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  • Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
    And of course Your theory predicts that the Gaulish invaders have been so careful to retain from Ligurian just those terms whose /ar/ was from PIE syllabic
    Message 1 of 248 , May 3, 2012
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      And of course Your theory predicts that the Gaulish invaders have
      been so careful to retain from Ligurian just those terms whose /ar/
      was from PIE syllabic */r/ before stop (while all other place-names
      [200] are plainly Celtic) and to let them arrive to Ireland just in
      time for a registration in the Auraicept na n-éces...
      If You really think that all these surely plausible but surely ad
      hoc conjectures are better than a straightforward Celtic
      Lautgesetzlichkeit, please continue, so that all Members will judge by
      themselves who is right

      2012/5/4, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...>:
      > You say it. Take care
      >
      > 2012/5/4, dgkilday57 <dgkilday57@...>:
      >>
      >>
      >> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
      >> <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...> wrote:
      >>>
      >>> Sorry, my fault (false friend: I have taken it from DIL, but with
      >>> German Mädchen in mind, so I've been deceived by ingen 'Mädchen' =
      >>> maiden in backtranslation).
      >>> But nevertheless: bairt 'girl' : Gothic barn 'child' (I was about
      >>> to write 'kind'!...), once attested (+ bairte), we're linguists, not
      >>> lawyers ("testis unus testis nullus"), so why doubtful? The Auraicept
      >>> na n-éces are after all a trustworthy source. Whence otherwise
      >>> Continental Celtic *Bartia:kon > Barzâgh / Barzago (Lecch / Lecco
      >>> [Lombardy])?
      >>
      >> Whence otherwise? From Ligurian, of course, with a secondary ending from
      >> Gaulish superstrate. To wit, PIE *bHr.ti'- 'act of bearing' (Skt.
      >> <bhr.ti's.>, Av. <-b@r@tis^>, Lat. <fors> 'luck, chance', OE <ge-byrd>
      >> 'birth', etc.) regularly yields Lig. *bartis 'inflow, inlet, site of
      >> importation' vel sim., cognate with Celt. *britis 'carrying, judgment'
      >> (OIr
      >> <brith>, etc.). Retained as a local term by the Gaulish invaders,
      >> *bartis
      >> becomes the base of *Bartia:kon 'town near the inlet' vel sim. Much
      >> better
      >> than trying to explain it as pure Celtic.
      >>
      >> DGK
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >
    • Tavi
      ... This is from IE *kWer- to make, to build Sanskrit karóti, imp. kuru, kºrn.óti- to do, to make . In some IE languages, this lexeme refers to magic,
      Message 248 of 248 , Apr 22, 2013
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        --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Tavi" wrote:
        >
        > The verb kal-ite is obviously from IE *kelH- 'to raise', but kar-ite
        > must be a loanword from Etruscan car- 'to make' (cfr. car-u 'made').
        >
        This is from IE *kWer- 'to make, to build' > Sanskrit karóti, imp.
        kuru, kºrn.óti- 'to do, to make'. In some IE languages, this
        lexeme refers to magic, as in Celtic *kWritu- 'magical transformation,
        shape'.

        This is also the origin of Cisalpine Gaulish karnitu 'he built' (Todi),
        wrongly linked to Celtic *karno- 'heap of stones' by specialists.
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