Re: [tied] potto
- --- In email@example.com, Rick McCallister wrote:
> Agreed, in much of Latin America, is an assibilated alveo-palatal
> affricate, pronounced sort of like /chr/ as in "chres" and
> > Actually, this is the so-called "assibilated r" found in some
> > varieties (including Peninsular ones) in the groups /tr, dr/ andvoiced
> > described in Zamora Munné & Guitart (1988): "Dialectología
> > Hispanoamericana", who quote
> > Oroz (1966): "La lengua castellana en Chile". Apparently, it's a
> > fricative quite similar to Polish /z´/, also with a voicelessvariant /s´/.
>where it predominates in Latin America correspond to settlement from
> Where is it spoken in Spain? In Aragón, Rioja or Navarra? The areas
eastern and northeastern Spain
>Yes, that's right, it's found on Rioja and Navarra and probably also in
neighbouring Aragonese areas. Hardly a native feature of Basque as
proposed by our colleague slatos.
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "stlatos" wrote:not
> In "*prisipu > trisipu > *drisipu > lizifru", what are the stages in
> regard to metathesis? Since dr > lr > l-r is impossible or "highly
> unlikely" to you, why did metathesis take place? You first said all
> these were << pesebre, so did you first think it was p-r- > pr-0-
> > Since the Latin form has pr-, lizifru could actually derive from a
> > methatesized form *pisipru akin to Spanish pesebre < *pesepre <
> > *presepe.
> > I know ONE is methatesized (which depends on when/where borrowed),
> > but that's the only dif. in env.; they're not from 2 kinds of Bq.
> > I don't like abbr., you know, but lizifru is structurally (although
> > phonetically) identical to Spanish pesebre (metathesized), whiletrisipu
> > is akin to Aragonese presepe (non-metathesized). So the latter looksWhich is more conservative than Hispano-Romance. It took me some time,
> > like a rather undigested loanword from Pyrenaic Romance.
but finally I've got it straight: *pris´ipu > *pis´ipru >
*Bis´ipru > lisiFru /lizifru/. There's no intermediate dental here,
nor in the other cases where p-/b-/m- > *B- > l-.