Re: [tied] Italo-Celtic dialect base words?
- At 5:09:55 AM on Wednesday, February 27, 2013, Tavi wrote:
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "dgkilday57"This may be true for all I know, but it would be instructive
> <dgkilday57@...> wrote:
>>> A similar case would be IE *penkWe- '5' ~ NEC *fimk?wV
>>> 'fist'. If I'm not mistaken, Petr suggested that
>>> Starostin's f should be replaced by X\W or XW.
>> What are the attested words on which this NEC
>> reconstruction is based?
> See here:
>> Can we rigorously exclude a borrowing from Gothic?
(and possibly amusing) to see what you consider a rigorous
demonstration that borrowing from Gothic is excluded.
- --- In email@example.com, "Tavi" <oalexandre@...> wrote:
>not mistaken, Petr suggested that Starostin's f should be replaced by
> A similar case would be IE *penkWe- '5' ~ NEC *fimk?wV 'fist'. If I'm
X\W or XW.
> > What are the attested words on which this NEC reconstruction is
> See here:
>correspondences for this lexeme are regular. That does not exclude
> > Very interesting. The phoneme *f is relatively rare, and the
borrowing from an IE source after the breakup of Proto-NEC.
>only appears in a *derivated form* found in Germanic, Slavic and Baltic
> I strongly disagree. The NEC word means 'fist', a meaning which in IE
(the latter with initial k-), while the bare lexeme shifted to '5' at an
early date, probably in the Neolithic as other numerals. So in my
opinion this would be another case where a word from a language ancestor
to IE is preserved in NEC.
>The cases of IE 'bear' and Germanic 'horse' would also fall in this
Unlike Starostin and Bengtson, I don't think all the proto-NEC lexicon
is from Vasco-Caucasian (aka Sino-Caucasian), as apparently there's a
significant portion whose origin is Eurasiatic (aka Nostratic). Also
Yeniseian seems to be in a similar (or even worse) position, being a
geographical outlayer. As a rule of thumb, I consider a root to be VC if
it's attested in at least two of the following families: NEC, Burushaski