Re: [tied] Re: Basque onddo
- This can be a general trend (although postalveo-palatal affricates are
particularly rare and difficult in children's speech), but still can't
predict why precisely onddo
2012/11/3, Tavi <oalexandre@...>:
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Richard Wordingham"
> <richard.wordingham@...> wrote:
>> > Actually, this is a *sound law* by which some consonants, e.g. /t,
>> > ts/ get into the corresponding palatals /c, tS/. At the same time, I
>> > warned you against the confusion with other types of palatalization
>> > in Romance.
>> > > How is this Sound Law predictable?
>> > You can see its "victims" are velar stops.
>> This makes no sense. Are the 'victims' the starting point or the
> Sorry, I'd have said "targets" instead.
>> Also, you seem to be saying that the sound law applies if it applies.
> Would you care to rephrase this coherently?
> 1) In Basque (as well as in fossilized words or idiosyncratic speech in
> Iberian Romances), there's a kind of expressive palatalization by which
> coronal consonants become their corresponding palatals, as if mimicking
> children's language. "Expressive" means it carries some kind of
> affective or diminutive connotation.
> 2) Velar stops can also suffer a similar palatalization, although in
> most cases it can't be considered to be expressive. Quite often the
> outcome is depalatalized, thus becoming a dental consonant.
- ---In email@example.com, <octavianoaf24@...> wrote :
>From a statistical point of view, *sreu-m- can be found in Balto-Slavic, Albanian, Greek, Celtic and Germanic, while *reuH-m- is only found in Germanic. This would imply the former etymology is preferrable, although the loss of *s- should be still accounted for.>I meant "a purely statistical" and "seems preferrable".