Re : [tied] Re: Morimarusa
>I can't assess the veracity of the story without knowing what the source of it says. The reference you provided doesn't give any, so I assume from the remarks on the discussion page that it's Simon Grunau. On the other hand, if it is a native tradition in Balticum, someone must have been the first to record it. Who? Unfortunately, since those medieval chroniclers are assumed a priori to tell only falsehoods, their chronicles are considered irrelevant and difficult to get access to. So unless I can get access to those original texts, I'll have to disregard the information on that Wikipedia page.
> --- In email@example.com, "Torsten" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
> > --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "segijus" <segijus@> wrote:
> > >
> > > There is written in
> > > http://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balt%C5%B3_religin%C4%97s_reformos
> > > that Cimbri lived in Gotland before Goths had come there.
> > > Cimbri went to Semba then and have created Prussian nation
> > > there.
> > I haven't heard that legend before, but it seems from the
> > discussion page
> > http://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptarimas:Balt%C5%B3_religin%C4%97s_reformos
> > that the story is from Simon Grunau
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Grunau
> > who might have gotten story from Erasmus Stella
> > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasmus_Stella. FWIW.
> It can be that Pamare Balts, who escaped from Goths into Semba,
> have created this legend.
> Did they call themselves Cimbri?No idea. You tell me.
- --- In email@example.com, "Richard Wordingham"
> > Delamarre objects to this that *wºlkW-o- should have given Old
> > **flech and Gaulish **ulipos, so he links the Irish word to theethnonym
> > Uolcos 'falcon', which he relates to Latin falco: < *g^wol-k-(preferably in its ASCII or Latin-1 form), modified only where you think
> > (traditional *g^h), from a root *g^wel- 'to curve'.
> In the interests of clarity, please use the standard spelling
it misidentifies the correspondences of the sounds or phonemes involved.
If you need to make a point about what you think the actual
pronunciation was, use square brackets (). (I am speaking as a
member, not a moderator.)
>I don't think this is a matter of transcription/encoding as much as of
the actual choice of the reconstructed phonemes. For reasons I stated
before, I think classical "voiced aspirated" stops (series III) were
actually *plain* voiced, so there's no point in perpetuating their
corresponding symbols. IMHO, there're two possible choices for the PIE
stop system, depending on if one includes glottalics or not:
series I - voiceless (phonologically aspirated) / voiceless aspirated
series II - glottalic / (unaspirated) voiceless
series III - voiced
The first system is the one reconstructed for Proto-Kartvelian and the
second one for Proto-Altaic. The latter has the advantage as being more
flexible as regarding the outcome of earlier glottalics, variable among