                                I am sure Bill Gates has done something with the firm ware and/or software. I think theirs is Apple Lossless. If the IPod out puts data during playback, I am no even sure. That would be a good A/B switch for a DAC experiment.




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                                Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:16:54 +0000
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                                Hey Paul,

                                I'm not sure if you can pull binary off the ipod, but I'm fairly certain you cannot unless you gut it and mod it.

                                Use your PC is you want to do this. If you want tube sound, just use your Akido preamp with your ipod feeding it. Better yet, just build a tube circuit into an old CD player you have laying around. There are plenty of tubes that will run on 50-80v, and the tranny will be small.

                                Chris has not joined the DAC group.

                                Blair



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                                Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:48:04 -0600
                                Subject: RE: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater


                                I will need two trucks to bring my line arrays.

                                Chris is working on a tube DAC. I can't wait til he gets done with it so I can clone it. The wife and I like to listen to her IPod at night (could not sleep listening to mine) and I would like to pull the data+/- off the IPod and run it through a better DAC, or even my PC WAV files.

                                He is close to being finished with it and the CD transport.

                                Blair, has he joined this club?

                                Paul


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                                Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:01:00 +0000
                                Subject: [dallasaudioclub] Audio Includes Home Theater


                                And I would assume and hope Blair, Paul and David would agree. As far as I'm concerned both audio and video are welcome here. I can't live without my Onkyo receiver and 5.1 sound. But have managed to squeeze an audio tube system in the same room. They share digital switching for Internet Radio, CD and DVD. Since we've entered the new age of cell phones (and the lack of common courtesy), going to a movie and not having cell phones go off (and answered) or the bright lights of texting invade your personal space, I choose to watch movies at home most often. It's really been great. That array of of speakers must sound awsome! jim...




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