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  • stlatos
    ... That range of meanings seems to fit best w: kaçi:ká:- (f) = young weasel RV S; akHis -i- = weasel Ar; etc. rel. to (probl.): ka:kom ka:kum = stoat MP;
    Message 1 of 17 , Feb 21, 2013
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      --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <sean@...> wrote:
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      > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, johnvertical@ wrote:
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      > > Background: I've been exploring some evidence for a possible unknown Uralic substrate in Finnic. One feature of this hypothetical substrate would be *w > pp after a liquid, e.g. _kärppä_ "stoat" vs. PU *käDwä "weasel".

      > The ev. here:
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      > http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/query.cgi?root=config&morpho=0&basename=\data\uralic\uralet
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      > isn't for
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      > *käDwä "weasel"
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      > but
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      > *kaDwa "female (of small fur animals)"
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      > Saam (Lapp): gaDfe (N) 'mustela erminea femina'
      > Mari (Cheremis): kol'á 'mouse'
      > Khanty (Ostyak): köjëN
      > Mansi (Vogul): kal'
      > Hungarian: hölgy 'Dame; (altung.) Braut, Liebste; Hermelin'
      > etc.


      That range of meanings seems to fit best w:

      kaçi:ká:- (f) = young weasel RV S; akHis -i- = weasel Ar;
      etc.

      rel. to (probl.):

      ka:kom \ ka:kum = stoat MP; ? >> qa:qum Tk; ? >> kHakHum \ kngum Ar;

      w kHakHum apparently < * kHakYH(y)um w assim. to either both k or kY (shown by some modern forms like c^'ässEum ), but a direct rel. isn't clear.
    • stlatos
      ... Sim., kHakHum kngum apparently ë / , etc.).
      Message 2 of 17 , Feb 22, 2013
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        --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <sean@...> wrote:
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        > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <sean@> wrote:

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        > That range of meanings seems to fit best w:
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        > kaçi:ká:- (f) = young weasel RV S; akHis -i- = weasel Ar;
        > etc.
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        > rel. to (probl.):
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        > ka:kom \ ka:kum = stoat MP; ? >> qa:qum Tk; ? >> kHakHum \ kngum Ar;
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        > w kHakHum apparently < * kHakYH(y)um w assim. to either both k or kY (shown by some modern forms like c^'ässEum ), but a direct rel. isn't clear.
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        Sim., kHakHum \ kngum apparently < opt. assim. to kHakHum \ * kHumkHum early (before u>ë / , etc.).
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