Re: [tied] Ligurian
- And of course Your theory predicts that the Gaulish invaders have
been so careful to retain from Ligurian just those terms whose /ar/
was from PIE syllabic */r/ before stop (while all other place-names
 are plainly Celtic) and to let them arrive to Ireland just in
time for a registration in the Auraicept na n-éces...
If You really think that all these surely plausible but surely ad
hoc conjectures are better than a straightforward Celtic
Lautgesetzlichkeit, please continue, so that all Members will judge by
themselves who is right
2012/5/4, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...>:
> You say it. Take care
> 2012/5/4, dgkilday57 <dgkilday57@...>:
>> --- In email@example.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
>> <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...> wrote:
>>> Sorry, my fault (false friend: I have taken it from DIL, but with
>>> German MÃ¤dchen in mind, so I've been deceived by ingen 'MÃ¤dchen' =
>>> maiden in backtranslation).
>>> But nevertheless: bairt 'girl' : Gothic barn 'child' (I was about
>>> to write 'kind'!...), once attested (+ bairte), we're linguists, not
>>> lawyers ("testis unus testis nullus"), so why doubtful? The Auraicept
>>> na n-Ã©ces are after all a trustworthy source. Whence otherwise
>>> Continental Celtic *Bartia:kon > BarzÃ¢gh / Barzago (Lecch / Lecco
>> Whence otherwise? From Ligurian, of course, with a secondary ending from
>> Gaulish superstrate. To wit, PIE *bHr.ti'- 'act of bearing' (Skt.
>> <bhr.ti's.>, Av. <-b@r@tis^>, Lat. <fors> 'luck, chance', OE <ge-byrd>
>> 'birth', etc.) regularly yields Lig. *bartis 'inflow, inlet, site of
>> importation' vel sim., cognate with Celt. *britis 'carrying, judgment'
>> <brith>, etc.). Retained as a local term by the Gaulish invaders,
>> becomes the base of *Bartia:kon 'town near the inlet' vel sim. Much
>> than trying to explain it as pure Celtic.
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Tavi" wrote:
>This is from IE *kWer- 'to make, to build' > Sanskrit karÃ³ti, imp.
> The verb kal-ite is obviously from IE *kelH- 'to raise', but kar-ite
> must be a loanword from Etruscan car- 'to make' (cfr. car-u 'made').
kuru, kÂºrn.Ã³ti- 'to do, to make'. In some IE languages, this
lexeme refers to magic, as in Celtic *kWritu- 'magical transformation,
This is also the origin of Cisalpine Gaulish karnitu 'he built' (Todi),
wrongly linked to Celtic *karno- 'heap of stones' by specialists.