Henry and Andrius about mindset training and community currency
- View SourceI share my chat with Henry Migingo about the use of community currency
for "mindset training" in nurturing a bottom-up economy. We're
following in the footsteps of Bala Pillai as we consider notions of
"acumen" and how "multiplayer games" foster that. Also, John Rogers and
the WICC team have made us of games to teach community currency.
Henry: Just to say hi!
Andrius: hi :: thank you so much for your very supportive letter
Henry: Which one?
Andrius: in response to mine on business agreements
Henry: Oh! Welcome\ :: I just like the way you framed it
Andrius: I'm glad
Henry: I also like the content. It has great weight :: Pregnant
with facts & great direction
Andrius: yes, ultimately it's about our response, what we do
Henry: If each of us could put our visions as clearly as you did
yours, the world would change faster
Andrius: yes - so we can practice this :: your letters have been
Henry: Sure :: I enjoy writing plain letters. :: I hope to learn
more from you.
Andrius: what are your next thoughts on bottom-up economy :: ?
Henry: I have too many thoughts that need to be consolidated. :: I
am not yet done with "mind set training"
Andrius: Will you be going to Tanzania?
Henry: I believe this is the onset of bottom up economy :: I hope so.
Andrius: Mind set training for bottom up economy?
Henry: Yes :: Do you have a question?
Andrius: No, I just wanted to make sure you're making progress as
you wish. :: I had a thought, though.
Henry: Tell me..
Andrius: In practice, I find it helpful to think of money activity
as various kinds of games. :: These games help with our mindset
training. :: So, for example, our stipends are a kind of game.
Andrius: The work isn't "real" in the sense that it doesn't "have
to" be done.
Andrius: Although the work can be quite useful potentially. :: It's
also important for training the worker :: for their self-traning :: and
for them to practice how to work amongst us.
Henry: oh yes
Andrius: And also the amount of pay is not quite real, either. ::
We keep it small enough so that it can't be taken too seriously. :: Just
a little seriously.
Henry: You'll be suprised
Andrius: So that a person has to look at it as an opportunity which
they can make for themselves. :: So I'm thinking that really what we're
doing with these "games" is mindset training as you say. :: Because the
Western corporate market is like an intensive sporting match :: and so
we can't just introduce people into that :: unless they have had a lot
of mindset training.
Henry: =D> :: That is a pregnant point
Andrius: The reason people make good money is because they operate
with a lot of mindset with regard to each other. :: Especially mindset
self-training :: because we don't have the resources to train them any
other way. :: That is why we play these games.
Henry: Sure :: I agree
Andrius: So it will be interesting what you write because that will
stimulate our thinking.
Henry: Lets take a scenario of the Ogieks :: Where there is no
computers, tvs. electricity etc.. :: I think we can look for "money
games" that work in such cases..
Andrius: yes, good idea!
Henry: Like what my friend Silvano calls the SHE
Andrius: Or, for example, in the US, there is a lot of civic
activity and charity activity.? And people know how to "require" small
fees for attendance. :: Or how to make donations at the door. :: All
kinds of systems. :: But here in Lithuania they don't work yet. ::
Because people refuse to pay. :: They don't understand the "game" aspect
of it. :: That often it's not the money that's relevant - there may be
other ways to get the money. :: What's relevant is the give and take. ::
In the West, the use of money is actually quite sophisticated. Much more
sophisticated then the theory says. :: Money is multi dimensional in the
sense that it is played within in different kinds of games.? There are
different kinds of income streams and outputs. :: Qualitatively very
different although it appears all the same.
Henry: Here, money is killing us.
Andrius: That is why I sometimes feel community currency ideas are
immature in the sense that they set up such a game, but don't understand
that actually the game can be played with real money, too. :: Yes?
Henry: I think there is an aspect of community currency that you
have not understood.
Henry: Community currency does not render money obsolete.. :: It
just complements it :: I see it as a way of incresing liquidity
Andrius: I agree
Henry: Let me explain what I mean by "money is killing us"
Henry: I will talk about the african situation narrowing down to
Kenya.. :: First of all, you know our currency is pegged to the dollar
:: And this has an effect on the actual (liquid) money we can have in
circulation at any given time. :: These liquid money have a way of
finding "themselves" in the hands of the already rich.. :: over 3/4 of
the total currency is in the hands of the rich monority.. :: To help the
liquidity situation, the banks are now massively introducing the use of
debit & credit cards .. :: But still the poor man cannot have these
cards!!! :: The issueing of these cards is also pegged to an individuals
earnings (majorly salary) :: With this in mind, the poor majority, who
have no jobs, are ones again locked out
Henry: Having seen this scenario, we have to think of something
that will easily be accessible to the poor.. :: And this is the
Henry: And this is why we need to print and issue the community
currency and regulate it from the community level :: what do you say?
Andrius: I think you've said that well. My feeling (I may be wrong)
is that it's important for participants to understand community currency
as a game - serious in many ways - but whose purpose is greater than
economic - its first purpose is to help us grow in mindset.
Andrius: This means that we don't always spend the money on
"things" or "services" we need. Instead, we may spend the money on
people in ways that we think encourage them to grow. :: It is a form of
influence on each other. :: Rather than a tool for optimizing our own needs.
Henry: Great point :: I agree with you
Andrius: So you're mindset training is very exciting.
Andrius: It would be interesting to see a relationship between what
aspect of mindset you are training, and what aspect of a game fosters
that. :: In other words, different community currencies, or different
logics for using them, can relate to different mindset trainings.
Andrius: This is similar to the approach I am taking in my paper
"We Learn to Stick Our Necks Out" - I am saying that different
milestones in the growth and unfolding of an independent thinker are
supported by different kinds of web functionality. ::
Henry: I like that
Andrius: So something like that might be the case for the economic
Henry: Ones the mindset is (self) trained, economic stability is in
Andrius: yes :: I will share our chat!
Henry: are we done?
Andrius: And also, I am working on a self-learning program for
independent thinkers. You're mindset training would be great to include
as you develop it. :: Please keep chatting, I will watch what you are
Andrius: It sounds like you're making good progress.
Henry: I am getting good connections too.
Henry: I am just in love with MS [:D] :: After the TZ conference, I
will have alot to put down
Andrius: I'm very happy - you give us all a lot!
Henry: My mind is focussed on Tanzania currently
Andrius: If you can get permission and emails from people to sign
up for our discussions, that is a fantastic help.
Henry: I will chat with you on the documents I need to present
before the d day. :: Will that be okey with you?
Andrius: ok - best is to send something to our Cyfranogi group
Henry: I'll do that
Henry: I want to make it clear that my participation in MS is in my
capacity as an individual and whatever I write do not reflect the views
of OVB or OVF.
Henry: With that in mind, I will think freely.