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Re: [tied] Re: ants was barb

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  • Rick McCallister
    In Spanish it sure as shiznatz does --compare invierno and invernal, which points to an original /E/ in Vulgar Latin rather than /e/
    Message 1 of 41 , Oct 6, 2012
      In Spanish it sure as shiznatz does --compare invierno and invernal, which points to an original /E/ in Vulgar Latin rather than /e/


      From: stlatos <sean@...>
      To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 7:11 PM
      Subject: [tied] Re: ants was barb

       


      --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:
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      > The vowel difference between verano and invierno is due to stress, Spanish /ie/ Portuguese /E/ only occur in stressed syllables
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      Wrong. Both ve:r and ve:rnus had long e: ( > e not > E in VL), so stress would never change the vowel.

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      > From: stlatos <sean@...>
      > To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 9:09 PM
      > Subject: [tied] Re: ants was barb

      > It's likely *verno and *ivErno were made more distinct, possibly seen as antonyms w 0- vs in-, after -b- > -B-, or whatever the stage was after w- > v-, etc.
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    • stlatos
      ... That is only a problem if you refuse to believe in irregular dissimilation.
      Message 41 of 41 , Oct 9, 2012
        --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" <dgkilday57@...> wrote:
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        > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <sean@> wrote:
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        > > [...]
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        > > Only ridiculous acrobatics can attempt to move around the clearly irreg. nature of related changes such as:
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        > > m>n-f in:
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        > > [temafra:i] tenebrae (f p tan) = darkness L; támisra:s V S; trAms^á = twilight Kv; demar = twilight OHG;
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        > The popular view that Latin <tenebrae> arose by labial dissimilation from expected *temebrae cannot be justified by other examples. If such dissimilation actually occurred, it should have affected <bimembris>, where the heavier cluster -mbr- would have an even greater dissimilative force than -br-. But no such *binembris is found.
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        That is only a problem if you refuse to believe in irregular dissimilation.
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