Re: [tied] Octha or Ohta?
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:
>In PIE Ce-C = past; * vóyd.xa = I have seen > I know, * vevóyd.xa = I had seen > I knew. PIE had multiple tenses for perfect, imperfect, aorist, etc., most of which were lost in recorded IE; multiple retentions could be reclassified according to best fit if their category was lost (like vac- ávocam (aor) Skt;), the pluperfect > perfect for most, w some common retentions w/o the past-reduplication.
> W dniu 2012-01-31 21:39, dgkilday57 pisze:
> > But the other preteritive presents show no reduplication, and this
> > appears to be a conserved archaism, since OE <wa:t> corresponds to Lat.
> > <vi:di:>, Grk. <oida>, Skt. <veda>, all without reduplication.
> Well, unreduplicated (or dereduplicated) *woid-/*wid- is exceptional
> already at the PIE level.
- --- In email@example.com, "dgkilday57" <dgkilday57@...> wrote:
>I don't see any need for it to be old. It's prob. a new analogical word in Latin or late PIt.
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@> wrote:
> > W dniu 2012-02-08 19:19, stlatos pisze:
> > > Gmc.
> > > *xaizda- = hair
> > > vs.
> > > *xaizda- = flax fiber / etc.
> > >
> > > Exactly the same meaning range, but *kays- differs from *kas- in having
> > > an entire phoneme added WITHIN the word, not just a possible k vs kY
> > > (considering all the apparently irregular changes among them in families
> > > that differentiate them).
> > Except that the Gmc. word is actually *xazDa-/*xezDa(n)- in both
> > meanings (ON haddr 'long hair', OE pl. heordan 'hards of flax', etc.).
> > Cf. *xe:ra- 'hair', which in my opinion reflects *kes-ró-:
> > http://hdl.handle.net/10593/1990
> According to Buck (OUG sec. 118), the change *sr > *fr (whence Latin fr-, -br- as in <fri:gus>, <fu:nebris>, etc.) "belongs doubtless to the Italic period". This makes it difficult to derive Lat. <vernus> from a protoform *wesri-no-. One would expect *wesrino- > Proto-Italic *wefrino- > Proto-Latin *webrino- > *webr.no- > *weberno- > Lat. *vebernus.
> I propose instead that Proto-Italic, like Proto-Slavic, had *wesni-no- 'springy' formed as a deadverbial adjective from the inherited loc. sg. *wesni 'in spring'.