[tied] Re: Morimarusa
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...> wrote:
>Delamarre objects to this that *wºlkW-o- should have given Old Irish **flech and Gaulish **ulipos, so he links the Irish word to the ethnonym Uolcos 'falcon', which he relates to Latin falco: < *g^wol-k- (traditional *g^h), from a root *g^wel- 'to curve'.
> > On the other hand a Celtic loanword is also formally
> > possible, since we have Old Irish <olc> 'evil'; something
> > like *mori-ulk- might literally have meant 'Seeteufel'.
> > How plausible this is as a loanword under these
> > circumstances, I cannot say.
> Matasovic derives OIr. <olc> from PCelt. *ulkWo- 'bad,
> evil', from PIE *wlkWo- 'wolf'. He notes a Lepontic PN
> <Ulkos>. He adds a note:
> The meaning of this word in PCelt. could have been 'wolf',
> as in PIE. Another etymology, less persuasive in my
> opinion, relates OIr. <olc> to Lat. <ulciscor> 'take
> His references for this entry: LEIA O-19f., LP 43, De
> Bernardo Stempel 1999: 553, McCone 1985, McCone 1996: 44.
- --- In email@example.com, "Richard Wordingham"
> > Delamarre objects to this that *wºlkW-o- should have given Old
> > **flech and Gaulish **ulipos, so he links the Irish word to theethnonym
> > Uolcos 'falcon', which he relates to Latin falco: < *g^wol-k-(preferably in its ASCII or Latin-1 form), modified only where you think
> > (traditional *g^h), from a root *g^wel- 'to curve'.
> In the interests of clarity, please use the standard spelling
it misidentifies the correspondences of the sounds or phonemes involved.
If you need to make a point about what you think the actual
pronunciation was, use square brackets (). (I am speaking as a
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>I don't think this is a matter of transcription/encoding as much as of
the actual choice of the reconstructed phonemes. For reasons I stated
before, I think classical "voiced aspirated" stops (series III) were
actually *plain* voiced, so there's no point in perpetuating their
corresponding symbols. IMHO, there're two possible choices for the PIE
stop system, depending on if one includes glottalics or not:
series I - voiceless (phonologically aspirated) / voiceless aspirated
series II - glottalic / (unaspirated) voiceless
series III - voiced
The first system is the one reconstructed for Proto-Kartvelian and the
second one for Proto-Altaic. The latter has the advantage as being more
flexible as regarding the outcome of earlier glottalics, variable among