Re: Laryngeals Indo-Uralic
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "bmscotttg" <BMScott@...> wrote:
>'Contains', you mean. Okay; of course. I was thinking, for some reason, of open and closed *syllable*. Sorry. But, still, *jen,-/*in,- is a regular IE ablaut alternation.
> --- In email@example.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
> > --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "caotope" <johnvertical@> wrote:
> >>>>>> (The correspondence is also non-trivial so the point of
> >>>>>> divergence needs to be pre-PU or pre-PIE anyway.)
> >>>>> I don't understand the last sentence.
> >>>> Uralic *ä and IE *ei/*i: cannot be loaned from a common form.
> >>> *jän,- and *in,- can.
> >> No. One is glide+open vowel, the other a close vowel.
> > Which one is glide plus open vowel and which one is a close
> > vowel?
> Obviously *jän,- is glide plus open vowel and *in,- is a close
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